Casio shown prototype next generation DC ( 60fps )

[Franka T.L.]

As Casio puts it on their news page title

• http://www.casio.co.jp/release/2007/ngdc.html -

It is almost certain that it use the newer generation of sensor that can take very quick sequential capture as in the text the highlight of the DC prototype is

• 1/1.8" 6.6MP sensor ( CMOS ) with sensor based Anti-Shake
• 60fps super high speed capture ( sequential capture )
• 300fps Video
• your typical 12X zoom that equate 35-420 at 2.7-4.6

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• Franka -

 

[halc]

Finally something interesting.

Ssemi-high fps video for a consumer price would be open up new possibilities for hobbyists, home scientists and the like.

 

[dylanbarnhart]

60fps is already enough to fool the eyes to make it sees continous motion. Any more is a waste of storage space. Anybody knows why Casio would do this?

 

[mschira]

60fps is already enough to fool the eyes to make it sees continous
motion. Any more is a waste of storage space. Anybody knows why
Casio would do this?

Maybe you can use it for some slow-motion action...
M.

 

[Sir Fallot]

To allow smooth viewing in slow motion.

There are probably lots of applications for this, but analysing a golf swing is one that immediately springs to mind.

60fps is already enough to fool the eyes to make it sees continous
motion. Any more is a waste of storage space. Anybody knows why
Casio would do this?

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[moire]

60fps is already enough to fool the eyes to make it sees continous
motion. Any more is a waste of storage space. Anybody knows why
Casio would do this?

Maybe you can use it for some slow-motion action...
M.

Yes!! 300fps would allow very interesting artistic posibilities!

 

[iso rivolta]

Casio has always been one of the first to implement the new sensor offerings from Sony. It seems this new Casio is using the much discussed Sony IMX017CQE.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0702/07021801sonyhighspeedcmos.asp
http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/cx_news/vol47/np_imx017.html

 

[Riccati]

60fps is already enough to fool the eyes to make it sees continous
motion. Any more is a waste of storage space. Anybody knows why
Casio would do this?

I don't know exactly what frame rate this footage:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eYbCMdR38us
was shot at, but I guess it was at least 300fps.

Doesn't seem like a waste to me.

(I do know it was shot with a Sony camera though, and it seems the new Casio uses a Sony sensor...)

 

[prodesma]

That's remarkable! I can see a lot of sports coaches being on board with this, trainers and such. Maybe race tracks... Gee golly, I can't stand watching my golf swing at 60 fps off my Canon S3 IS, imagine the agony I'd face of having to stand watching 300 fps... Eeegad, somebody take my clubs away!

Some science & research labs... (wind tunnels, for example?) This might replace $50k+ systems in high-speed video the way the new Canon is converging into Phase One digital back territory!

On another note, poor seals! Awwwww...

On another note, might see alot of destructive stuff like this on you tube soon:
http://www.nike.com/nikegolf/juiceball/

On another note...

Casio dint bother to mention the buffer size at 60fps is only 4.25 JPEGs. LOL. Just funnin. No, no... Seriously, the maximum clip size for a video at 600 fps is 0.0012875 seconds. Ha ha...

I mock this (not seriously). I think this development could be very promising. I'd certainly follow the release news. Not that this camera feature is for me. But to see how it becomes implemented in a second gen/iteration? HD video and dSLR merged in a year or two- w/ Live View, Image Stabilization, and high ISO capabilities? Oh my.

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[Paul W UK]

into their next Alpha with access to Zeiss, Minolta and Sony lenses it could be quite a package.

Interesting stuff!

Meanwhile Olympus may also have some new 'Trine' sensor coming in the E3...confused reports.

Simon & Phil may well not get much sleep in the lead up to Christmas.

 

[mschira]

take 10 images at high iso (lots of noise...) short shutter,
do normalized reverse correlation to align the images, averages...
M.

 

[duartix]

take 10 images at high iso (lots of noise...) short shutter,
do normalized reverse correlation to align the images, averages...

I can see another major immediate benefit: noise cancellation.

Take multiple pictures, align them, blend them, there you have it, a low noise image.

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Duarte Bruno

 

[Allen George]

applications that Sony itself has identified I'm not trying to bust your bubble - just point out that Sony is at least looking into both these
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[mschira]

take 10 images at high iso (lots of noise...) short shutter,
do normalized reverse correlation to align the images, averages...

I can see another major immediate benefit: noise cancellation.
Take multiple pictures, align them, blend them, there you have it, a
low noise image.

Hello? That's exactly what I suggested, just you forgot the alignment step. If you don't do that you will blurr the image...
M.

 

[mschira]

applications that Sony itself has identified I'm not trying to
bust your bubble - just point out that Sony is at least looking
into both these

of course they do. It's just to obvious. I can implement that in 20 minutes in Matlab to test if it does any good.
To get it into a small camera chip - a bit more complicated I think...
M.

 

[sharpsh00ter]

Seriously, this is very interesting to me! I did a lot of arty experimental video work a few years ago on my degree, and always wanted to be able to do true slow mo, but never could. You used to have to shoot with a high speed film cine camera to get fps like this! You've seen those shots of bullets hitting apples and balloons bursting? Sure that was probably more like 1000fps or even much more, but still this is cool. I could have lots of fun with this, if the IQ is good enough.

Also anyone else see that it has a 6mp 1/1.8 sensor? Now that is a refreshing change after all the latest MP hikes, and minature sensors. I seem to rememebr a sony sensor announcement a bit ago with the same specs, maybe this is it?

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[Witoldiste]

The sensor is 6 megapixels at 1/1.8", which in itself should make it the least noisy in a compact camera in a long time. And the dynamic range should be much better than in all compact cameras nowadays.
This is fantastic news. I am very impatient to see a review.

 

[Heikki Kultala]

The sensor is 6 megapixels at 1/1.8", which in itself should make it
the least noisy in a compact camera in a long time. And the dynamic
range should be much better than in all compact cameras nowadays.
This is fantastic news. I am very impatient to see a review.

It's CMOS.

So it has more "auxiliary stuff" on each pixel, meaning worse fill factor.

I think it's 6 Mpx because 10-12 Mpx 1/1.8" CMOS would have been much noisier than 10-12 Mpx 1/1.8" CCD, and 6 Mpx was a good compromise.

(and big CMOS sensors of DSLRs are different thing, because a) they have so big pixels that few extra transistors don't matter in them b) big CCD's are problematic on power usage and cause noise by warming, so they can be made with same noise levels than CCD sensors for DSLR's)

btw. Kodak's CMOS sensor based P&S camera has max sensitivity of 200, propably because the sensor is so noisy.

 

[DLGW]

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[200mm]

--that sounds interesting, I want one.

Roger.

' Nothing is so firmly believed as what we least know'