A2 sample pics out

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I'm only partway through downloading the sunset pic and already I can see it's somewhat noisy. Will compare the shake pics next.

Cheers,
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Marco Nero.
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I see some issues with the Stabilised Image... both grain as well as serious aberrations around the blue on the girl's arm on the right hand side of the figure. It's considerably worse than I though it might be. If you follow the blue highlight it becomes white when it reaches the girl's shoulder. Not good at all.

In the bathroom/glass abstract picture, there's a considerable amount of grain in all the intense colours as well as other problems that ought to be evident to other viewers. Some parts of this image actually look slightly blurred. I can handle the noise but not the impression that there's some blur in this image for some reason. The CA in this particular picture is VERY obvious in the few intense reflections... and that means that they've deliberately avoided external picture samples for this reason. I think when you see daylight shots, that this camera 9with this chip) is going to have some serious issues with CA.

The last picture is currently downloading: Already I can see intense CA issues that I personally would find unacceptable on a digital camera. The lack of detail at this distance surprises me and a lot of detail seems to be lown out from the whites at the bottom of the picture (also, see the white plate) . Her arm and fingers show the reaction to harsh colour and the beginnings of intense CA. Out in sunlight, this would have been a nightmare picture. It seems to me that the new Minolta may not be as strong a contender for the 8MP chip as I thought. The Anti Shake clearly works for lowlight indoor shots but Minolta is clearly lacking in decent lens and digital processing capabilities. I expected sharper images from this camera system.

Does anyone think I'm being over-critical or unrealistic?

Cheers,
--
Marco Nero.
http://www.pbase.com/nero_design
 
I see some issues with the Stabilised Image... both grain as well
as serious aberrations around the blue on the girl's arm on the
right hand side of the figure. It's considerably worse than I
though it might be. If you follow the blue highlight it becomes
white when it reaches the girl's shoulder. Not good at all.

In the bathroom/glass abstract picture, there's a considerable
amount of grain in all the intense colours as well as other
problems that ought to be evident to other viewers. Some parts of
this image actually look slightly blurred. I can handle the noise
but not the impression that there's some blur in this image for
some reason. The CA in this particular picture is VERY obvious in
the few intense reflections... and that means that they've
deliberately avoided external picture samples for this reason. I
think when you see daylight shots, that this camera 9with this
chip) is going to have some serious issues with CA.

The last picture is currently downloading: Already I can see
intense CA issues that I personally would find unacceptable on a
digital camera. The lack of detail at this distance surprises me
and a lot of detail seems to be lown out from the whites at the
bottom of the picture (also, see the white plate) . Her arm and
fingers show the reaction to harsh colour and the beginnings of
intense CA. Out in sunlight, this would have been a nightmare
picture. It seems to me that the new Minolta may not be as strong
a contender for the 8MP chip as I thought. The Anti Shake clearly
works for lowlight indoor shots but Minolta is clearly lacking in
decent lens and digital processing capabilities. I expected
sharper images from this camera system.

Does anyone think I'm being over-critical or unrealistic?

Cheers,
--
Marco Nero.
http://www.pbase.com/nero_design
I do not really go along with your critique - I don't know what on earth you are comparing the images to, but the Minolta GT lens is certainly one of the finest in it's class - I haven't had time to examine the pictures in detail, as downloading here took an age, and I noticed noise, but excesive CA would certainly be about a first with this lens.
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Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
 
Marco Negro,
I Checked the pics again to see what you are seeing.
Could't find it.
Noise yes, but it was expected for this CCD.
Dude do Canon a favor.
You sometimes have to "pretend" to like others brands, just abit.
Otherwise people are going to think that you are in a Canon payroll.
Keep working. ;-)
I see some issues with the Stabilised Image... both grain as well
as serious aberrations around the blue on the girl's arm on the
right hand side of the figure. It's considerably worse than I
though it might be. If you follow the blue highlight it becomes
white when it reaches the girl's shoulder. Not good at all.

In the bathroom/glass abstract picture, there's a considerable
amount of grain in all the intense colours as well as other
problems that ought to be evident to other viewers. Some parts of
this image actually look slightly blurred. I can handle the noise
but not the impression that there's some blur in this image for
some reason. The CA in this particular picture is VERY obvious in
the few intense reflections... and that means that they've
deliberately avoided external picture samples for this reason. I
think when you see daylight shots, that this camera 9with this
chip) is going to have some serious issues with CA.

The last picture is currently downloading: Already I can see
intense CA issues that I personally would find unacceptable on a
digital camera. The lack of detail at this distance surprises me
and a lot of detail seems to be lown out from the whites at the
bottom of the picture (also, see the white plate) . Her arm and
fingers show the reaction to harsh colour and the beginnings of
intense CA. Out in sunlight, this would have been a nightmare
picture. It seems to me that the new Minolta may not be as strong
a contender for the 8MP chip as I thought. The Anti Shake clearly
works for lowlight indoor shots but Minolta is clearly lacking in
decent lens and digital processing capabilities. I expected
sharper images from this camera system.

Does anyone think I'm being over-critical or unrealistic?

Cheers,
--
Marco Nero.
http://www.pbase.com/nero_design
 
Lucem wrote:
Marco Nero,
I Checked the pics again to see what you are seeing.
Could't find it.
No worries mate, Let me show you...
Try this... what's that orange line? She must have jaundice!
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005930

How about this: Where's the detail in the plate? It has a pattern.
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005931

This is some NASTY CA for an indoor studio lit showcase shot.
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005933

The edge of this girl's shoulder looks like it's part of the leadlight behind her.
The dark line around her is indicative of a Pre-Digic 2.0MP camera
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005937

This Glass is showing magenta CA already:
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005939

See the white line between her blue dress and her skin?
I wonder what that's all about? I say the processor can't punch it.
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005942

Here's the reverse: Once again, Indicative of a Pre-Digic 2.0MP camera
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005947

But I must be imagining all this. Let me know if anyone else find the noise acceptable and the aberrations to be the result of my imagination.

Cheers,

--
Marco Nero.
http://www.pbase.com/nero_design
 
Mr Negro, Just because Phil is gone for Vegas, doesn't mean that you are going to mislead people in this forums.
Canonians are not that stupid.
Any suggestion David?
How can we get rid of the Negro problem?.
Lucem wrote:
Marco Nero,
I Checked the pics again to see what you are seeing.
Could't find it.
No worries mate, Let me show you...
Try this... what's that orange line? She must have jaundice!
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005930

How about this: Where's the detail in the plate? It has a pattern.
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005931

This is some NASTY CA for an indoor studio lit showcase shot.
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005933

The edge of this girl's shoulder looks like it's part of the
leadlight behind her.
The dark line around her is indicative of a Pre-Digic 2.0MP camera
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005937

This Glass is showing magenta CA already:
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005939

See the white line between her blue dress and her skin?
I wonder what that's all about? I say the processor can't punch it.
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005942

Here's the reverse: Once again, Indicative of a Pre-Digic 2.0MP
camera
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005947

But I must be imagining all this. Let me know if anyone else find
the noise acceptable and the aberrations to be the result of my
imagination.

Cheers,

--
Marco Nero.
http://www.pbase.com/nero_design
 
Canonians are not that stupid.
How can we get rid of the Negro problem?.
You're facing a ban right there, buddy. Racist!

I see you've been fighting the Pro 1 and touting the A2. Eventually, that brings you in direct conflict with me. I note that you did NOT comment on the images I posted for your perusal.

As a person with Anti Shake Syndrome (an "A.S.S. man"), you should mind your anti Canon postings in these forums. Eventually, someone might label you a Troll. Which is fairly apparent anyway.

Adios.

--
Marco Nero.
http://www.pbase.com/nero_design
 
I see some issues with the Stabilised Image... both grain as well
as serious aberrations around the blue on the girl's arm on the
right hand side of the figure. It's considerably worse than I
though it might be. If you follow the blue highlight it becomes
white when it reaches the girl's shoulder. Not good at all.

In the bathroom/glass abstract picture, there's a considerable
amount of grain in all the intense colours as well as other
problems that ought to be evident to other viewers. Some parts of
this image actually look slightly blurred. I can handle the noise
but not the impression that there's some blur in this image for
some reason. The CA in this particular picture is VERY obvious in
the few intense reflections... and that means that they've
deliberately avoided external picture samples for this reason. I
think when you see daylight shots, that this camera 9with this
chip) is going to have some serious issues with CA.

The last picture is currently downloading: Already I can see
intense CA issues that I personally would find unacceptable on a
digital camera. The lack of detail at this distance surprises me
and a lot of detail seems to be lown out from the whites at the
bottom of the picture (also, see the white plate) . Her arm and
fingers show the reaction to harsh colour and the beginnings of
intense CA. Out in sunlight, this would have been a nightmare
picture. It seems to me that the new Minolta may not be as strong
a contender for the 8MP chip as I thought. The Anti Shake clearly
works for lowlight indoor shots but Minolta is clearly lacking in
decent lens and digital processing capabilities. I expected
sharper images from this camera system.

Does anyone think I'm being over-critical or unrealistic?

Cheers,
--
Marco Nero.
http://www.pbase.com/nero_design
--
I read one of your other posts about pro1 and here are a quotation from you:

"C'mon guys... settle down. The noise should technically be a non issue in this camera. I also think that film-grain in any photograph that's from a digital gives it a little character. Everyone gets so hyped up about noise and pixels etc."
I don´t think you are objective here...

http://www.grimmer.se/albums/index.asp
 
Canonians are not that stupid.
How can we get rid of the Negro problem?.
You're facing a ban right there, buddy. Racist!
I see you've been fighting the Pro 1 and touting the A2.
Eventually, that brings you in direct conflict with me. I note
that you did NOT comment on the images I posted for your perusal.

As a person with Anti Shake Syndrome (an "A.S.S. man"), you should
mind your anti Canon postings in these forums. Eventually, someone
might label you a Troll. Which is fairly apparent anyway.

Adios.

--
Marco Nero.
http://www.pbase.com/nero_design
--

I would hold my horses before I call someone ASS and TROLL. There are some forums on this site where the words are more present then others. Dont´n fill this forum please...
http://www.grimmer.se/albums/index.asp
 
Mr Negro, Just because Phil is gone for Vegas, doesn't mean that
you are going to mislead people in this forums.
Canonians are not that stupid.
Any suggestion David?
How can we get rid of the Negro problem?.
Your comment is both foolish and objectionable.
I have no idea of Marco's race, nor do I care.
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Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
 
Lucem wrote:
Marco Nero,
I Checked the pics again to see what you are seeing.
Could't find it.
No worries mate, Let me show you...
Try this... what's that orange line? She must have jaundice!
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005930

How about this: Where's the detail in the plate? It has a pattern.
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005931

This is some NASTY CA for an indoor studio lit showcase shot.
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005933

The edge of this girl's shoulder looks like it's part of the
leadlight behind her.
The dark line around her is indicative of a Pre-Digic 2.0MP camera
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005937

This Glass is showing magenta CA already:
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005939

See the white line between her blue dress and her skin?
I wonder what that's all about? I say the processor can't punch it.
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005942

Here's the reverse: Once again, Indicative of a Pre-Digic 2.0MP
camera
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005947

But I must be imagining all this. Let me know if anyone else find
the noise acceptable and the aberrations to be the result of my
imagination.

Cheers,

--
Marco Nero.
http://www.pbase.com/nero_design
Hmmm....I've been spending my time recently looking at 1D2 and Kodak 14n photos, and looking at these little pixel packer photos is quite a change.

The problem is, you have to adjust your standards, and a camera only has to beat it's competition.
Personally, I think it was a bad idea to go beyond 3-4MP for this size sensor.
We are really faced with a choice of horrids.

The only flaw which we have substantial disagreement about is what you are terming CA. It seems to me that this is merely a product of all the different relections, the glass distorting the light, etc..

Most of the others look more like poor processing artifacts to me rather than anything else - some are very like sharpening artifacts.

As usual with these sort of sample shots, we dont' really have enough info to properly evaluate them, and they are often taken by people who do not seem to make the most of their camera - I've seen pics from the 1D2 which look as though they were shot through a coke bottle!

Essentially, the A2 does not need to do more than hold it's own in image quality with the other 8Mp contenders at any given ISO, as the AS is quite an advantage as these cameras are so bad at higher ISO's.

I suppose I just have trouble differentialting between these 8MP cameras, as they are all so bad.
The noise in the sunset shot was awful, and that was shot at ISO64!

I doubt very much that CA will be significant problem with this camera though - all earlier models using the same lens had minimal levels.

BTW, apologies for taking so long to get back to you - I live in England, so it was rather late last night!
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Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
 
Lucem wrote:
Marco Nero,
I Checked the pics again to see what you are seeing.
Could't find it.
No worries mate, Let me show you...
Try this... what's that orange line? She must have jaundice!
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005930

How about this: Where's the detail in the plate? It has a pattern.
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005931

This is some NASTY CA for an indoor studio lit showcase shot.
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005933

The edge of this girl's shoulder looks like it's part of the
leadlight behind her.
The dark line around her is indicative of a Pre-Digic 2.0MP camera
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005937

This Glass is showing magenta CA already:
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005939

See the white line between her blue dress and her skin?
I wonder what that's all about? I say the processor can't punch it.
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005942

Here's the reverse: Once again, Indicative of a Pre-Digic 2.0MP
camera
http://www.pbase.com/image/26005947

But I must be imagining all this. Let me know if anyone else find
the noise acceptable and the aberrations to be the result of my
imagination.

Cheers,

--
Marco Nero.
http://www.pbase.com/nero_design
I cross=posted your critique to the Minolta forum, as I felt it had some merit and was interested in other feedback and opinions. I suggest we continue it on the Minolta forum, but lets all try to keep thins civilised!
Perhaps the title you chose for this post is not the best?(G)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=7637098
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Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
 
In the overall scheme of things, most of these little defects don't strike me as being that bad. Bits of CA, small blown highlights, or a rough edge are common for cameras with small sensors. If you're in this market, you need to accept that you will have some defects that are a few pixels wide at times.

In contrast, the 828 can produe purple plumes 10-20 pixels wide.

One thing about these A2 shots is that they do little to reverse the impression that minolta has never quite mastered how to control the noise from their 2/3" sensor products.

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Ron Parr
FAQ: http://www.cs.duke.edu/~parr/photography/faq.html
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/parr/
 
Grimmer wrote:
I read one of your other posts about pro1 and here are a quotation
from you:
"C'mon guys... settle down. The noise should technically be a non
issue in this camera. I also think that film-grain in any
photograph that's from a digital gives it a little character.
Everyone gets so hyped up about noise and pixels etc."
I don´t think you are objective here...
I did not really complain so much about the grain in the AS Minolta (the sunset picture could have been quite bad but was surprisingly smooth). However, I strongly object the level of Chromatic Aberration which is typical of a sensor this size and type. A lot of pro-Minolta fans have been pointing at the newly announced Canon Powershot Pro 1 and claiming the Minolta AS camera would blow it out of the water.

So far, I'd say that the Minolta AS has serious enough imaging issues to warrant a recount as to where these new cameras sit and what they offer to the consumer. Remember, I posted examples of the issues I have with the Minolta samples to illustrate my concerns and observations. Let's see what others feel about these newly released sample pictures from the manufacturer. The Anti Shake certainly works though.

Regards,

--
Marco Nero.
http://www.pbase.com/nero_design
 
In contrast, the 828 can produe purple plumes 10-20 pixels wide.
Hi Ron,

I've just taken a close personal look at the F828 at the local Sony store here and it's a visibly intimidating camera. I was all set to buy one if it wasn't for the problem with Processing RAW files and the CA that everyone has warned me about. Do you know of any samples from this camera that I can use to compare CA. with? I'm curious to see exactly how bad it is by comparison. F828 owners seem to really like their cameras and all seem to shrug and accept the CA.

Regards,
--
Marco Nero.
http://www.pbase.com/nero_design
 

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