18-70

guyd78

Well-known member
Messages
174
Reaction score
0
Location
US
--
I found a good local deal on an 18-70 Nikkor.

My plan, after I purchase a D50 in the next few days, is to start with the 35 prime followed by the Sigma 10-20, 105 prime, and 70-300VR.

Would the 18-70 be a good lens for landscapes? I guess I'm wondering if I would be better off sticking to what I had "planned" on or dumping the $500 Sigma ultra-wide for the used 18-70? Do landscape shooters find the 18-70 wide enough on a dx sensor?

I had thought about the 20 prime, but too much $$ for a lens that has too many mixed reviews.

Thanks. Again.
 
guy:

Most people want something wider than 18 mm on DX for lanscapes. Since you've made the reference to DX, you must be thinking in terms of 35 mm. The 18 mm on DX gives the same FoV as 12 mm on 35 mm film. You must know what that does for you.

Obviously, you have a gap between 20 and 70 with your current selections -- prime being ignored. Only you know what you will be using this gear for, so only you will know whether the 35 mm prime will be sufficient to fill the gap or not.

Most here regard the 18-70 as an excellent buy. Used, the price is even better. You do have to worry about used lenses. However, it is very natural and very common to sell the 18-70 to finance an upgrade rather than because it was a problem.

msc
--
I found a good local deal on an 18-70 Nikkor.

My plan, after I purchase a D50 in the next few days, is to start
with the 35 prime followed by the Sigma 10-20, 105 prime, and
70-300VR.

Would the 18-70 be a good lens for landscapes? I guess I'm wondering
if I would be better off sticking to what I had "planned" on or
dumping the $500 Sigma ultra-wide for the used 18-70? Do landscape
shooters find the 18-70 wide enough on a dx sensor?

I had thought about the 20 prime, but too much $$ for a lens that has
too many mixed reviews.

Thanks. Again.
 
The 18-70 is a very good and versatile lens for the price.

I would think twice before buying the 35mm because the focal lens is well covered by the 18-70 and all you would get is a couple of stops more at non-exciting IQ. If you need the extra couple of stops then fine.
--
Best Regards,
Renato
 
If you plan on using the 18-70 predominantly at 18 mm please note that there is a considerable amount of distorsion at that FL some of which is of the moustache type.
18 mm is NOT a FL that is very strong on this lens.
--
Best Regards,
Renato
 
The 10-20 is excellent for landscapes (stopped down), and (a good copy of) the 18-70 is a great general purpose lens - I should know, I kept mine as a backup and lightweight alternative even after getting the 24-70. In your situation, I would certainly choose it instead of the 35, especially since we don't know what new primes are coming from Nikon. I agree with Renato that it's not at its best at 18 mm, but on the other hand, the Sigma is. If you go along those lines you will have unbroken FL coverage from 10 mm to 300 mm and a very capable and versatile macro/portrait lens as icing on the cake (I'm assuming you're getting the 105 Micro). I'd say that's a very respectable kit, provided you're not planning to go FF in the near future. Also, both the 18-70 and the 70-300 have 67 mm filter threads, which means that you can get a polarizer for the Sigma (77 mm) and a 67-77 step-up ring for the other zooms. The 35 mm takes 52 mm filters.

Grelber
 
18mm used on DX is 18*1.5 -> 27mm, not 12mm
the angle won't be that wide!
12mm for landscape would be interesting, but it's not true

there is a 8mm Sigma, which would give you effective 12mm, but it's a fisheye
Most people want something wider than 18 mm on DX for lanscapes.
Since you've made the reference to DX, you must be thinking in terms
of 35 mm. The 18 mm on DX gives the same FoV as 12 mm on 35 mm film.
You must know what that does for you.
 
Hi Guy,

this is a slight departure but one solution which worked for me - I have the 18-70 and it isn't a bad lens at all, in fact providing you get a good copy it's a very good addition and decent general purpose walk-around lens but, at the wide end it's got quite strong barreling which is not ideal for wider shots of buildings etc or those which include people unless they are in the centre of the fame, which is why I never use it these days.

I shoot mostly people and purchased a s/h Nikon 20-35mm f2.8 D and it's a cracking lens even wide open with minimal distortion throughout and it is near as good as the primes which cover the 20-35mm range. I then purchased a s/h 35-70mm f2.8 D and it's superb too, again with minimal distortions and extremely sharp. The reason why these two zooms are so good is that they are 1.75 & 2x respectively so, they are more easily corrected for distortions during manufacture and are better lenses for working with people. Apart from the 18-70, I only own one other lens which is greater than a 2x zoom for the above reasons.

I also own a 50 f1.4, an 85 f1.8, a 75-150 Series E, 105 2.5 (manual) and 70-210 ( manual Series E ) - all are good copies but the three lenses I use mostly are the first two mentioned and the Series E 75-150mm f3.5, the rest I use as and when they would maybe do the job better. The SE 75-150 lens is excellent and can be found dirt cheap and the copy I own is very sharp even wide open - these three lenses cover most of my needs.

As to your needs - you have not yet purchased a DSLR and the D50 is a nice entry level and excellent choice camera. However, if you are buying into a system for the first time, then I would advise you to look ahead and purchase only lenses which are suitable for full frame cameras rather than DX format as I'm quite sure once you have the DSLR photography 'bug' you will eventually go for a FF camera when they become cheaper which they eventually must!

Buying S/H can be scary and fraught with risks but I've done ok and if you find that a lens doesn't quite fit your needs as you progress, if it's a good quality lens like my 20-35 or 35-70, then one can re-sell with virtually no finacial loss as they are sought after lenses.

If you intend to shoot dramatic & wide landscapes then either a 10-20 or 12-24 is a good lens to purchase but for starters & general use and if your budget allows it, I would skip the 18-70 and put the money towards a used 20-35 f2.8 D and a 35-70 f2.8 D ( which does have a macro facility at the wide end). These two will cost only about 40% (-ish s/h) of the highly sought 24-70 and give slightly wider coverage with little difference in IQ. You can then add your 70-300 VR which will give you a good start to meeting your needs. As there would be no need for a 35mm if you went down that route, you can also put that money towards one of the others I have suggested.

Other lenses such as the ultra wides can then be purchased as and when you feel they are needed. Lenses are generally seen as long term investments while camera bodies are seen as shorter term purchases - a good lens can last maybe 20-30 years if looked after so it's better to start with good lenses and upgrade bodies as they become obsolete or wear out. While DX lenses will be ok with your D50, in the long term, lenses suitable for full frame will be more practical and better purchases and reduce any financial losses through upgrading to a minimum. Also, don't be affraid of looking at older manual AI or AIS lenses - there are some bargains to be had. At the end of the day, it's you who will be using the lenses and while others such as myself can offer their personal views, in the end it's down to you to choose those which best fit your needs.
Regards...
Tony

--
The only thing that gets sharper with use is a woman's tongue!
http://www.le-femme.co.uk
 
18mm used on DX is 18*1.5 -> 27mm, not 12mm
the angle won't be that wide!
12mm for landscape would be interesting, but it's not true
Yes, the brian apparently was on personal leave when I wrote that.

msc
 

Keyboard shortcuts

Back
Top