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LeifShutter
Senior Member
They are almost worthless for comparisons. Taken at different times of day, even different magnifications. The only thing I noticed was the difference in the flower color rendering between the Nikon and the A2. The flowers on the far left I believe are supposed to be purple, and are rendered as such on my monitor. The Nikon renders them blue.
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Rick McCarty
Leading Member
Wow.
Are we sure he had the A2 in good focus? I not only compared the D70 pix with it, but also the ones he shot with the other 8MP cameras he tested. The A2 images look terribly "soft" - especially the one of the house.
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Are we sure he had the A2 in good focus? I not only compared the D70 pix with it, but also the ones he shot with the other 8MP cameras he tested. The A2 images look terribly "soft" - especially the one of the house.
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LeifShutter
Senior Member
The flower pics don't look soft to me.
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I think it is the sharpness of the GT lenses that is the problem. The flowers look fine though but the kit lenses of Nikon is sharper.
Mocca
Vancemac
Leading Member
Just horrible A2 pic of house. Not only not in focus, but I can't even find a spot that IS in focus. Colors are also washed out, esp compared to Canon shot. Compare sky and grass... anything. This is exactly why I'm still skittish about my A2 after a week. One out of 5 shots comes out as I expect, the others have this kind of soft focus. Very strange.
George Sears
Leading Member
than the right, on both. The Nikon 8mp's on Steve's were a lot sharper.
Remember, Mike Reichmann went through 3 A2's to get a good one.
Maybe people should wait a month?
George Sears
Remember, Mike Reichmann went through 3 A2's to get a good one.
Maybe people should wait a month?
George Sears
Ohoh.. I'm doing my best to fall in love with the A2 but all these quality issues and soft pictures which are often not even in focus.... what a mess!
The house picture is terribly noisy, there is no detail at all in the grass, neither the plants at the right side of the house. I hope it's a plane/bird at the top left of the picture otherwise it has some smudge at the CCD. The Pro1 shot is ka-shing compared to this.
The flower shot is not sharp either. The window-mesh is just a fuzzy thing. compare this to the Pro1's shot... difference of night and day.
The house picture is terribly noisy, there is no detail at all in the grass, neither the plants at the right side of the house. I hope it's a plane/bird at the top left of the picture otherwise it has some smudge at the CCD. The Pro1 shot is ka-shing compared to this.
The flower shot is not sharp either. The window-mesh is just a fuzzy thing. compare this to the Pro1's shot... difference of night and day.
KEITH-C
Forum Pro
Yes there is faint diagonal noise in the shadow areas of the house pic. It does not compare well with the Canon version with regard to sharpness although it can sharpened satisfactorily in PP.
However, in my opinion, the A2 colour is more natural - both the Olympus & Canon have a slight blue cast which gives them have more initial impact but it looks false.The Canon does have less sky noise than the A2. The differences will not be so apparent in prints. I hope that KM upgrades the GT lens in the next A3. Perhaps developed RAW files look better?
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George Sears
Leading Member
If you look at the flower pic at normal screen size (not 100%) you will notice the A2 has a less distinct moire pattern banding on the window screen than the other cameras. Next closest would be the D70. This indicates that the other cameras with the zebra stripe banding are using very agressive sharpening.
The house picture does look soft for the A2, not typical. Wonder what the settings were? Looks like might have been taken with soft sharpness which would look soft.
http://www.garageglamour.com/portfolios/greatphotos
The house picture does look soft for the A2, not typical. Wonder what the settings were? Looks like might have been taken with soft sharpness which would look soft.
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http://www.garageglamour.com/portfolios/greatphotos
Just for fun I looked at the D70 pic of the house.
It has an incredible amount of Moire patterns on the gutter/rain pipe or whatever you call it..
I read about it in the D70 forum bit I didn't know it was that bad.
At least you won't see that kind of stuff in the A2 pic!
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/nikon/d70-review/DSC_0005.JPG
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Menno
It has an incredible amount of Moire patterns on the gutter/rain pipe or whatever you call it..
I read about it in the D70 forum bit I didn't know it was that bad.
At least you won't see that kind of stuff in the A2 pic!
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/nikon/d70-review/DSC_0005.JPG
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Menno
bill hansen
Forum Pro
I agree that none of these most recent images is helpful, and nothing can be learned from them. I'd say it's too bad about the images, not the cameras.
In the A2 pic, there's noise, about the same amount of noise I'd expect from an unprocessed ISO 200 A2 image. The A2 pic is also woefully out of focus. Is this the camera, or is it something about the way the pic was taken. I don't see the EXIF data, which would at least say something about the noise issue.
I notice that the earlier pictures taken with the Nikon were at ISO 50, so no wonder they look less noisy.
In the A2 pic, there's noise, about the same amount of noise I'd expect from an unprocessed ISO 200 A2 image. The A2 pic is also woefully out of focus. Is this the camera, or is it something about the way the pic was taken. I don't see the EXIF data, which would at least say something about the noise issue.
I notice that the earlier pictures taken with the Nikon were at ISO 50, so no wonder they look less noisy.
I'm no expert in exifs, but my (old) acdsee says the following about the A2 house pic:
Software DiMAGE A2 Ver.1.10 (?)
ISO speed ratings 64
etcetera
Menno
Software DiMAGE A2 Ver.1.10 (?)
ISO speed ratings 64
etcetera
Menno
File: - PICT0006.jpg
ImageDescription - KONICA MINOLTA DIGITAL CAMERA
Make - Konica Minolta Camera, Inc.
Model - DiMAGE A2
Orientation - Top left
XResolution - 72
YResolution - 72
ResolutionUnit - Inch
Software - DiMAGE A2 Ver.1.10
DateTime - 2004:03:23 15:51:55
YCbCrPositioning - Centered
ExifOffset - 404
ExposureTime - 1/320 seconds
FNumber - 7.10
ExposureProgram - Normal program
ISOSpeedRatings - 64
ExifVersion - 221
DateTimeOriginal - 2004:03:23 15:51:55
DateTimeDigitized - 2004:03:23 15:51:55
ComponentsConfiguration - YCbCr
BrightnessValue - 9.30
ExposureBiasValue - 0.00
MaxApertureValue - F 2.83
MeteringMode - Multi-segment
LightSource - Auto
Flash - Not fired, compulsory flash mode
FocalLength - 7.55 mm
UserComment -
FlashPixVersion - 010
ColorSpace - sRGB
ExifImageWidth - 3264
ExifImageHeight - 2448
InteroperabilityOffset - 39256
CustomRendered - Normal process
ExposureMode - Auto
WhiteBalance - Auto
DigitalZoomRatio - 0 x
FocalLengthIn35mmFilm - 29 mm
SceneCaptureType - Standard
GainControl - None
Contrast - Normal
Saturation - Normal
Sharpness - Normal
SubjectDistanceRange - Close view
ImageDescription - KONICA MINOLTA DIGITAL CAMERA
Make - Konica Minolta Camera, Inc.
Model - DiMAGE A2
Orientation - Top left
XResolution - 72
YResolution - 72
ResolutionUnit - Inch
Software - DiMAGE A2 Ver.1.10
DateTime - 2004:03:23 15:51:55
YCbCrPositioning - Centered
ExifOffset - 404
ExposureTime - 1/320 seconds
FNumber - 7.10
ExposureProgram - Normal program
ISOSpeedRatings - 64
ExifVersion - 221
DateTimeOriginal - 2004:03:23 15:51:55
DateTimeDigitized - 2004:03:23 15:51:55
ComponentsConfiguration - YCbCr
BrightnessValue - 9.30
ExposureBiasValue - 0.00
MaxApertureValue - F 2.83
MeteringMode - Multi-segment
LightSource - Auto
Flash - Not fired, compulsory flash mode
FocalLength - 7.55 mm
UserComment -
FlashPixVersion - 010
ColorSpace - sRGB
ExifImageWidth - 3264
ExifImageHeight - 2448
InteroperabilityOffset - 39256
CustomRendered - Normal process
ExposureMode - Auto
WhiteBalance - Auto
DigitalZoomRatio - 0 x
FocalLengthIn35mmFilm - 29 mm
SceneCaptureType - Standard
GainControl - None
Contrast - Normal
Saturation - Normal
Sharpness - Normal
SubjectDistanceRange - Close view
I keep reading about this diagonal noise, but I'm not sure what it's referring to. I see a fair amount of what I consider normal noise in the sky and shadow areas of the house, but I don't see anything "diagonal" about it. Can someone help me understand what this diagonal noise is, maybe with a cropped shot that highlights it?
Thanks!
(Since I seem to have trouble seeing this diagonal noise, maybe that makes me a prime candidate for an A2.
Thanks!
(Since I seem to have trouble seeing this diagonal noise, maybe that makes me a prime candidate for an A2.
What does 'subject distance - close view' in the EXIF mean? Was the camera focused too close for the distant image.
Also according to Minolta version 1.10 of the firmware doesn't exist and the next version wil be 1.00 with a higher 'r= ' release number.
http://www.garageglamour.com/portfolios/greatphotos
Also according to Minolta version 1.10 of the firmware doesn't exist and the next version wil be 1.00 with a higher 'r= ' release number.
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http://www.garageglamour.com/portfolios/greatphotos
ph0t0man
Senior Member
To be honest, I didn't see it right off the bat, because I was looking for the lack of purple blooming on the D70 (the A2 shot is terrible on the left side of the house). Now that you mention it though...very obvious, even at small viewing size. It looks like a barber's pole, only blue and tan rather than red and white...
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