Denoise AI disappeared on a few images in a batch.

[Redcrown]

I processed a batch of high ISO travel pics 3 months ago, using ACR Denoise AI on all. When finished with all RAWs, I batch converted them to jpegs using ACR.

Now, the wife used them to make a book via Shutterfly. Four out of 60 images were noisy junk, with no apparent Denoise. I went back to the RAWs and now those 4 show the Denoise AI setting ticked, but with an "Update AI settings" message in the top right of ACR. The images show no denoise in ACR. Clicking on the "Update" message fixes them, and now they convert to jpegs OK.

So, something happened to those 4 (and only those 4) in the few days between doing the Raw processing and the jpeg creation. Anybody seen this happen. Anybody know why?

 

[Zeee]

I'm having to update a few files every time I edit. I can't remember on which site forum I got this info from. Likely the Lightroom Queen.

In general, applying a command that changes the pixels used to create an AI mask will cause the red dot to appear, warning you to recompute that AI mask using the new pixels. Examples:

- Remove on top of an AI mask (Subject, Sky, etc.).

- Remove on top of Adaptive Color (which creates internal AI masks).

- Remove on top of Lens Blur (which uses a depth-of-field AI mask).

- Lens Blur on top of Adaptive Color.

- Lens Blur on top of an AI mask.

 

[Redcrown]

Thanks for the tip. I did some testing on the images in question until I could reproduce the problem. One thing I noticed is that the "Update AI" warning sometimes takes a few seconds to appear after making the adjustment that causes it. That's surely system dependent.

So, I suspect that after making the initial pass of the batch, I reviewed the thumbs and noticed something minor, fixed it and clicked "Done" or "Open" before the message appeared. Or simply didn't see the message in the obscure top left corner. Anyway, lesson learned. Now I also need to teach the wife to pay closer attention.

 

[Zeee]

Thanks for the tip. I did some testing on the images in question until I could reproduce the problem. One thing I noticed is that the "Update AI" warning sometimes takes a few seconds to appear after making the adjustment that causes it. That's surely system dependent.

So, I suspect that after making the initial pass of the batch, I reviewed the thumbs and noticed something minor, fixed it and clicked "Done" or "Open" before the message appeared. Or simply didn't see the message in the obscure top left corner. Anyway, lesson learned. Now I also need to teach the wife to pay closer attention.

It caught me by surprise as well.

 

[Zeee]

Something else I noticed but this has only happened only a few times to me. I had intended to look for the answer but always forget to get around to it. Sometimes I have seen only 1 red dot under the Mask icon only. I replicated the steps as outline in that last post of the linked thread below. I applied a Mask first and the did some healing next.

Here is the typical process. You see the 3 red dots prompting to Update.



After pressing the update the red dot under the Mask icon remained. Like I've only seen this happen a few times. I usually don't do healing after a mask so likely why I never see it.



While in the Develop panel select Settings, then Update AI Settings, the mask will update and the red dot will disappear.

NOTE: If that red for is "not illuminated" the Update AI Settings command will not appear when in the Develop panel.



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Red dot under the mask symbol

I am using version 12.3 of LrC. On one of my recently processed photos I am getting a red dot under the Mask tool symbol. Normally there is a white (or light gray) dot under the tool symbols like "Healing", "Crop" or "Edit" indicating that some modifications were done with that tool, but in...

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A little more info.

These days I import with Adobes new profile - Adaptive Color. However after import I have to Update all the files for it to apply otherwise I have to do it one file at a time. After import and after Previews are built - while in the Library panel I select all files, Select Photo and then Update AI Settings.

For others reading all this masking has no effect on LrC performance. Both my Mac devices fly with multiple edits and masking.

--
The Golden Grift

 

[Redcrown]

Even though I now understand, it seems strange. Why does Adobe say, "Hey, your image adjustments are now Bogus, click here to fix them." Why don't they just fix them?

But remember, we are dealing with Version 1.0 of the AI stuff. ACR updates will come, and the ball game will start over. I'm suffering 2 other major "bugs" I hope get fixed soon, checking CC almost every day looking for news.

 

[Zeee]

Even though I now understand, it seems strange. Why does Adobe say, "Hey, your image adjustments are now Bogus, click here to fix them." Why don't they just fix them?

But remember, we are dealing with Version 1.0 of the AI stuff. ACR updates will come, and the ball game will start over. I'm suffering 2 other major "bugs" I hope get fixed soon, checking CC almost every day looking for news.

I guess with AI these days the order of adjustments is key, especially when it comes to how LrC retains all the edits. I think of it as painting. You don't paint first and then put the primer on. I like the warnings in case I go out of order. It will update my edits so the final results will be as expected I don't find pressing a button too inconvenient but that is just me.

The more you add the more complex things become. You never know. Perhaps Adobe will address this one day, if that is possible with a parametric editor of this nature. There are a few other things I'd like to see first.

 

[Redcrown]

OP again...

I came across another strange batch. Wife went to Germany Xmas markets, December 2024. Came back with 1,000 plus images for me to process. After the initial cull and Photoshopping of main winners, I was left with 363 Raw images that were adjusted in ACR only for later direct conversion to jpegs. About 80% had Denoise AI, maybe another 25% had masking or minor removals. These were parked in a folder, waiting for "later."

Now its later and she wants to use them, so I converted to jpegs for her by opening all in ACR and outputting to a new folder. No surprise, I guess, that most were junk. Every "AI" adjustment was missing! Anything with Denoise, masking, or removals came up in ACR with the "Update AI" warning. Strangely, these images still contained the AI settings, they just were no longer applied, and did not survive the jpeg output. The Denoise AI "amounts" were intact (I had varied amount by ISO). All the masks were intact, mostly sky selections.

Most strange, all the removals were intact but appeared to be partially applied. For example, a wire was removed across the entire frame. The initial display in ACR showed only half the wire gone. After Updating AI, the whole wire was gone. I probably removed it in sections, two or more steps. So, some steps survived, some did not.

Fixing the missing Denoise was simple, just time consuming. I'd just load a big batch in ACR, select all, tick Denoise and take a long break. The others were a big pain. Apparently there is no way to select Just images that need AI updates, and do them in mass. You just have to page through them, one at a time, looking for and ticking the "Update AI" message.

I can't remember what has happened since I did the initial processing back in late December, early January. There may have been some Photoshop, Bridge, ACR updates. But this experience seems to strongly indicate that it's not an "operator" problem -- making adjustments out of sequence that nullify previous settings.

 

[Zeee]

OP again...

I came across another strange batch. Wife went to Germany Xmas markets, December 2024. Came back with 1,000 plus images for me to process. After the initial cull and Photoshopping of main winners, I was left with 363 Raw images that were adjusted in ACR only for later direct conversion to jpegs. About 80% had Denoise AI, maybe another 25% had masking or minor removals. These were parked in a folder, waiting for "later."

Now its later and she wants to use them, so I converted to jpegs for her by opening all in ACR and outputting to a new folder. No surprise, I guess, that most were junk. Every "AI" adjustment was missing! Anything with Denoise, masking, or removals came up in ACR with the "Update AI" warning. Strangely, these images still contained the AI settings, they just were no longer applied, and did not survive the jpeg output. The Denoise AI "amounts" were intact (I had varied amount by ISO). All the masks were intact, mostly sky selections.

Most strange, all the removals were intact but appeared to be partially applied. For example, a wire was removed across the entire frame. The initial display in ACR showed only half the wire gone. After Updating AI, the whole wire was gone. I probably removed it in sections, two or more steps. So, some steps survived, some did not.

Fixing the missing Denoise was simple, just time consuming. I'd just load a big batch in ACR, select all, tick Denoise and take a long break. The others were a big pain. Apparently there is no way to select Just images that need AI updates, and do them in mass. You just have to page through them, one at a time, looking for and ticking the "Update AI" message.

I can't remember what has happened since I did the initial processing back in late December, early January. There may have been some Photoshop, Bridge, ACR updates. But this experience seems to strongly indicate that it's not an "operator" problem -- making adjustments out of sequence that nullify previous settings.

I used PS and ACR many years ago. Maybe things have changed but when opened a file it went to ACR. Then when opening that file it went to PS. Once I was done editing and I exported the file that was it. I could never open that file and have all my edits be there. That was why I saved important files as TIFFS as well as Jpgs. The main reason I switched to LrC. I can export edited files as far back as 2011.

I'm obviously missing something and perhaps members who are better versed in ACR/PS can help.

 

[RaysJ]

OP again...

I came across another strange batch. Wife went to Germany Xmas markets, December 2024. Came back with 1,000 plus images for me to process. After the initial cull and Photoshopping of main winners, I was left with 363 Raw images that were adjusted in ACR only for later direct conversion to jpegs. About 80% had Denoise AI, maybe another 25% had masking or minor removals. These were parked in a folder, waiting for "later."

Now its later and she wants to use them, so I converted to jpegs for her by opening all in ACR and outputting to a new folder. No surprise, I guess, that most were junk. Every "AI" adjustment was missing! Anything with Denoise, masking, or removals came up in ACR with the "Update AI" warning. Strangely, these images still contained the AI settings, they just were no longer applied, and did not survive the jpeg output. The Denoise AI "amounts" were intact (I had varied amount by ISO). All the masks were intact, mostly sky selections.

Most strange, all the removals were intact but appeared to be partially applied. For example, a wire was removed across the entire frame. The initial display in ACR showed only half the wire gone. After Updating AI, the whole wire was gone. I probably removed it in sections, two or more steps. So, some steps survived, some did not.

Fixing the missing Denoise was simple, just time consuming. I'd just load a big batch in ACR, select all, tick Denoise and take a long break. The others were a big pain. Apparently there is no way to select Just images that need AI updates, and do them in mass. You just have to page through them, one at a time, looking for and ticking the "Update AI" message.

I can't remember what has happened since I did the initial processing back in late December, early January. There may have been some Photoshop, Bridge, ACR updates. But this experience seems to strongly indicate that it's not an "operator" problem -- making adjustments out of sequence that nullify previous settings.

I used PS and ACR many years ago. Maybe things have changed but when opened a file it went to ACR. Then when opening that file it went to PS. Once I was done editing and I exported the file that was it. I could never open that file and have all my edits be there. That was why I saved important files as TIFFS as well as Jpgs. The main reason I switched to LrC. I can export edited files as far back as 2011.

I'm obviously missing something and perhaps members who are better versed in ACR/PS can help.

Depends how you save, you can changes to RAW image, l never do because l want the original unprocessed image. I then go straight into PS. After processing l save as a PSD file, everything is saved, all the layers, just as the final stage. It sounds like you are not saving the file, just exporting it. I don't see the point of LR, unless you are doing batch processing, which l never do. PS has so much more than LR.

 

[Zeee]

OP again...

I came across another strange batch. Wife went to Germany Xmas markets, December 2024. Came back with 1,000 plus images for me to process. After the initial cull and Photoshopping of main winners, I was left with 363 Raw images that were adjusted in ACR only for later direct conversion to jpegs. About 80% had Denoise AI, maybe another 25% had masking or minor removals. These were parked in a folder, waiting for "later."

Now its later and she wants to use them, so I converted to jpegs for her by opening all in ACR and outputting to a new folder. No surprise, I guess, that most were junk. Every "AI" adjustment was missing! Anything with Denoise, masking, or removals came up in ACR with the "Update AI" warning. Strangely, these images still contained the AI settings, they just were no longer applied, and did not survive the jpeg output. The Denoise AI "amounts" were intact (I had varied amount by ISO). All the masks were intact, mostly sky selections.

Most strange, all the removals were intact but appeared to be partially applied. For example, a wire was removed across the entire frame. The initial display in ACR showed only half the wire gone. After Updating AI, the whole wire was gone. I probably removed it in sections, two or more steps. So, some steps survived, some did not.

Fixing the missing Denoise was simple, just time consuming. I'd just load a big batch in ACR, select all, tick Denoise and take a long break. The others were a big pain. Apparently there is no way to select Just images that need AI updates, and do them in mass. You just have to page through them, one at a time, looking for and ticking the "Update AI" message.

I can't remember what has happened since I did the initial processing back in late December, early January. There may have been some Photoshop, Bridge, ACR updates. But this experience seems to strongly indicate that it's not an "operator" problem -- making adjustments out of sequence that nullify previous settings.

I used PS and ACR many years ago. Maybe things have changed but when opened a file it went to ACR. Then when opening that file it went to PS. Once I was done editing and I exported the file that was it. I could never open that file and have all my edits be there. That was why I saved important files as TIFFS as well as Jpgs. The main reason I switched to LrC. I can export edited files as far back as 2011.

I'm obviously missing something and perhaps members who are better versed in ACR/PS can help.

Depends how you save, you can changes to RAW image, l never do because l want the original unprocessed image. I then go straight into PS. After processing l save as a PSD file, everything is saved, all the layers, just as the final stage. It sounds like you are not saving the file, just exporting it. I don't see the point of LR, unless you are doing batch processing, which l never do. PS has so much more than LR.

When I got into event shooting I used Canons DPP as my developer and then the files went to PS as TIFF's. This as an editing nightmare. It took several trials and then I updated LR which is now LrC. I would send some files from LR to PS but these days with the masking LrC offers I doubt I'd need to.

Over time I began to appreciate LrC for hobby shooting as well. Having my edits saved forever without need to export as TIFFs or PSDs has a lot of appeal. Like you said great for batch editing but also if you take the time LrC has a lot to offer. Not as advanced as ACR/PS but it's no slouch.

 

[RaysJ]

OP again...

I came across another strange batch. Wife went to Germany Xmas markets, December 2024. Came back with 1,000 plus images for me to process. After the initial cull and Photoshopping of main winners, I was left with 363 Raw images that were adjusted in ACR only for later direct conversion to jpegs. About 80% had Denoise AI, maybe another 25% had masking or minor removals. These were parked in a folder, waiting for "later."

Now its later and she wants to use them, so I converted to jpegs for her by opening all in ACR and outputting to a new folder. No surprise, I guess, that most were junk. Every "AI" adjustment was missing! Anything with Denoise, masking, or removals came up in ACR with the "Update AI" warning. Strangely, these images still contained the AI settings, they just were no longer applied, and did not survive the jpeg output. The Denoise AI "amounts" were intact (I had varied amount by ISO). All the masks were intact, mostly sky selections.

Most strange, all the removals were intact but appeared to be partially applied. For example, a wire was removed across the entire frame. The initial display in ACR showed only half the wire gone. After Updating AI, the whole wire was gone. I probably removed it in sections, two or more steps. So, some steps survived, some did not.

Fixing the missing Denoise was simple, just time consuming. I'd just load a big batch in ACR, select all, tick Denoise and take a long break. The others were a big pain. Apparently there is no way to select Just images that need AI updates, and do them in mass. You just have to page through them, one at a time, looking for and ticking the "Update AI" message.

I can't remember what has happened since I did the initial processing back in late December, early January. There may have been some Photoshop, Bridge, ACR updates. But this experience seems to strongly indicate that it's not an "operator" problem -- making adjustments out of sequence that nullify previous settings.

I used PS and ACR many years ago. Maybe things have changed but when opened a file it went to ACR. Then when opening that file it went to PS. Once I was done editing and I exported the file that was it. I could never open that file and have all my edits be there. That was why I saved important files as TIFFS as well as Jpgs. The main reason I switched to LrC. I can export edited files as far back as 2011.

I'm obviously missing something and perhaps members who are better versed in ACR/PS can help.

Depends how you save, you can changes to RAW image, l never do because l want the original unprocessed image. I then go straight into PS. After processing l save as a PSD file, everything is saved, all the layers, just as the final stage. It sounds like you are not saving the file, just exporting it. I don't see the point of LR, unless you are doing batch processing, which l never do. PS has so much more than LR.

When I got into event shooting I used Canons DPP as my developer and then the files went to PS as TIFF's. This as an editing nightmare. It took several trials and then I updated LR which is now LrC. I would send some files from LR to PS but these days with the masking LrC offers I doubt I'd need to.

Over time I began to appreciate LrC for hobby shooting as well. Having my edits saved forever without need to export as TIFFs or PSDs has a lot of appeal. Like you said great for batch editing but also if you take the time LrC has a lot to offer. Not as advanced as ACR/PS but it's no slouch.

Masking is an improvement but l'm used to working with layers. I don't think l could work without them.
ln LR, if you edit an image for say 1 hour, then decide an edit you did 30 minutes ago, you want to change, you have to undo everything after that stage? Or can you just amend it?

 

[Zeee]

OP again...

I came across another strange batch. Wife went to Germany Xmas markets, December 2024. Came back with 1,000 plus images for me to process. After the initial cull and Photoshopping of main winners, I was left with 363 Raw images that were adjusted in ACR only for later direct conversion to jpegs. About 80% had Denoise AI, maybe another 25% had masking or minor removals. These were parked in a folder, waiting for "later."

Now its later and she wants to use them, so I converted to jpegs for her by opening all in ACR and outputting to a new folder. No surprise, I guess, that most were junk. Every "AI" adjustment was missing! Anything with Denoise, masking, or removals came up in ACR with the "Update AI" warning. Strangely, these images still contained the AI settings, they just were no longer applied, and did not survive the jpeg output. The Denoise AI "amounts" were intact (I had varied amount by ISO). All the masks were intact, mostly sky selections.

Most strange, all the removals were intact but appeared to be partially applied. For example, a wire was removed across the entire frame. The initial display in ACR showed only half the wire gone. After Updating AI, the whole wire was gone. I probably removed it in sections, two or more steps. So, some steps survived, some did not.

Fixing the missing Denoise was simple, just time consuming. I'd just load a big batch in ACR, select all, tick Denoise and take a long break. The others were a big pain. Apparently there is no way to select Just images that need AI updates, and do them in mass. You just have to page through them, one at a time, looking for and ticking the "Update AI" message.

I can't remember what has happened since I did the initial processing back in late December, early January. There may have been some Photoshop, Bridge, ACR updates. But this experience seems to strongly indicate that it's not an "operator" problem -- making adjustments out of sequence that nullify previous settings.

I used PS and ACR many years ago. Maybe things have changed but when opened a file it went to ACR. Then when opening that file it went to PS. Once I was done editing and I exported the file that was it. I could never open that file and have all my edits be there. That was why I saved important files as TIFFS as well as Jpgs. The main reason I switched to LrC. I can export edited files as far back as 2011.

I'm obviously missing something and perhaps members who are better versed in ACR/PS can help.

Depends how you save, you can changes to RAW image, l never do because l want the original unprocessed image. I then go straight into PS. After processing l save as a PSD file, everything is saved, all the layers, just as the final stage. It sounds like you are not saving the file, just exporting it. I don't see the point of LR, unless you are doing batch processing, which l never do. PS has so much more than LR.

When I got into event shooting I used Canons DPP as my developer and then the files went to PS as TIFF's. This as an editing nightmare. It took several trials and then I updated LR which is now LrC. I would send some files from LR to PS but these days with the masking LrC offers I doubt I'd need to.

Over time I began to appreciate LrC for hobby shooting as well. Having my edits saved forever without need to export as TIFFs or PSDs has a lot of appeal. Like you said great for batch editing but also if you take the time LrC has a lot to offer. Not as advanced as ACR/PS but it's no slouch.

Masking is an improvement but l'm used to working with layers. I don't think l could work without them.
ln LR, if you edit an image for say 1 hour, then decide an edit you did 30 minutes ago, you want to change, you have to undo everything after that stage? Or can you just amend it?

You can go back to ant point and your edits before and after will be there. As soon as you make a new edit all the edit all the future edits disappear. If your just tweak that edit then everything remains.

 

[Zeee]

OP again...

I came across another strange batch. Wife went to Germany Xmas markets, December 2024. Came back with 1,000 plus images for me to process. After the initial cull and Photoshopping of main winners, I was left with 363 Raw images that were adjusted in ACR only for later direct conversion to jpegs. About 80% had Denoise AI, maybe another 25% had masking or minor removals. These were parked in a folder, waiting for "later."

Now its later and she wants to use them, so I converted to jpegs for her by opening all in ACR and outputting to a new folder. No surprise, I guess, that most were junk. Every "AI" adjustment was missing! Anything with Denoise, masking, or removals came up in ACR with the "Update AI" warning. Strangely, these images still contained the AI settings, they just were no longer applied, and did not survive the jpeg output. The Denoise AI "amounts" were intact (I had varied amount by ISO). All the masks were intact, mostly sky selections.

Most strange, all the removals were intact but appeared to be partially applied. For example, a wire was removed across the entire frame. The initial display in ACR showed only half the wire gone. After Updating AI, the whole wire was gone. I probably removed it in sections, two or more steps. So, some steps survived, some did not.

Fixing the missing Denoise was simple, just time consuming. I'd just load a big batch in ACR, select all, tick Denoise and take a long break. The others were a big pain. Apparently there is no way to select Just images that need AI updates, and do them in mass. You just have to page through them, one at a time, looking for and ticking the "Update AI" message.

I can't remember what has happened since I did the initial processing back in late December, early January. There may have been some Photoshop, Bridge, ACR updates. But this experience seems to strongly indicate that it's not an "operator" problem -- making adjustments out of sequence that nullify previous settings.

I used PS and ACR many years ago. Maybe things have changed but when opened a file it went to ACR. Then when opening that file it went to PS. Once I was done editing and I exported the file that was it. I could never open that file and have all my edits be there. That was why I saved important files as TIFFS as well as Jpgs. The main reason I switched to LrC. I can export edited files as far back as 2011.

I'm obviously missing something and perhaps members who are better versed in ACR/PS can help.

Depends how you save, you can changes to RAW image, l never do because l want the original unprocessed image. I then go straight into PS. After processing l save as a PSD file, everything is saved, all the layers, just as the final stage. It sounds like you are not saving the file, just exporting it. I don't see the point of LR, unless you are doing batch processing, which l never do. PS has so much more than LR.

When I got into event shooting I used Canons DPP as my developer and then the files went to PS as TIFF's. This as an editing nightmare. It took several trials and then I updated LR which is now LrC. I would send some files from LR to PS but these days with the masking LrC offers I doubt I'd need to.

Over time I began to appreciate LrC for hobby shooting as well. Having my edits saved forever without need to export as TIFFs or PSDs has a lot of appeal. Like you said great for batch editing but also if you take the time LrC has a lot to offer. Not as advanced as ACR/PS but it's no slouch.

Masking is an improvement but l'm used to working with layers. I don't think l could work without them.
ln LR, if you edit an image for say 1 hour, then decide an edit you did 30 minutes ago, you want to change, you have to undo everything after that stage? Or can you just amend it?

You can go back to ant point and your edits before and after will be there. As soon as you make a new edit all the edit all the future edits disappear. If your just tweak that edit then everything remains.

I rarely go back undo anything unless I want to delete the history of edits past a certain point. If I didn't like a a highlight adjustment I would not go back. I would just adjust tjhe highlight slider again which would be added to the history.

There is a process to follow.

How to Reset or Undo Your Lightroom Adjustments

The history of all your edit steps is always available. You can go back a few steps or revert to the import state using the History Panel or Reset

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You can also create as many virtual copies as you like was you move forward.

There are these options



As for masking you a delete a mask in a series of masks.



--
The Golden Grift

 

[Zeee]

Here is a quick one.



Sometimes I do 75+ edits for my B&W. The history of these edits well be with me forever. Even if I stop paying subscription.







--
The Golden Grift

 

[RaysJ]

OP again...

I came across another strange batch. Wife went to Germany Xmas markets, December 2024. Came back with 1,000 plus images for me to process. After the initial cull and Photoshopping of main winners, I was left with 363 Raw images that were adjusted in ACR only for later direct conversion to jpegs. About 80% had Denoise AI, maybe another 25% had masking or minor removals. These were parked in a folder, waiting for "later."

Now its later and she wants to use them, so I converted to jpegs for her by opening all in ACR and outputting to a new folder. No surprise, I guess, that most were junk. Every "AI" adjustment was missing! Anything with Denoise, masking, or removals came up in ACR with the "Update AI" warning. Strangely, these images still contained the AI settings, they just were no longer applied, and did not survive the jpeg output. The Denoise AI "amounts" were intact (I had varied amount by ISO). All the masks were intact, mostly sky selections.

Most strange, all the removals were intact but appeared to be partially applied. For example, a wire was removed across the entire frame. The initial display in ACR showed only half the wire gone. After Updating AI, the whole wire was gone. I probably removed it in sections, two or more steps. So, some steps survived, some did not.

Fixing the missing Denoise was simple, just time consuming. I'd just load a big batch in ACR, select all, tick Denoise and take a long break. The others were a big pain. Apparently there is no way to select Just images that need AI updates, and do them in mass. You just have to page through them, one at a time, looking for and ticking the "Update AI" message.

I can't remember what has happened since I did the initial processing back in late December, early January. There may have been some Photoshop, Bridge, ACR updates. But this experience seems to strongly indicate that it's not an "operator" problem -- making adjustments out of sequence that nullify previous settings.

I used PS and ACR many years ago. Maybe things have changed but when opened a file it went to ACR. Then when opening that file it went to PS. Once I was done editing and I exported the file that was it. I could never open that file and have all my edits be there. That was why I saved important files as TIFFS as well as Jpgs. The main reason I switched to LrC. I can export edited files as far back as 2011.

I'm obviously missing something and perhaps members who are better versed in ACR/PS can help.

Depends how you save, you can changes to RAW image, l never do because l want the original unprocessed image. I then go straight into PS. After processing l save as a PSD file, everything is saved, all the layers, just as the final stage. It sounds like you are not saving the file, just exporting it. I don't see the point of LR, unless you are doing batch processing, which l never do. PS has so much more than LR.

When I got into event shooting I used Canons DPP as my developer and then the files went to PS as TIFF's. This as an editing nightmare. It took several trials and then I updated LR which is now LrC. I would send some files from LR to PS but these days with the masking LrC offers I doubt I'd need to.

Over time I began to appreciate LrC for hobby shooting as well. Having my edits saved forever without need to export as TIFFs or PSDs has a lot of appeal. Like you said great for batch editing but also if you take the time LrC has a lot to offer. Not as advanced as ACR/PS but it's no slouch.

Masking is an improvement but l'm used to working with layers. I don't think l could work without them.
ln LR, if you edit an image for say 1 hour, then decide an edit you did 30 minutes ago, you want to change, you have to undo everything after that stage? Or can you just amend it?

You can go back to ant point and your edits before and after will be there. As soon as you make a new edit all the edit all the future edits disappear. If your just tweak that edit then everything remains.

Sorry, l don't understand. If you are still editing, you can go back to an edit you did, say 20 edits ago?



Once you save it, can you go back and amend an edit, in the middle of the edits, or is it like flattening the image?

 

[Zeee]

OP again...

I came across another strange batch. Wife went to Germany Xmas markets, December 2024. Came back with 1,000 plus images for me to process. After the initial cull and Photoshopping of main winners, I was left with 363 Raw images that were adjusted in ACR only for later direct conversion to jpegs. About 80% had Denoise AI, maybe another 25% had masking or minor removals. These were parked in a folder, waiting for "later."

Now its later and she wants to use them, so I converted to jpegs for her by opening all in ACR and outputting to a new folder. No surprise, I guess, that most were junk. Every "AI" adjustment was missing! Anything with Denoise, masking, or removals came up in ACR with the "Update AI" warning. Strangely, these images still contained the AI settings, they just were no longer applied, and did not survive the jpeg output. The Denoise AI "amounts" were intact (I had varied amount by ISO). All the masks were intact, mostly sky selections.

Most strange, all the removals were intact but appeared to be partially applied. For example, a wire was removed across the entire frame. The initial display in ACR showed only half the wire gone. After Updating AI, the whole wire was gone. I probably removed it in sections, two or more steps. So, some steps survived, some did not.

Fixing the missing Denoise was simple, just time consuming. I'd just load a big batch in ACR, select all, tick Denoise and take a long break. The others were a big pain. Apparently there is no way to select Just images that need AI updates, and do them in mass. You just have to page through them, one at a time, looking for and ticking the "Update AI" message.

I can't remember what has happened since I did the initial processing back in late December, early January. There may have been some Photoshop, Bridge, ACR updates. But this experience seems to strongly indicate that it's not an "operator" problem -- making adjustments out of sequence that nullify previous settings.

I used PS and ACR many years ago. Maybe things have changed but when opened a file it went to ACR. Then when opening that file it went to PS. Once I was done editing and I exported the file that was it. I could never open that file and have all my edits be there. That was why I saved important files as TIFFS as well as Jpgs. The main reason I switched to LrC. I can export edited files as far back as 2011.

I'm obviously missing something and perhaps members who are better versed in ACR/PS can help.

Depends how you save, you can changes to RAW image, l never do because l want the original unprocessed image. I then go straight into PS. After processing l save as a PSD file, everything is saved, all the layers, just as the final stage. It sounds like you are not saving the file, just exporting it. I don't see the point of LR, unless you are doing batch processing, which l never do. PS has so much more than LR.

When I got into event shooting I used Canons DPP as my developer and then the files went to PS as TIFF's. This as an editing nightmare. It took several trials and then I updated LR which is now LrC. I would send some files from LR to PS but these days with the masking LrC offers I doubt I'd need to.

Over time I began to appreciate LrC for hobby shooting as well. Having my edits saved forever without need to export as TIFFs or PSDs has a lot of appeal. Like you said great for batch editing but also if you take the time LrC has a lot to offer. Not as advanced as ACR/PS but it's no slouch.

Masking is an improvement but l'm used to working with layers. I don't think l could work without them.
ln LR, if you edit an image for say 1 hour, then decide an edit you did 30 minutes ago, you want to change, you have to undo everything after that stage? Or can you just amend it?

You can go back to ant point and your edits before and after will be there. As soon as you make a new edit all the edit all the future edits disappear. If your just tweak that edit then everything remains.

Sorry, l don't understand. If you are still editing, you can go back to an edit you did, say 20 edits ago?

Once you save it, can you go back and amend an edit, in the middle of the edits, or is it like flattening the image?

Sorry about it. It looks like flattening. Before we go there you never save the edits. The original RAW file is never touched as it works as Preview based system. The edits are always there for later use. You export file as a Jpeg or TIFF, PSD, DNG or whatever you like. I have wedding event edits. I've never saved Jpegs, etc after giving them to a customer. They are always to export if I need to. It takes seconds.

Example. The last edit here was Tint.



I went back to exposure and tweaked it. It treated it as a new edit and deleted the edits above it. As you can see a new Exposure adjustment was added the previous one in the history.



Forgive me again as I never go backwards, just forward. However a simple Edit - Undo brought all the edits back. After the bringing them back I wanted to tweak the Exposure. With the last edit highlighted (Tint) I adjusted the Exposure. As you can see it added the new Exposure adjustment above Tint. The older exposure edit half way down is still there.



I'll have another look to see if you can go back and alter an adjustment without losing the edits above it. LrC is a parametric editor thus it builds on the last adjustment so I'm not sure you can go back half way and do that. But there are other ways. As I demonstrated just make a new adjustment, You can undo any deletions, you can create a virtual copy or make snapshots.

To your other question you can go back whenever you like to tweak previous edits. This is from 2014. The last edit I did was Preset: B&W Look 4.



I made a few extra edits and you can see they were added. Now the last edit is Blacks. Also you can hover over all your previous edits and they will change. You could pick a point where you want to make changes and start there. Make a new edit and the ones above will disappear.













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[Zeee]

One more. Here I hovered over this edit and it shows what it looked like at that point.



Feel free to ask more questions.

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[Redcrown]

An OP Update: Remember (above) that I fixed all the "Update AI" issues in my batch of German Xmas Market images. Then I regenerated the jpegs and all was good. Today I revisited those "fixed" raw files and, surprise, a number of them needed another Update AI! They had not been touched since last fixed. BUT, a new version of ACR was installed. This new version has a little icon called "AI Edit Status" that turns yellow if an Update AI is needed. Couldn't be more subtle and easy to miss. But gross noise in the preview, or even the thumbnail makes it obvious.

I find no rhyme or reason why some Raws now need another update and some not. Most had Denoise only, no masking or removals. Most strange, a few high ISO Raws that were definitely Denoised now have the Denoise option unchecked.

Something is still definitely rotten in Denmark.

 

[Zeee]

An OP Update: Remember (above) that I fixed all the "Update AI" issues in my batch of German Xmas Market images. Then I regenerated the jpegs and all was good. Today I revisited those "fixed" raw files and, surprise, a number of them needed another Update AI! They had not been touched since last fixed. BUT, a new version of ACR was installed. This new version has a little icon called "AI Edit Status" that turns yellow if an Update AI is needed. Couldn't be more subtle and easy to miss. But gross noise in the preview, or even the thumbnail makes it obvious.

I find no rhyme or reason why some Raws now need another update and some not. Most had Denoise only, no masking or removals. Most strange, a few high ISO Raws that were definitely Denoised now have the Denoise option unchecked.

Something is still definitely rotten in Denmark.

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