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either using off camera or on camera flashes outside the studio. I'm sooooo used to getting the desired effect in the studio, that I almost hate shooting outside.... Uggg I have a 550EX, as well as two Vivitar 283's at my disposale. I don't get the pop like I want outside. Any ideas or suggestions from some of the outside shooters in the house....



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Don't know, but then I've never been able to get a handle on things the way you have.

This was with one light (albeit "The" light). Although I think the pop might be there, it could just as easily be my wishful thinking.

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I think any more POP and it will look fake, and get in the way of the image.

I find the retouching of these examples very distracting. The eyes look like they are synthetic. The ability to clean up the whites in their does not mean it's a good thing.

just my amateur opinion.

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pfiltz said:
either using off camera or on camera flashes outside the studio.
I'm sooooo used to getting the desired effect in the studio, that I
almost hate shooting outside.... Uggg I have a 550EX, as well as
two Vivitar 283's at my disposale. I don't get the pop like I want
outside. Any ideas or suggestions from some of the outside
shooters in the house....

http://www.keepsakephotography.us/amber/amber2.jpg
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Yes.

Outdoors typically deals with lighting powers that a couple of 283's won't touch.

Learn to use the light that is there, with reflectors (big reflectors). A big reflector usually means an assistant. 2 big reflectors, 2 assistants. A big scrim can mean the same thing. Scrims are tricky, keeping the shadow of the scrim out of the picture would be a pain in your girl in field (provided she was actually in the field. I have a feeling she wasn't).

A couple of monolights with soft boxes, inverters and car batteries can do wonders, if the goal is to put big, soft studio fill into harsh outdoor shadows.

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pfiltz said:
but I feel it really lacks. I like her look, but it looks just
flat. Maybe that's what I'm seeing. Flat, when I'm use to
creating shadows. Maybe the photo is "ok", but I'm so used to
seeing a much different look from the studio work.
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You could try having an assistant hold a black screen/cardboard/whatever over the model's head and slightly in front.
 
I admire your work and could not help but notice your personal creations for each of your subjects. Their own iindividual and unique enviroment that you have set them in. Very good posing and quite different with some of the subjects. Very nice

Dan
pfiltz said:
either using off camera or on camera flashes outside the studio.
I'm sooooo used to getting the desired effect in the studio, that I
almost hate shooting outside.... Uggg I have a 550EX, as well as
two Vivitar 283's at my disposale. I don't get the pop like I want
outside. Any ideas or suggestions from some of the outside
shooters in the house....



--
Regards,
Phillip@keepsake
http://www.keepsakephotography.us
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pfiltz said:
either using off camera or on camera flashes outside the studio.
I'm sooooo used to getting the desired effect in the studio, that I
almost hate shooting outside.... Uggg I have a 550EX, as well as
two Vivitar 283's at my disposale. I don't get the pop like I want
outside. Any ideas or suggestions from some of the outside
shooters in the house....



--
Regards,
Phillip@keepsake
http://www.keepsakephotography.us
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Phil,

It looks like you had a cloudy day when you took this shot. I agree with the others that big reflectors would have helped, gold maybe? Also, instead of your usual vignette you apply, maybe a quick mask and a depth-of-field effect on her surroundings and a longer transition on the vignette effect. Just my two cents mind you. Cloudy days don't lend themselves to specular highlights that you have perfected in the studio.

Ciao!

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pfiltz said:
but I feel it really lacks. I like her look, but it looks just
flat. Maybe that's what I'm seeing. Flat, when I'm use to
creating shadows. Maybe the photo is "ok", but I'm so used to
seeing a much different look from the studio work.
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In the two examples you posted, your shadow to highlight ratio was much closer than your indoor work. That's going to make the image have a harder time creating the illusion of depth.

Are you using the flash as your main or as fill? If it's your main, increase the power slightly to make the shadow side a little darker--1/3 or 1/2 stop to begin with--and see if that helps.

The vignetting on these two images is also quite a bit more noticable--it's clearly visible as "DARK EDGES" rather than in your studio work, where it mostly fades to dark and just helps emphasise the subject. Try using an empty adjustment layer set to Multiply with the same vignetting area and see if that looks more natural.
 
. . . a lot of it comes from time of day. I really like the last hour and a half or so before sunset -- couple that warm, directional light with a reflector, and it's pretty nice.



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Paul
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pfiltz said:
either using off camera or on camera flashes outside the studio.
I'm sooooo used to getting the desired effect in the studio, that I
almost hate shooting outside.... Uggg I have a 550EX, as well as
two Vivitar 283's at my disposale. I don't get the pop like I want
outside. Any ideas or suggestions from some of the outside
shooters in the house....



--
Regards,
Phillip@keepsake
http://www.keepsakephotography.us
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friend of mine tol me about that to. I actually had one of the girls hold a reflector over the others head to minimize shadows in the eyes on some of the shots.
Warren Sarle said:
pfiltz said:
but I feel it really lacks. I like her look, but it looks just
flat. Maybe that's what I'm seeing. Flat, when I'm use to
creating shadows. Maybe the photo is "ok", but I'm so used to
seeing a much different look from the studio work.
Click to expand...
You could try having an assistant hold a black
screen/cardboard/whatever over the model's head and slightly in
front.
Click to expand...
--
Regards,
Phillip@keepsake
http://www.keepsakephotography.us
 
you don't think she was in a field. Why? BTW, she is sitting in a new wheat field. They're all around, so I took advantage of it. Very windy day, and kind of cool. I understand the deal on reflectors. I don't have assistants other than someone that might be with us during shooting a friend or a parent or something like that.
Joseph S. Wisniewski said:
pfiltz said:
either using off camera or on camera flashes outside the studio.
I'm sooooo used to getting the desired effect in the studio, that I
almost hate shooting outside.... Uggg I have a 550EX, as well as
two Vivitar 283's at my disposale. I don't get the pop like I want
outside. Any ideas or suggestions from some of the outside
shooters in the house....

http://www.keepsakephotography.us/amber/amber2.jpg
Click to expand...
Yes.

Outdoors typically deals with lighting powers that a couple of
283's won't touch.

Learn to use the light that is there, with reflectors (big
reflectors). A big reflector usually means an assistant. 2 big
reflectors, 2 assistants. A big scrim can mean the same thing.
Scrims are tricky, keeping the shadow of the scrim out of the
picture would be a pain in your girl in field (provided she was
actually in the field. I have a feeling she wasn't).

A couple of monolights with soft boxes, inverters and car batteries
can do wonders, if the goal is to put big, soft studio fill into
harsh outdoor shadows.

--
A cyberstalker told me not to post anymore...
So I'm posting even more!

Ciao!

Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
Click to expand...
--
Regards,
Phillip@keepsake
http://www.keepsakephotography.us
 
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