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First, my apologies to all for that terribly lame attempt to get that irrational fanatic "Gary Woodard" tossed from the forum. Don't know what I was thinking!

Now, banding...hmmm, what to do. Should we listen to the emminently qualified thoughts of Thom Hogan and Julia Borg and Phil Askey? Or to the ravings of the AllD200shavebandingyoujustdon'tknowhowtoproduceit gang? Is this an either/or proposition? Nope.

Here's what I think (not that you asked) let's call it a wash. Right?
-OK, all D200s have banding. Fine.
-Nikon are idiots for handling it poorly. Fine.
-Nikon will never be able to fix the problem. Fine.

-Shooting at ISO 800 and +4EV is perfectly normal and should never show any aberrations. Fine.

-Everyone who has seen banding should take their camera back and get a refund, (except for people like "Gary Woodard", in which case hang on to it for as long as possible all the while complaining about it!) Fine.

-The D200 is a crappy camera and Nikon should be squashed like the little bugs they are! Fine.

Game over. The winners? All those who have consistently kept up the complaints and did the world such a fantastic service by refusing to let it go!

The losers? All those sorry D200 owners who are now forced to continue making impeccable images, despite the "Gary Woodards" of the world, despite not being able to produce banding to the satisfaction of the AllD200shavebandingyoujustdon'tknowhowtoproduceit gang, despite understanding and appreciating the work and explanations of Hogan, Borg, and Askey...all the while having to thoroughly enjoy their camera. You poor bunch!

Will this stop the banding postings?

Will the sun come up in the west tomorrow?

How cool would that be?!
 
This topic has banding... I can see it... it's definitely defective.

Totally unrealistic and unecessary. You show very little understanding of what people are talking about here. It's sad :(

I'd really like to see everybody just getting along fine, trying to help each other. Isn't that why we are here?

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D200 Blooming as usual, read here:

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I've been incorporating my D200 into the usual D2x studio shooting lately. It is my back up and I do want to test(not for banding) for myself. So far, clients have chosen(unknowingly) about half of the D200 and half of the D2x shots when previewing their photos. I have a disc ready to go to the lab for 10- 8x10s(half of which are the D200).

After what Ive seen on the screen I have no doubt that these photos will be as good as the D2x Photos.

The only difference in use that I've found is a louder mirror slap. I could care less about the mirror if the results are the same.

I love my D200. I feel safe thats it's my backup camera. I love my D70 but was a little nervous about it as a backup for the D2x. Most of our work is very large wall portraiture 16 by 20 through 40 by 50 canvas prints.

Hope all D200 users are enjoying their camera as I am. I carry this one everywhere.

Kind Regards
Ed K
 
...yet you now live life as a Gary Woodward clone. You wanna get along? Stop telling anyone that will lesten that ALL D200's have banding. ('Cuz it ain't true). You are one of the folks who are mentioned specifically by the OP as a member of the AllD200shavebandingyoujustdon'tknowhowtoproduceit gang. And yet you accuse someone of not knowing what they are talking about. If that weren't so funny it would be pathetic.
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I am convinced that within 6 months the D200 will be considered a huge watershed for Nikon, maybe their biggest ever.
Thanks for sharing.
 
1. all d200 cameras will have banding, regardless of how reduced
2. each owner or potential owner needs to determine if banding is a deal breaker

3. in my opinion the reduced banding solution would be acceptable to me and would have NO worries purchasing a d200. however, i have no desire to get one.

4. nikon still needs to address their PR and customer service specific to this situation and other situations. they just aren't very consumer friendly with their communication.

the reason the issues keeps getting brought up is:

1. people frsutrated by the situation
2. people frustrated about people posting about their frustration

If you look at the number of posts about banding it's actually funny. There are more people posting to tell people not to post about banding than there are posts from people annoyed with banding. Go figure.
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With the reports of many newer and serviced D200s showing little to no signs of banding (even Type I banding), this issue would appear to be playing itself out if left alone. But now we have another candidate thread for 150 posts. And forum members wonder why the banding topic sits at the top of this forum!

I really wish we could stick to the reports of newly purchased or serviced D200s with regards to banding. Many new D200 owners have added their comments to existing threads, which helps keep the number of banding threads to a minimum.
 
You are a chatty Cathy.
Repetition is your forte.
Differing opinions don't count.
You want a FF and you want everyone to know it.
 
SergioRZ said:
Totally unrealistic and unecessary. You show very little
understanding of what people are talking about here. It's sad :(
Click to expand...
While I've always considered the banding-basher mob to be dull and redundant, you're taking it to whole new level.

Way to raise that bar! Bravo!

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All D200's have banding.

Wait, let me explain. I have been watching the banding debate, and I am weary of the fight.
I am new here, but I will throw in my perspective nonetheless.

Here is why I think all D200's have banding. Disclaimer: I am not an engineer, just a retired scientist and 45 year photo hobbiest.

Please correct any inaccuracies in my assumptions. But if you agree with them, then you must agree with my conclusion.

1. From the photographic evidence here and on other forums, banding in the D200 does exist.

2. From posts by engineers, banding is caused by an imbalance in the two amps/AD converters (don't know the exact technical term, I'll just call them amps) that read the data from the CCD. They read vertically in two pixel strips. Where an imbalance between the amps is large enough, the output produces relatively light and dark vertical strips two pixels wide, thus banding.

3. Significantly, the amps are reading an ANALOG value, not a DIGITAL one. That is, they are reading a voltage say in the range of 0 to 1.0 vdc (I don't know what the real voltage is). This is complicated electronics. For a given input, the two amps will never read exactly the same value. Sure they may might read .111111 and .111112, but the difference is probably NOT detectable in the output. In some situations, for some reason, an imbalance will cause the amps to read different values, and the result MAY be detectable in the output (as banding). In other situations, an imbalance will cause the amps to read VERY different values, and the result WILL be detectable in the output. It's a continuum, that goes from not detectable to very obvious. Banding is not ON or OFF; there or not there. It's always there.

4. By design, the D200 will never PERFECTLY read the output from the CCD because the dual amps will never read exactly the same voltage for a given input! Every D200 image will have vestiges of what is essentially patterned noise (banding). For most images, it is NOT DETECTABLE because it's at an even lower level than the random noise that is also in every image.

5. Just because we can't see something, it doesn't mean it is not there! There is random noise in every image. If we look close enough we can see it, but it does not generally effect practical picture quality. Sure, shoot ISO 3200 and the random noise is a bit of a problem.

6. I submit that the MECHANISM that produces bandings is inherent to the D200 design and will effect every image. Most of the time it does not effect practical picture quality because it is not even visible above the random noise. Sure, shoot ISO 400 directly into a lightbulb or sunlit window and the banding may be a bit of a problem.

Let's rationally try to understand this banding issue. It seems clear to me that the design of the D200 created some massive engineering challenges. The design also introduced an additonal source of noice to the images. Nikon worked hard to minimize this patterned noise, but clearly it can not be reduced to non-detectable levels in every camera for every photographic situation. That's just the reality. Everyone can judge for themselves if this camere is for them

Personally, I'm on the waiting list for one.
 
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