Hand-held macro shots

Yes I tried the paper diffuser trying to get to f22 but couldn't with that working distance. I will study these.

Did you see this on macro focusing:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=9215229

Thanks for doing this.
With a flash! Ssee the entire gallery for notes on why I took these
pictures and what I was trying to discover.

http://www.pbase.com/fjp/byp_2004_07_jul_10

Here are some samples from that gallery, not necessarily the best:













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FJP
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Stinson
D-70, 18-70 kit, Sigma 70-300 II APO, C-750, D-40, B-300, Nikon 4T macro, PS CS
http://www.StinsonsTerra.NikonD70Gallery.photoshare.co.nz
http://www.StinsonsTerra.StinsonsC750Gallery.PhotoShare.co.nz
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/view?id=64739
ViewExif at http://ak.no-ip.com/EXIF/

 
Great work!!! Going to your gallery now...
Thanks. Using flash with macro photography, I'm always worried about generating specular reflections off the subject, which gives an unnatural look. But I didn't see much of a problem in these. We could attribute this to the diffuser, but also none of my subjects were very shiny. When I was doing a lot of ring flash work with the 105mm Micro Nikkor, I was taking pictures of mushrooms and plants in the rainforest, where there was a lot of wet subjects and I was picking up specular reflections all the time, and I received complaints about them from critics!

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FJP
 
Thanks. Using flash with macro photography, I'm always worried
about generating specular reflections off the subject, which gives
an unnatural look. But I didn't see much of a problem in these. We
could attribute this to the diffuser, but also none of my subjects
were very shiny. When I was doing a lot of ring flash work with the
105mm Micro Nikkor, I was taking pictures of mushrooms and plants
in the rainforest, where there was a lot of wet subjects and I was
picking up specular reflections all the time, and I received
complaints about them from critics!
Would using a polarizing filter help to cut flash reflections on wet/shiny macro subjects?

Would you have to put another polarizer on the flash itself to really get this to work? A friend of mine does that when photographing glass-fronted art.

-- Matt
Gallery - http://www.imageevent.com/pmattf
 
Thanks. Using flash with macro photography, I'm always worried
about generating specular reflections off the subject, which gives
an unnatural look. But I didn't see much of a problem in these. We
could attribute this to the diffuser, but also none of my subjects
were very shiny. When I was doing a lot of ring flash work with the
105mm Micro Nikkor, I was taking pictures of mushrooms and plants
in the rainforest, where there was a lot of wet subjects and I was
picking up specular reflections all the time, and I received
complaints about them from critics!
Would using a polarizing filter help to cut flash reflections on
wet/shiny macro subjects?
Possibly, but I don't know how that would work with a ring flash. How would you turn the polarizer if the ring flash was in the way?
Would you have to put another polarizer on the flash itself to
really get this to work? A friend of mine does that when
photographing glass-fronted art.
For birds behind glass in a zoo, you don't need the polarizer, because you just shoot off on an angle. I once did this in the Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago. Standing there in front of the glass bird cages, the reflections were so bad to the human eye you could hardly see the birds. But when I got the slides back, I was amazed to see that the intensity of the flash had completely washed out the reflections and the birds were seen crystal clear, as if no glass were separating them from me. I saw the birds clearly for the first time in the slides!

Keep in mind that birds are not bothered by electronic flashes. It's as if they aren't even there. I have noticed this all my life taking pictures of birds in zoos and pet parrots in my own home.

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FJP
 
Yes I tried the paper diffuser trying to get to f22 but couldn't
with that working distance.
Paper diffuser? What's that? Did you use the SB-800 plastic diffuser? That easily gets to f/22, is slightly underexposed at f/32, and that's with the head pointing directly at the subject (7 1/2 degrees below the horizontal), although with the diffuser I'm not sure what difference it makes the angle you set the flash.

Note my shutter speed setting: 1/500 of a second. I wanted to make sure that it was only the flash that participated in the exposure. I deliberately did not want balance-fill, and shot in manual mode (let the flash supply (virtually) all the light). This is what it would have to do anyhow deep in the forest.
No, I did not. If I understand this correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong), you set the camera up as described, press the trigger, then move back and forth until you hit the focus and the shutter automatically goes off. That would be fantastic (and exactly what hand-held macro photography would need) if this is true. Can't wait to try it out.
Thanks for doing this.
Thank you for giving me that reference on macro focusing.

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FJP
 
I have not tried it. I am working on figuring this stuff out. Also working on whether I am going to get the sharpness I want out of the Macro APO II or should I get their new 105mm macro.

Please promise to post your results back here.
Yes I tried the paper diffuser trying to get to f22 but couldn't
with that working distance.
Paper diffuser? What's that? Did you use the SB-800 plastic
diffuser? That easily gets to f/22, is slightly underexposed at
f/32, and that's with the head pointing directly at the subject (7
1/2 degrees below the horizontal), although with the diffuser I'm
not sure what difference it makes the angle you set the flash.

Note my shutter speed setting: 1/500 of a second. I wanted to make
sure that it was only the flash that participated in the exposure.
I deliberately did not want balance-fill, and shot in manual mode
(let the flash supply (virtually) all the light). This is what it
would have to do anyhow deep in the forest.
No, I did not. If I understand this correctly (please correct me if
I'm wrong), you set the camera up as described, press the trigger,
then move back and forth until you hit the focus and the shutter
automatically goes off. That would be fantastic (and exactly what
hand-held macro photography would need) if this is true. Can't wait
to try it out.
Thanks for doing this.
Thank you for giving me that reference on macro focusing.

--
FJP
--
Stinson
D-70, 18-70 kit, Sigma 70-300 II APO, C-750, D-40, B-300, Nikon 4T macro, PS CS
http://www.StinsonsTerra.NikonD70Gallery.photoshare.co.nz
http://www.StinsonsTerra.StinsonsC750Gallery.PhotoShare.co.nz
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/view?id=64739
ViewExif at http://ak.no-ip.com/EXIF/

 

Please promise to post your results back here.
Yes I tried the paper diffuser trying to get to f22 but couldn't
with that working distance.
Paper diffuser? What's that? Did you use the SB-800 plastic
diffuser? That easily gets to f/22, is slightly underexposed at
f/32, and that's with the head pointing directly at the subject (7
1/2 degrees below the horizontal), although with the diffuser I'm
not sure what difference it makes the angle you set the flash.

Note my shutter speed setting: 1/500 of a second. I wanted to make
sure that it was only the flash that participated in the exposure.
I deliberately did not want balance-fill, and shot in manual mode
(let the flash supply (virtually) all the light). This is what it
would have to do anyhow deep in the forest.
No, I did not. If I understand this correctly (please correct me if
I'm wrong), you set the camera up as described, press the trigger,
then move back and forth until you hit the focus and the shutter
automatically goes off. That would be fantastic (and exactly what
hand-held macro photography would need) if this is true. Can't wait
to try it out.
Thanks for doing this.
Thank you for giving me that reference on macro focusing.

--
FJP
--
Stinson
D-70, 18-70 kit, Sigma 70-300 II APO, C-750, D-40, B-300, Nikon 4T
macro, PS CS
http://www.StinsonsTerra.NikonD70Gallery.photoshare.co.nz
http://www.StinsonsTerra.StinsonsC750Gallery.PhotoShare.co.nz
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/view?id=64739
ViewExif at http://ak.no-ip.com/EXIF/

--
Stinson
D-70, 18-70 kit, Sigma 70-300 II APO, C-750, D-40, B-300, Nikon 4T macro, PS CS
http://www.StinsonsTerra.NikonD70Gallery.photoshare.co.nz
http://www.StinsonsTerra.StinsonsC750Gallery.PhotoShare.co.nz
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/view?id=64739
ViewExif at http://ak.no-ip.com/EXIF/

 
With a flash! Ssee the entire gallery for notes on why I took these
pictures and what I was trying to discover.

http://www.pbase.com/fjp/byp_2004_07_jul_10
I am also at the early stages of deciding on a macro lense... and also considering the Tamron 180mm... what ultimately made you settle on that particular lens over other similar ones you have (no doubt) checked out?

es
--
Around the day in 80 worlds.
 
In camera and what else please?
Please promise to post your results back here.
Yes I tried the paper diffuser trying to get to f22 but couldn't
with that working distance.
Paper diffuser? What's that? Did you use the SB-800 plastic
diffuser? That easily gets to f/22, is slightly underexposed at
f/32, and that's with the head pointing directly at the subject (7
1/2 degrees below the horizontal), although with the diffuser I'm
not sure what difference it makes the angle you set the flash.

Note my shutter speed setting: 1/500 of a second. I wanted to make
sure that it was only the flash that participated in the exposure.
I deliberately did not want balance-fill, and shot in manual mode
(let the flash supply (virtually) all the light). This is what it
would have to do anyhow deep in the forest.
No, I did not. If I understand this correctly (please correct me if
I'm wrong), you set the camera up as described, press the trigger,
then move back and forth until you hit the focus and the shutter
automatically goes off. That would be fantastic (and exactly what
hand-held macro photography would need) if this is true. Can't wait
to try it out.
Thanks for doing this.
Thank you for giving me that reference on macro focusing.

--
FJP
--
Stinson
D-70, 18-70 kit, Sigma 70-300 II APO, C-750, D-40, B-300, Nikon 4T
macro, PS CS
http://www.StinsonsTerra.NikonD70Gallery.photoshare.co.nz
http://www.StinsonsTerra.StinsonsC750Gallery.PhotoShare.co.nz
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/view?id=64739
ViewExif at http://ak.no-ip.com/EXIF/

--
Stinson
D-70, 18-70 kit, Sigma 70-300 II APO, C-750, D-40, B-300, Nikon 4T macro, PS CS
http://www.StinsonsTerra.NikonD70Gallery.photoshare.co.nz
http://www.StinsonsTerra.StinsonsC750Gallery.PhotoShare.co.nz
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/view?id=64739
ViewExif at http://ak.no-ip.com/EXIF/

 
Nice! That locust is right where he's supposed to be to avoid detection. But I guess you were smarter than the locust.



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FJP
 
In camera and what else please?
Hmmm...well, I shoot raw. Then I use NC to read the NEF files and make a preliminary setting of the levels (it's very inaccurate compared to PS, but it's a start) and save to TIFF. I didn't have to change the white balance for any of these macros, since (virtually) all the light came from the SB-800 and Nikon knows what color that is. In PS, I fine tune the levels, and sample down with "Bicubic Sharper" to my screen resolution (1920x1440), and if the focus was spot on (most of the time for shots I save) I USM 70, 0.7, 0 and save to JPEG. Then I sample down one more time for images I display on the WEB to 1024x768, and apply no more USM.

Anything else you want to know?

--
FJP
 
With a flash! Ssee the entire gallery for notes on why I took these
pictures and what I was trying to discover.

http://www.pbase.com/fjp/byp_2004_07_jul_10
I am also at the early stages of deciding on a macro lense... and
also considering the Tamron 180mm... what ultimately made you
settle on that particular lens over other similar ones you have (no
doubt) checked out?
Oh, that baby is SWEET! From reports I've read, it's as sharp as the Nikon 200mm Micro at half the price and weighs less, and its working distance is about the same. Plus, mechanically, it is a dream. The manual focus is silky smooth and precise, so different from the crude Sigma I was playing with for the images I posted here in this thread. I can't wait until I can spring for it (any month now LOL) and get my hands on it. The autofocus is slow, but the way you're supposed to use it doesn't matter (manual focus to get within a ballpark, then autofocus for touch up to perfection). The manual focus ring is very wide, so unlike the thin ring on the Sigma. This lens was built with manual focus in mind, exactly what a true macro lens should be designed for.

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FJP
 
Can't think of anything right now, except this. Even though you shoot NEF, what is your camera set too. My understanding is that NC starts with your camera settings. Do you have no sharpening? I understand the rest of your work flow.
In camera and what else please?
Hmmm...well, I shoot raw. Then I use NC to read the NEF files and
make a preliminary setting of the levels (it's very inaccurate
compared to PS, but it's a start) and save to TIFF. I didn't have
to change the white balance for any of these macros, since
(virtually) all the light came from the SB-800 and Nikon knows what
color that is. In PS, I fine tune the levels, and sample down with
"Bicubic Sharper" to my screen resolution (1920x1440), and if the
focus was spot on (most of the time for shots I save) I USM 70,
0.7, 0 and save to JPEG. Then I sample down one more time for
images I display on the WEB to 1024x768, and apply no more USM.

Anything else you want to know?

--
FJP
--
Stinson
D-70, 18-70 kit, Sigma 70-300 II APO, C-750, D-40, B-300, Nikon 4T macro, PS CS
http://www.StinsonsTerra.NikonD70Gallery.photoshare.co.nz
http://www.StinsonsTerra.StinsonsC750Gallery.PhotoShare.co.nz
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/view?id=64739
ViewExif at http://ak.no-ip.com/EXIF/

 
Currently my favorite ice cream is Godiva dark chocolate. It is absolutely dreamy.
Can't think of anything right now, except this. Even though you
shoot NEF, what is your camera set too. My understanding is that
NC starts with your camera settings. Do you have no sharpening? I
understand the rest of your work flow.
I would never sully my camera by doing in-camera sharpening. That's blasphemy in my book. I set white balance and that's it (except for ISO of course).

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FJP
 
What setting did you have your flash at?
Did you use any exposure compensation.

Some people have been complaining that the flash pictures with the sb800 have been turning out dark
I own the sb800 also and have had mixed results.
Good job on your hand held macros.
With a flash! Ssee the entire gallery for notes on why I took these
pictures and what I was trying to discover.

http://www.pbase.com/fjp/byp_2004_07_jul_10

Here are some samples from that gallery, not necessarily the best:













--
FJP
 
Oh, that baby is SWEET! From reports I've read, it's as sharp as
the Nikon 200mm Micro at half the price and weighs less, and its
working distance is about the same. Plus, mechanically, it is a
dream. The manual focus is silky smooth and precise, so different
from the crude Sigma I was playing with for the images I posted
here in this thread. I can't wait until I can spring for it (any
month now LOL) and get my hands on it. The autofocus is slow, but
the way you're supposed to use it doesn't matter (manual focus to
get within a ballpark, then autofocus for touch up to perfection).
The manual focus ring is very wide, so unlike the thin ring on the
Sigma. This lens was built with manual focus in mind, exactly what
a true macro lens should be designed for.

--
FJP
Thanks for the reply... and I'm glad you mentioned both the Nikon and the Sigma, both of which are also in my peripheral vision :) I'm counting the months too.

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Around the day in 80 worlds.
 
What setting did you have your flash at?
I don't know. When I first got it, I read about it, set it up in its most capable mode (iTTL or something), and then just forgot about it.
Did you use any exposure compensation.
No.
Some people have been complaining that the flash pictures with the
sb800 have been turning out dark
Well, that happens when it isn't powerful enough to give a full exposure, then the red light blinks. Other than when that happens, I haven't noticed any problems in particular.

On the other hand, I work the levels on every image I take and haven't noticed any patterns. I just do that without even thinking about it. I think I got used to doing that when I scanned film. I don't expect perfection, I guess, and am perfectly happy with the technical performance of what I get out of the D70, just taking the needed post-processing for granted, I guess. I know one thing. I have to do a heck of a lot LESS post-processing with the D70 than I had to with film. So I ain't complaining.
I own the sb800 also and have had mixed results.
Can't say as I've had mixed results. It behaves a lot more consistently than the sun and the sky does, not to speak of indoor lighting. I wish I could use flash for everything, but my daughter won't let me pound her newborn with light from either the SB-800 OR natural light from the windows. She has some cockamainy notion that bright light is bad for infants.
Good job on your hand held macros.
Thanks a lot.

--
FJP
 
Oh, that baby is SWEET! From reports I've read, it's as sharp as
the Nikon 200mm Micro at half the price and weighs less, and its
working distance is about the same. Plus, mechanically, it is a
dream. The manual focus is silky smooth and precise, so different
from the crude Sigma I was playing with for the images I posted
here in this thread. I can't wait until I can spring for it (any
month now LOL) and get my hands on it. The autofocus is slow, but
the way you're supposed to use it doesn't matter (manual focus to
get within a ballpark, then autofocus for touch up to perfection).
The manual focus ring is very wide, so unlike the thin ring on the
Sigma. This lens was built with manual focus in mind, exactly what
a true macro lens should be designed for.

--
FJP
Thanks for the reply... and I'm glad you mentioned both the Nikon
and the Sigma, both of which are also in my peripheral vision :)
I'm counting the months too.
Lest I be misinterpreted, let me make it clear that I was talking about the Sigma 70-300 (with the red ring), not the Sigma 180 macro, which is a lot nicer mechanically than the el cheapo 70-300. But FROM WHAT I READ (no hands-on experience) the Tamron is peerless in its mechanical feel. I read that the Canon in this range is also superb, and of course the Nikon is too, but who wants to pay $1,000+ when you can get something like the Tamron (every way comparable) for $650 or thereabouts?

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FJP
 

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