A Comparison of MFT and APS-C Systems

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As a young person (21) who chose MFT as their ILC system of choice, you might be wondering what led me to this decision. After all, even if FF is too bulky for me, surely there is an APS-C system out there that would meet my needs as well as MFT could, right?

I have been researching APS-C systems and comparing them to MFT and to one another for months, and my conclusions always led me back to MFT as the ideal system for my use case.

Before I start, I should mention that I almost exclusively shoot long focal lengths, from 60mm to 1000mm eqiv, and that is why smartphones can't cut it for me: even phones with a dedicated telephoto use a tiny sensor behind that lens (1/2- to 1/4-type), and will never match the IQ and flexibility of a telephoto zoom lens for an ILC.

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First, I would like to get this straight: the difference between an MFT sensor's and an APS-C sensor's size is nowhere near that of between the latter's and Full Frame's:

MFT = 225 mm^2

Canon's APS-C = 330 mm^2

Other's APS-C = 370 mm^2

Full Frame = 860 mm^2

If we divide a FF sensor's area by an APS-C sensor's, we get 2.32, or 2.6 for Canon. Meaning a Full Frame sensor is over twice the area of an APS-C sensor.

In contrast, if we do the same for APS-C and MFT, we get 1.64, or 1.46 for Canon. Meaning an APS-C sensor is just about 50% larger than an MFT sensor.

That is why, when comparing FF and APS-C lenses, I will apply a stop's factor to the aperture, but when comparing the latter with MFT lenses, I will apply just half a stop.

In addition, I would like to mention this graph I got from Photons to Photos, and explore its implications:

This graph compares the DR of my Lumix G9, and a contemporary APS-C camera, the Sony A6700
This graph compares the DR of my Lumix G9, and a contemporary APS-C camera, the Sony A6700

If we take the graph at face value, it means my Lumix G9, which possesses an MFT sensor, has identical dynamic range to one of the most well regarded APS-C cameras, the Sony A6700. The implications of this would be huge: if an MFT camera has the dynamic range of an APS-C camera, there would be no need to apply a crop factor to the apertures at all when comparing their lenses. Despite that, when proceeding, I will apply half a stop of equivalence, just in case the graph is misleading.

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Next, I will be comparing each extant mirrorless APS-C system to MFT, and compare them.

Let's begin with the hardest APS-C system to justify buying into (lol), Canon RF-S.

First thing first, I have absolutely nothing against Canon or their users. I actually were one of their users for years.

The Canon APS-C camera lineup consists of the mediocre R100, the brilliant R50, the excellent R10 (which I used to own), and the flagship-grade R7. I have no doubt the R10 and R7 can keep up with any Sony, Fujifilm, or MFT camera out there, and they represent excellent value for money.

However, the situation changes immediatly once we start looking at lens choices. As for dedicated RF-S glass, there are currently only four lenses, among them one of the most badly-designed kit lenses of recent times, the RF-S 18-45mm f/4.5-6.3 . For some bizarre reason, the lens is perhaps the slowest kit lens out there, while only starting at 18mm, and is still significantly bigger than its primary competitor, the Nikon Z DX 16-50mm f/3.5-6.3 . Apart from those four zooms, Canon seems fixated on the idea that I should put bulky FF glass on my APS-C camera, and famously banned any AF third-party lenses from its mount.

As for why FF glass on APS-C bodies makes no sense, let me show here three examples:

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In this example, we can see the 100-400mm lens that Tony Northrup recommended to mount on the R10 and R7 to get into super-telephoto territory, compared to the Lumix 100-300, with a far faster aperture to boot (remember we are mounting the 100-400mm on an APS-C body). The Canon 100-400 is also the most economical telephoto Canon makes, at about 700$, but still breaks the bank (and the back!) compared to the Panasonic's 300$ price tag.

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Here we can see how big (and expensive!) Canon's means of getting the R10 to 800mm eqiv is, compared to the Panasonic equivalent, which again is slightly faster as well.

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At the extreme end of this, we see how comically large a telephoto f/2.8 prime for the R10 would be, compared to the Panasonic 200mm f/2.8 (which is a slightly shorter focal length, though).

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Next, Nikon Z DX currently has three bodies to choose from, the EVF-less Z30, the Z50 with no fully-articulating screen, and the retro-inspired ZFC.

Internally, they are the same camera, but with a decent but outpaced 10fps burst, and 4k30 8-bit video. What I pointed out is the main weakness, of the system: it's bodies can't really compete with like of the R10, the A6700, and the XS20. In contarst, even my 6-year-old Lumix G9 can easily compete with the newer APS-C cameras I just mentioned.

Glass-wise, the situation is far better than Canon, despite the relative lack of Nikon Z DX glass, due to a fair amount of third-party support: Sigma, 7Artisans, and Sirui all have made excellent AF primes for the system. However, as I mentioned at the beginning, I mostly shoot long telephotos, and the third-party support is nearly non-existent at this focal lengths.

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Again, the main super-telephoto zoom for the Z50 dwarfs the Lumix 100-300 in size, because it was designed not for the Z50, but for FF bodies.

Nikon has indeed introduced far more telephoto glass than Canon did in recent years, yet none particularly make sense for an APS-C body.

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Now, before we dive into Sony's E-mount, I would like to mention that apart from the ZVE10 and A6700, Sony's APS-C bodies were all introduced at least three years ago, and Sony is notorious for not providing firmware updates for its cameras.

Meaning, if I were to make the mistake of buying an A6400 and expecting modern performance, I would instead be greeted with the worst menu system known to humankind, and AF which was class leading when introduced, but lacks the modern subject recognition modes that newer cameras have.

In contrast, not only did the G9 have an actually navigable menu out-of-the-box, but received firmware updates from Panasonic for years, making it practically a new camera.

Sony's APS-C bodies consist of the brand-new A6700, the beginner-friendly ZVE10, the video-oriented FX30, and the bodies released years ago, the A6600 and its predecessors.

Of these, only the A6700 and FX30 are even remotely comparable to even the G9, let alone the OM1 and G9-2, in their capabilities. The A6700 (which does not have dual card slots for some reason, despite the price) comes the closest, with a fully-articulating-screen, an EVF, and 4k60 full-width, as well as 4k120 cropped.

However, if I wanted to capture action with it I would be out of luck as the A6700's fastest burst rate is a mere 11fps, regardless of what shutter mode it uses. In addition, knowing from Sony's FF cameras, it is possible that it would slow down even further if I mounted a third-party lens on it.

As for glass, Sony has one of the best lens ecosystems out there, owing to a large degree on the many third-party lenses. Yet, If I were to desire a long telephoto, the only dedicated APS-C lens from Sony would be the 70-350mm, which is fairly large for an APS-C lens:

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As we can see, a slightly-faster Panasonic 45-200 is far smaller than the Sony 70-350 .

Other than that, most lenses are largely competitive size wise.

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Finally, let's look at perhaps the best-regarded APS-C system on the market, Fujifilm X-mount.

Fuji's mount is the only APS-C mount that is not shared with FF bodies, giving it the rare advantage of an actual dedicated lens ecosystem, similarly to MFT.

Bodies wise, Fuji's most important for me are the XT-30 II (for its size) and the XS20 (for its performance). Unlike the A6700, the XS20 is capable of shooting at 20fps, or 30fps with a crop, making it (as well as its more expensive relatives) the only APS-C cameras capable of keeping up with the R10 and R7, while also supporting third-party lenses.

However, Fuji's AF, for all the improvements it got over the years, is still somewhat behind the industry's best (Sony, Canon, Nikon, and Panasonic), and the IBIS is also somewhat worse in video compared to Panasonic, OM, and Nikon.

There is also the issue that a lot of Fuji gear, as a result of online hype, got more expensive than it should have been, raising the barrier to entry.

Glass wise, Fuji glass is known to be among the best-made for APS-C, but also very expensive. The latter is somewhat mitigated by the wide third-party support, with lenses such as the godly Sigma f/2.8 zooms and f/1.4 primes, as well as from 7Artisans, Sirui, and Viltrox.

In addition, Fuji is perhaps the only manufaturer with a fair amount of APS-C telephotos to choose from. Despite that, these telephotos tend to be not only extremely expensive, but also far bigger than any comparable APS-C or MFT lenses, often more similar to FF lenses in size.

Let's look at the following examples:

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The Fuji 100-400 is so bulky, that a Full-Frame Sigma 100-400 is similar in size (and half the price). As a result, Sigma actually did port the lens to X-mount, despite it being a FF lens. Here they both are next to the Panasonic 100-300 .

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Here we can see Fuji's enourmous equivalent of a 70-200 FF lens, next to Panasonic's equivalent.

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Even the "double-kit-lens filler" medium telephoto is this big, next to a Panasonic lens that is an entire stop faster on the long end (which easily makes up for equivalnce).

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Same conclusion from the 100-400 FF equiv lenses.

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At the most extreme, we get the "Big White Sharp" 200mm f/2, next to the closest MFT equivalents. Notice the 150 would require a FT-MFT adapter, while the 75 would require a teleconverter, assuming it's compatible with one.

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Lastly, let's look at what is supposed to be a tiny kit lens. Instead, it's far bigger than the MFT equivalent, as well as many other APS-C kit lenses.

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In contrast to all those APS-C systems we looked at, MFT easily checks all boxes for me:

A "crop" sensor system, with lenses much smaller than FF, with many third-party lenses, with many compact telephotos, at easily reache-able prices, and with bodies ranging from the tiny GM1, to the flagship G9-2.

For whoever read through my ramble, I hope you found this useful, and maybe, just maybe, I will stop seeing people compare APS-C to FF, but MFT to smatphones.
 
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M43 is a unique system. I've been using it for 13+ years, most of the time as my primary system, for the reasons you state: I shoot a lot of long telephoto and carrying larger sensored cameras means a lot larger lenses to get the same reach.

And, I have small hands, and some arthritis, so total weight of the system is important. Plus, I just don't enjoy shooting as much when the camera/lens is too heavy.

I do have FF for the things it does better. The times I have used APS-C, I have been frustrated with it for all the reasons you state, so that's sort of a dead end. However, I find that unless I am shooting specifically in the areas that FF is better, I will use the M43 instead. It's just a lot easier to carry and shoot with.

The thing is, posts like yours, here, are kind of preaching to the converted. If you put anything like this on any other photo board, the equivalence police will drop in and snap your head off. So, we all may appreciate it, and agree, but the rest of the photo community has its head somewhere else about this and will sneer.

It's too bad, as it really is an excellent system.

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I was watching a media badged photographer capturing charity volunteers with her phone today. She had a Fuji hanging from her neck. It did look a bit cute, and as small as my OM5.

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A lot of small newspapers are just having their reporters capture images with iPhones, after having eliminated their photographers. The right tool is the one that does the job needed. The photog with the Fuji isn't going to be printing 30x40 inch art prints, and what she has, I'm sure, works perfectly well for her needs.
 
A lot of small newspapers are just having their reporters capture images with iPhones, after having eliminated their photographers. The right tool is the one that does the job needed. The photog with the Fuji isn't going to be printing 30x40 inch art prints, and what she has, I'm sure, works perfectly well for her needs.
We have lots of 8x6” prints from phones. For most media that’s enough.

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An informative summary of lenses available for each system to give similar field of view.

MFT has some great advantages, and some unique lenses that aren't available in other formats or are difficult to replicate based on features and focal length. I think the OM 8-25mm, 90mm macro, 150-400mm, and Panasonic 10-25mm, 25-50mm are great examples of this.

One variable that should be taken into account is the ability to crop some APS-C models. By my calculations, the R7 (33 MP) and X-T5/X-H2 (40 MP) have similar pixel densities to MFT. So, images can be cropped to a similar field of view and still have a resolution of ~20 MP (not exact, but pretty close though).

This means we can compare lenses with the same focal lengths across RF, X, and MFT. This also reduces the size advantage of some MFT lenses.

Some Canon RF lenses are tempting options, including 70-200mm f4, 100-400mm f5.6-8, 100-500 f4.5-7.1, and 200-800mm f6.3-9. These are not substantially heavier or larger than MFT lenses like 50-200mm, 100-400mm, and 150-600mm. However, the Canon lenses do have a slower aperture at the long ends.

I think comparisons should also be done the other way, by searching for lenses that can provide equivalent reach to the affordable Canon 600mm f11 and 800mm f11 (for example). Using them on an R7 could provide a 2x field of view crop (1200 and 1600mm, respectively). Both lenses are also compatible with 1.4x and 2x TC! I believe it is only possible to achieve similar field of view using the OM 300mm f4 plus 2x TC or the 100mm+ zooms plus TC. These lose the size advantage of MFT.

The price is another factor. In NZ, I could purchase a Canon R7 plus Canon 100-400mm for roughly the same price as an OM-5 plus Oly 100-400mm lens. Both options would have similar effective reach, but the R7 would probably be easier to handle.

I did consider purchasing an R7 and 100-400mm. However, I am sticking with OM for now, as I got the OM 100-400mm second-hand at a great price.

I like the OM-5 because it is a small, lightweight, weather-resistant camera, with some useful photo modes. This combination of features was as important to me as the types of lenses available. It makes a great travel companion when combined with the 8-25mm and 40-150mm F4.

If someone is willing to crop, APS-C can achieve the same focal range as MFT, often using similarly sized lenses, and sometimes at a much lower cost.
 
It all comes down to sensor size. U take diagonal of sensor and thats will be "normal" focus (+/-) everything bigger will be zoom, everything smaller will be wide angle.

And quality in end will come down to pixel density and computational power. I understand that lot of folks do post processing but lot more dont do it.

From size of sensor depends lense size.

From sensor size depends camera size.

Camera and lense should be small! But again it should have enough size to be handy. Too small is not good, too big is not good.

Also the smaller the lense the harder its to get high quality.

Same goes for sensor.

In long history of photography the manufacturers was trying to get smaller size. It stoped on 35mm for long time as the quality/size was adequate, everything smaller and it could not be produced with decent quality in photography size. Everything bigger and with was burden. Now everything is same only posibility to chose is bigger.

In end will win APS-C or M43. FF is just to hold to old gone times when 35mm was standart.

Problem with M43 is that they marketing is lagging behind. If i dont see camera on shelf in hardware store i may not know it exists and if i can not check it i may mot even consider to buy it. And i will most probably buy the camera which are on shelf.
 
Instead of using the X-T5 as an example you should have used the X-S20. It is smaller than the G9, G9ii and the Olympus OM-1. Plus Fringer makes adapters for Nikon F-mount and Canon EF mount lenses with full autofocus and exposure. I have tried the Viltrox NF-M1 adapter for F-mount lenses on MFT but sadly it is lacking in AF performance. There are a number of great MFT lenses that keep me in the system but body size is not the main reason anymore.
 
Full frame is catching up though in the 'light wildlife hiking' primes department.

Nikon 600mm f6.3 Nikon 400mm f4.5 and the recently announced Sigma 500mm F5.6.



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Now let's wait how many megapixels that S1RII will have, and hopefully it has animal-eye detect. Sigma 500mm F5.6 on L-mount, same compact package, compared to mft.

Pricewise MFT still has an edge compared to FF.
 
The point was comparing lenses though...

And if smaller bodies, I can bring the EM-10 and GM5 to the comparison. Which one is smaller now?

And there are plenty of adapters, including speed boosters, for MFT as well.
 
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In contrast, if we do the same for APS-C and MFT, we get 1.64, or 1.46 for Canon. Meaning an APS-C sensor is just about 50% larger than an MFT sensor.

That is why, when comparing FF and APS-C lenses, I will apply a stop's factor to the aperture, but when comparing the latter with MFT lenses, I will apply just half a stop.
I moved from FF + APSC combo to MFT, after a long careful deliberation and research as you did. I was prepared for a half-stop difference in IQ (noise, DR loss, etc.) for the size and video advantage.

However, DxO PL's introduction of Deep PRIME NR wiped out that gap for me. The photos I get from GH5II and GH6 up to ISO 12,800 are comparable to what I got from D7200 in the past. I still use both but mostly the MFT.

Oly 40-150/2.8, which gives the same FF FOV of 70-200mm on D7200 pushed me in this direction. No other system had a smaller zoom with this reach at F/2.8.

We also live and learn. I chose Panasonic bodies slightly larger than I would otherwise, because I started doing some video and these bodies are the best. Incidentally, I almost stopped doing videos and use them exclusively for stills!
In addition, I would like to mention this graph I got from Photons to Photos, and explore its implications:

This graph compares the DR of my Lumix G9, and a contemporary APS-C camera, the Sony A6700
This graph compares the DR of my Lumix G9, and a contemporary APS-C camera, the Sony A6700
I had not seen that comparison before but it is interesting.
Next, I will be comparing each extant mirrorless APS-C system to MFT, and compare them.
I lost interest in FF and APSC systems from the three or four leading brands because of the total cost after adding lenses. The increase in cost and weight wasn't giving proportional benefit in IQ and reach for my use.

I used both Canon and Nikon DSLRs in the past. I am always disappointed at their lack of APSC lenses. I ended up using the FF 70-200/2.8 and other Sigma/Tamron lenses.
In contrast to all those APS-C systems we looked at, MFT easily checks all boxes for me:
And it did for me.

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Yeah... Totally catching up... MFT's strength is mostly in zooms, though.

Besides, my post was comparing MFT and APS-C, not MFT and FF.

btw, thanks for letting me know there is a website with newer lenses to compare, the one I used is very slow on adding new lenses...
 
You wish. :)

You can not compare in terms of sharpness and microcontrast that Panasonic 100-300mm with the Nikon zoom and prime (although sharpness is not that critical in video). Oly or PL 100-400 is a better choice.

About zooms:

The 12-100mm F4 and the 8-25mm F4 are the only two I see better than apsc or ff. The first lens due to its sharpness throughout all(!) the zoom range and the second lens due to its unique focal range (sony is catching up).

The 45-175mm Electronic PowerZoom(!) is unique too. Remote control via phone.

I think MFT strength lies in cheap sharp primes. There are some excellent cheap(!) primes in mft:

PL 9mm (af)

Laowa 6mm 7.5mm 10mm

Laowa 2x macro 50mm

Sigma 16mm 30mm 56mm F1.4

Olympus 60mm macro 1x

20 years in the MFT system they should have released wildlife primes to make use of that 2 x crop factor. Only 1 available now officially. The 300mm f4 from Olympus. I still don't get it. They could have been the major player in wildlife compact primes.

I just might switch to L mount, with that Sigma 500mm f5.6. Tested on L-mount

 
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You wish. :)

You can not compare in terms of sharpness and microcontrast that Panasonic 100-300mm with the Nikon zoom and prime (although sharpness is not that critical in video). Oly or PL 100-400 is a better choice.
Thanks for telling me what lenses I am allowed to compare in your presence, o great lord.
 
EQ does come into it though and a 300mm lens is a 300mm lens.

All that is happing is that, lets take the Oly 300 F/4 for example, is that you are simply putting a 300mm on a smaller sensor camera. If you put an APS-C 300 F/4 or even a 300 F/4 FF lens and put it on the m4/3 camera, the size gets a lot closer physically.

With Fuji they have an adaptor to take Nikon teles and someone like Morris uses it to great effect.....

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/67593498

He knows what he is doing of course which helps. So you can easily mount most Nikon mirrorless lenses to Fuji APS-C.

I adapt a lot of tele lenses to m4/3 and also APS-C. The lens is the exact same length no matter what, because a 500mm is a 500m, it's not any other focal length. All I am doing is adding the lens to a much smaller sensor. The 500mm doesn't become a 750mm or a 1000mm magically.

If Nikon was still making the Nikon 1 series with a 1" sensor, using EQ, then the Nikon 1 would have much smaller lenses with what you are saying and it's as close to m4/3 as m4/3 is to APS-C.

All the best and it's all about the size of the sensor, not the physical focal length.

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EQ does come into it though and a 300mm lens is a 300mm lens.

All that is happing is that, lets take the Oly 300 F/4 for example, is that you are simply putting a 300mm on a smaller sensor camera. If you put an APS-C 300 F/4 or even a 300 F/4 FF lens and put it on the m4/3 camera, the size gets a lot closer physically.

With Fuji they have an adaptor to take Nikon teles and someone like Morris uses it to great effect.....

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/67593498

He knows what he is doing of course which helps. So you can easily mount most Nikon mirrorless lenses to Fuji APS-C.
It should be Nikon DSLR lenses (F mount, not Z mount).
I adapt a lot of tele lenses to m4/3 and also APS-C. The lens is the exact same length no matter what, because a 500mm is a 500m, it's not any other focal length. All I am doing is adding the lens to a much smaller sensor. The 500mm doesn't become a 750mm or a 1000mm magically.

If Nikon was still making the Nikon 1 series with a 1" sensor, using EQ, then the Nikon 1 would have much smaller lenses with what you are saying and it's as close to m4/3 as m4/3 is to APS-C.

All the best and it's all about the size of the sensor, not the physical focal length.

Danny. <--- run Danny, run ----->
 
The important thing is, you took the time to really think about what you want in a camera system and made a well-informed decision. MFT is very much fun and seven times lighter on Titan, you will barely notice the weight. Enjoy!
 
Also the smaller the lense the harder its to get high quality.
This is simply false.
In long history of photography the manufacturers was trying to get smaller size. It stoped on 35mm for long time as the quality/size was adequate, everything smaller and it could not be produced with decent quality in photography size. Everything bigger and with was burden. Now everything is same only posibility to chose is bigger.
Today's M43 sensors and lenses produce results that 35mm film shooters could only dream about 50 years ago.
In end will win APS-C or M43. FF is just to hold to old gone times when 35mm was standart.
APS-C is a dead-end. Quality isn't really any better than m43, but the systems are as big and heavy as FF. If you've got to use big FF lenses (and in most cases you do), why would you settle for lower IQ?
Problem with M43 is that they marketing is lagging behind. If i dont see camera on shelf in hardware store i may not know it exists and if i can not check it i may mot even consider to buy it. And i will most probably buy the camera which are on shelf.
Yes, marketing of m43 has always been an issue. Panasonic and OM Systems just don't have the budgets to compete with Canon, Nikon and Sony.
 

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