Digital Rebel and 10D side by side

[Lenaolsen]

I am trying to decide between getting the EOS 10D and the new Digital Rebel. I have seen this comparison http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/CanonRebelDvs10D.shtml , and wonder if the Digital Rebel is not the way to go.

Although I am a very active photographer, and like to do a lot of travel photography I don't know if the extra construction is that important? I tend to be fairly careful with my camera equipment. The main features of these two cameras look very similar. And according to Phil the image quality from the Rebel is very good.

Just figure for the difference in price I can get a new additional lens like the 75-300mm. I used to have a Canon A1 35mm SLR system.

Is there anything else that I should really consider before I make my decision? Any advice to a new beginner in digital photography is gratefully appreciated.

Thanks,

Lena Olsen

 

[Art Rosch]

I am trying to decide between getting the EOS 10D and the new
Digital Rebel. I have seen this comparison
http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/CanonRebelDvs10D.shtml , and wonder
if the Digital Rebel is not the way to go.

Although I am a very active photographer, and like to do a lot of
travel photography I don't know if the extra construction is that
important? I tend to be fairly careful with my camera equipment.
The main features of these two cameras look very similar. And
according to Phil the image quality from the Rebel is very good.

Just figure for the difference in price I can get a new additional
lens like the 75-300mm. I used to have a Canon A1 35mm SLR system.

Is there anything else that I should really consider before I make
my decision? Any advice to a new beginner in digital photography is
gratefully appreciated.

Thanks,

Lena Olsen

Lena, I have the 10D and adore it, but if I were in your position, I might
get the Rebel and spend more money on lens or lenses, because that's
where your investment really pays off long term. The bodies are
going to change over the years. You keep your lenses.

art

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Art

 

[Art Rosch]

I am trying to decide between getting the EOS 10D and the new
Digital Rebel. I have seen this comparison
http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/CanonRebelDvs10D.shtml , and wonder
if the Digital Rebel is not the way to go.

Although I am a very active photographer, and like to do a lot of
travel photography I don't know if the extra construction is that
important? I tend to be fairly careful with my camera equipment.
The main features of these two cameras look very similar. And
according to Phil the image quality from the Rebel is very good.

Just figure for the difference in price I can get a new additional
lens like the 75-300mm. I used to have a Canon A1 35mm SLR system.

Is there anything else that I should really consider before I make
my decision? Any advice to a new beginner in digital photography is
gratefully appreciated.

Thanks,

Lena Olsen

Lena, I have the 10D and adore it, but if I were in your position,
I might
get the Rebel and spend more money on lens or lenses, because that's
where your investment really pays off long term. The bodies are
going to change over the years. You keep your lenses.

art

http://www.artsdigitalphoto.com
Art

I must add this: squish your money and go for a 70-200 f/4 or
a used 80-200L 2.8. the cameras really respond to the quality glass.
think long term. worth another hundred or two over the 75-300,
believe me.

art
Art

 

[RichW]

with the AI Focus that you can't change and the exposure mode that you have little control over. I know I would. But if you have to decide between the 10D and a good lens, I would get the good lens. Cameras come and go, but the lens will last for years.

Rich

I am trying to decide between getting the EOS 10D and the new
Digital Rebel. I have seen this comparison
http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/CanonRebelDvs10D.shtml , and wonder
if the Digital Rebel is not the way to go.

Although I am a very active photographer, and like to do a lot of
travel photography I don't know if the extra construction is that
important? I tend to be fairly careful with my camera equipment.
The main features of these two cameras look very similar. And
according to Phil the image quality from the Rebel is very good.

Just figure for the difference in price I can get a new additional
lens like the 75-300mm. I used to have a Canon A1 35mm SLR system.

Is there anything else that I should really consider before I make
my decision? Any advice to a new beginner in digital photography is
gratefully appreciated.

Thanks,

Lena Olsen

 

[ImaShooter]

There are errors in that sie-by-side. There is no flash control at all on the Digital Rebel, such as no 1st or 2nd curtain sync and NO Flash exposure comp. The lack of FEC alone is enough to kill the camera. Go read the D300 forum. You'll see. Of course, do some searching here and you'll see several members with AF issues on the 10D. It may be more than a few bad cameras, but Canon will NEVER issue a recall and admit a problem, EVER.

My 10D is sharp as an arrow, but I'm told I one of the lucky few. Hum, not sure and there's been plenty of debate...

I am trying to decide between getting the EOS 10D and the new
Digital Rebel. I have seen this comparison
http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/CanonRebelDvs10D.shtml , and wonder
if the Digital Rebel is not the way to go.

Although I am a very active photographer, and like to do a lot of
travel photography I don't know if the extra construction is that
important? I tend to be fairly careful with my camera equipment.
The main features of these two cameras look very similar. And
according to Phil the image quality from the Rebel is very good.

Just figure for the difference in price I can get a new additional
lens like the 75-300mm. I used to have a Canon A1 35mm SLR system.

Is there anything else that I should really consider before I make
my decision? Any advice to a new beginner in digital photography is
gratefully appreciated.

Thanks,

Lena Olsen

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[Alan Rew]

Another, perhaps more authoritative, article comparing these cameras can be found here:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-6270-6325

FWIW, a friend of mine here in the UK recently bought a 300D (aka Rebel) and the new Canon EF 17-40 f/4 L lens and the picture quality of this combination is superb. Insofar as digital cameras (but not lenses, so far!) are out of date within a year you may wish to do the same.

I ordered my 10D 3 months ago, before the 300D was announced, and decided to stick with it as (a) I'd already been in a queue for so long (b) it's more robust and (c) has more features. Previously I've used a Canon EOS 50E (aka Elan IIe) and the features are very similar, which means I feel at home with the 10D. BTW I've had no focusing problems with my 10D yet ;-)

HTH

Alan

I am trying to decide between getting the EOS 10D and the new
Digital Rebel. I have seen this comparison
http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/CanonRebelDvs10D.shtml , and wonder
if the Digital Rebel is not the way to go.

Although I am a very active photographer, and like to do a lot of
travel photography I don't know if the extra construction is that
important? I tend to be fairly careful with my camera equipment.
The main features of these two cameras look very similar. And
according to Phil the image quality from the Rebel is very good.

Just figure for the difference in price I can get a new additional
lens like the 75-300mm. I used to have a Canon A1 35mm SLR system.

Is there anything else that I should really consider before I make
my decision? Any advice to a new beginner in digital photography is
gratefully appreciated.

Thanks,

Lena Olsen

 

[Juli Valley]

Did you read Phil's side by side comparison here? Get the 10D if you can afford it.

 

[SJN2004]

The flash head is not as high on the 10D, therefore when you are using a wide angle with a lens hood in place you get a shadow formed in the picture.

I am trying to decide between getting the EOS 10D and the new
Digital Rebel. I have seen this comparison
http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/CanonRebelDvs10D.shtml , and wonder
if the Digital Rebel is not the way to go.

Although I am a very active photographer, and like to do a lot of
travel photography I don't know if the extra construction is that
important? I tend to be fairly careful with my camera equipment.
The main features of these two cameras look very similar. And
according to Phil the image quality from the Rebel is very good.

Just figure for the difference in price I can get a new additional
lens like the 75-300mm. I used to have a Canon A1 35mm SLR system.

Is there anything else that I should really consider before I make
my decision? Any advice to a new beginner in digital photography is
gratefully appreciated.

Thanks,

Lena Olsen

--
http://www.pbase.com/sjn2003

 

[David Martin]

I am trying to decide between getting the EOS 10D and the new
Digital Rebel. I have seen this comparison
http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/CanonRebelDvs10D.shtml , and wonder
if the Digital Rebel is not the way to go.

Although I am a very active photographer, and like to do a lot of
travel photography I don't know if the extra construction is that
important? I tend to be fairly careful with my camera equipment.
The main features of these two cameras look very similar. And
according to Phil the image quality from the Rebel is very good.

Just figure for the difference in price I can get a new additional
lens like the 75-300mm. I used to have a Canon A1 35mm SLR system.

Is there anything else that I should really consider before I make
my decision? Any advice to a new beginner in digital photography is
gratefully appreciated.

Thanks,

Lena Olsen

I would go for the 300D and put the extras money into lenses if you can live with a few limitations:

The 300D is less suitable for sports - this is due to both it's lower burst and more importantly to it's limitations in selecting servo mode or single shot- unless you go to sports mode when you are stuck at ISO400. I have tried

my 10D fixed in A1 focus and it usually gets it right, but I wouldn't fancy using the 300D for a lot of sports shots if that's your usual work.

The lack of mirror lock-up can also affect people who use it for long exposures, so the camera may not be suitable for this if you do a lot of it.

For flash you really have to buy the more expensive 550 or you can't fully control exposure. However I believe Sunpak have just bought out a less expensive alternative.
The body is also plastic,but I doubt it is any less robust for that.

You can swap between metering modes for partial and centre-weighted form the default evaluative without too much trouble, I understand.

If you can live with these things I'd get the 300D with kit lens. You get a lot of bang for your buck.
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[Lenaolsen]

Thanks for all the advice.

I ended up buying the Digital Rebel today, however, I decided to upgrade to the Canon 17-40mm lens. Also purchased the 75-300mm USM lens.

I did not like the feel of the 18-35mm kit lens (very plastic). I also do a fair amount of enlargements and feel the investment in the better glass will pay off in the end.

As far as the features of the body are concerned, I think the capabilities of the Digital Rebel will meet my personal requirements.

Looking forward to trying out my new toy this coming weekend.

Thanks again.

Greetings,

Lena

 

[Jim Lewis]

Lena:

Also purchased the 75-300mm USM lens.

If you have not yet picked up this lens, I'd do some shopping around. I bought this for my Elan IIE a few years ago and have never been happy with it. It is the current weak link in my lens system and will probably be the next thing I replace.

With the 10D (or Rebel), I would go with a bit less zoom for a sharper image and get a prime for really long work.

Just one man's opinion.

--
Jim Lewis

 

[Khanh M]

Buy the BEST that you can afford at the moment...you'll end up kicking yourself later for not doing so =)

my .02

Khanh

I am trying to decide between getting the EOS 10D and the new
Digital Rebel. I have seen this comparison
http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/CanonRebelDvs10D.shtml , and wonder
if the Digital Rebel is not the way to go.

Although I am a very active photographer, and like to do a lot of
travel photography I don't know if the extra construction is that
important? I tend to be fairly careful with my camera equipment.
The main features of these two cameras look very similar. And
according to Phil the image quality from the Rebel is very good.

Just figure for the difference in price I can get a new additional
lens like the 75-300mm. I used to have a Canon A1 35mm SLR system.

Is there anything else that I should really consider before I make
my decision? Any advice to a new beginner in digital photography is
gratefully appreciated.

Thanks,

Lena Olsen

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My 'Stuff': http://khanhmai.com/favorites/temp_web.html

Regards,
Khanh M

 

[Jim Lewis]

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=6392878
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[Anders Molin]

My 10D is sharp as an arrow, but I'm told I one of the lucky few.
Hum, not sure and there's been plenty of debate...

So is mine, and as far as I know, most of all 10D's is also sharp. But it's always the people with trouble that makes the most noice, all those where it just works is mostly quiet.

 

[Radu Tenenbaum]

The review states that the Rebel has no Flash Exposure Compensation for the internal flash. Turns out that it also has no FEC for external flashes either. This can be mitigated by using a high end flash, such as the EX550, that has its own FEC capability.

Radu

I am trying to decide between getting the EOS 10D and the new
Digital Rebel. I have seen this comparison
http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/CanonRebelDvs10D.shtml , and wonder
if the Digital Rebel is not the way to go.

Although I am a very active photographer, and like to do a lot of
travel photography I don't know if the extra construction is that
important? I tend to be fairly careful with my camera equipment.
The main features of these two cameras look very similar. And
according to Phil the image quality from the Rebel is very good.

Just figure for the difference in price I can get a new additional
lens like the 75-300mm. I used to have a Canon A1 35mm SLR system.

Is there anything else that I should really consider before I make
my decision? Any advice to a new beginner in digital photography is
gratefully appreciated.

Thanks,

Lena Olsen

 

[E Scott Cragg]

The 300D has a better placed flash, but IRC, there's no flash compensation, so you can't pop it up for a quick fill in anything but the brightest light.

I almost always shoot my onboard flash at -2 ev, generally in auditoriums or on cloudy days when I want to soften shadows on peoples faces a bit, but nto make it too obvious a flash was used.

Actually, random fill is about the only time I ever use the onboard... otherwise I'll pop an external flash on there.

--
Happy 10D User.

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[Daniella68313]

The 300D is less suitable for sports - this is due to both it's
lower burst and more importantly to it's limitations in selecting
servo mode or single shot- unless you go to sports mode when you
are stuck at ISO400. I have tried

the servo kick with moving subjects though...I have no problem getting it to work with flying birds and moving cars.

my 10D fixed in A1 focus and it usually gets it right, but I
wouldn't fancy using the 300D for a lot of sports shots if that's
your usual work.

no problem for focusing on fast moving subjects..maybe that is dependant on the lens that you tried?

The lack of mirror lock-up can also affect people who use it for
long exposures, so the camera may not be suitable for this if you
do a lot of it.

I thought this was good for exposure between 1/10s and 1/2s but not really important for longer or shorter speed?

For flash you really have to buy the more expensive 550 or you
can't fully control exposure. However I believe Sunpak have just
bought out a less expensive alternative.

that'S good to know.

The body is also plastic,but I doubt it is any less robust for that.

many people have reported drops already and none stopped working after the drop. they seem quite sturdy and well built, smaller and lighter.

as for sport events..many people also reported that they get refused at the entrance with a professional looking camera but not with the 300D because it's not black? wow...crazy huh?

You can swap between metering modes for partial and centre-weighted
form the default evaluative without too much trouble, I understand.
If you can live with these things I'd get the 300D with kit lens.
You get a lot of bang for your buck.

how much do you need to pay to get a decent wide angle lens on the 10D? I also thought the kit lens was a very good bargain..

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[Daniella68313]

hehe, the more we use the camera and the less we regret not buying the 10D. I love the light weight and it's smaller. the more we use the camera and the more we learn how to work around the limitations.

it basicaly come to a different way of using the camera, but it does do the job.

my .02

Khanh

I am trying to decide between getting the EOS 10D and the new
Digital Rebel. I have seen this comparison
http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/CanonRebelDvs10D.shtml , and wonder
if the Digital Rebel is not the way to go.

Although I am a very active photographer, and like to do a lot of
travel photography I don't know if the extra construction is that
important? I tend to be fairly careful with my camera equipment.
The main features of these two cameras look very similar. And
according to Phil the image quality from the Rebel is very good.

Just figure for the difference in price I can get a new additional
lens like the 75-300mm. I used to have a Canon A1 35mm SLR system.

Is there anything else that I should really consider before I make
my decision? Any advice to a new beginner in digital photography is
gratefully appreciated.

Thanks,

Lena Olsen

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Regards,
Khanh M

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[Marty Schultz]

The lack of mirror lock-up can also affect people who use it for
long exposures, so the camera may not be suitable for this if you
do a lot of it.

I thought this was good for exposure between 1/10s and 1/2s but not
really important for longer or shorter speed?

Mirror lockup is for reducing vibration, needed when using high magnification and/or long exposures. For astrophotography it is a nessesity, even with a telescope on a rock solid mount the mirror slap on my 10D causes vibration that lasts 5 to 10 seconds, at 1600mm the slightest vibration is noticable...

You also need a remote cable to make it work, for some stupid reason the self timer on the 10D changes from 10 seconds to 3 seconds when using mirror lockup. Anyway, if you are using a tripod and remote and can see the image shake in the viewfinder after taking a shot mirror lockup will help reduce that.

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[taylor-design]

• The 9 frame buffer. Recently at an air show I only hit the busy signal twice, and I was shooting like mad. Had that been a 4 frame buffer I know I would have been frustrated. (I would have paid more for a 10D with an even larger buffer...which brings up a point: why doesn't Canon offer a buffer memory expansion slot? I'd buy that RAM upgrade.)

• Custom functions: I've always hated AF on the shutter release. Now it's on the AE lock button, and I can control precisely what I'm focusing on and when. (Incredibly useful at the air show.) Another critical CF is mirror lock up.

• The ability to choose the AF and metering modes best suited to the conditions, not just what the AE mode is preset to.

• ISO 3200 - nice to know it's there if needed.

• While I owned a plastic film Rebel for years with no problems, it's nice to know that the 10D body can take a beating. Walking around all day with a heavy L lens on the front causes me no concern. With my Rebel I'd be nervous.

I am trying to decide between getting the EOS 10D and the new
Digital Rebel. I have seen this comparison
http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/CanonRebelDvs10D.shtml , and wonder
if the Digital Rebel is not the way to go.

Although I am a very active photographer, and like to do a lot of
travel photography I don't know if the extra construction is that
important? I tend to be fairly careful with my camera equipment.
The main features of these two cameras look very similar. And
according to Phil the image quality from the Rebel is very good.

Just figure for the difference in price I can get a new additional
lens like the 75-300mm. I used to have a Canon A1 35mm SLR system.

Is there anything else that I should really consider before I make
my decision? Any advice to a new beginner in digital photography is
gratefully appreciated.

Thanks,

Lena Olsen