things may be improved a lot merely by the firmware modification

[codec]

hi,

i'm looking at the 300D for quite some time and kind of comparing it with the 10D and Nikon D100. I've also read both 300D and 10D manuals, reviews, online forum discussions on these makers/models and seen quite some people complaining about the lack of manual control flexibilites on the 300D model (and even on the 10D for some features), majority of those lies on the metering, flash-assist focusing, FEC, lack of custermized preset exposure settings, etc.

My humble opinion on this:

most of the lacks of controls is due to the firmware limitation. personally i don't think there's much difference on the hardware side between the 300D and 10D (plastic vs magnalium body would be one but this doesn't bother me much). IF canon were willing to, or, as the price race heats up (in this case, Canon's going to be forced to), upgrade the 300D firmware, the 300D would be able to get as much as the 10D gets, except for hardware side such as the body material.

Question is: Is Canon going to do this on the 300D and allow existing owners to upgrade the firmware free of charge? A little firmware improvement sounds likely, huge leap? I really doubt about this, more likely, Canon will release new models to keep pace with the price race and technology advancement even sometime it's not necessary to do so (a little change on the firmware may bring big improvement on features/controls). I bet you will see this from Canon for the 1st step as the answer to Nikon's D70 release. But my guess this is something we'll have to wait till the end of 2004.

So what's gonna be left for us is, keep dumping $$ for its (not just Canon) new models if you don't feel happy with the one you have.

 

[LeeBase]

What financial incentive is there for Canon to make a firmware upgrade for existing D-Reb owners?

No, they will release new models with new abilities at new pricepoints as the competitive situation dictates.

Yes, the Rebel is intentionally toned down in features from the 10D. Yes, they could have given us most all of those features with the hardware they sold us.

But they didn't want to. They have a pricier camera for those other features.

Reminds me of when HP came out with a 4ppm laser printer that internally was THE SAME as the 8ppm printer.....the put a wait state in the 8ppm model turning it into a 4ppm and sold it at a cheaper price point.

Lee

hi,

i'm looking at the 300D for quite some time and kind of comparing
it with the 10D and Nikon D100. I've also read both 300D and 10D
manuals, reviews, online forum discussions on these makers/models
and seen quite some people complaining about the lack of manual
control flexibilites on the 300D model (and even on the 10D for
some features), majority of those lies on the metering,
flash-assist focusing, FEC, lack of custermized preset exposure
settings, etc.

My humble opinion on this:
most of the lacks of controls is due to the firmware limitation.
personally i don't think there's much difference on the hardware
side between the 300D and 10D (plastic vs magnalium body would be
one but this doesn't bother me much). IF canon were willing to, or,
as the price race heats up (in this case, Canon's going to be
forced to), upgrade the 300D firmware, the 300D would be able to
get as much as the 10D gets, except for hardware side such as the
body material.

Question is: Is Canon going to do this on the 300D and allow
existing owners to upgrade the firmware free of charge? A little
firmware improvement sounds likely, huge leap? I really doubt about
this, more likely, Canon will release new models to keep pace with
the price race and technology advancement even sometime it's not
necessary to do so (a little change on the firmware may bring big
improvement on features/controls). I bet you will see this from
Canon for the 1st step as the answer to Nikon's D70 release. But my
guess this is something we'll have to wait till the end of 2004.

So what's gonna be left for us is, keep dumping $$ for its (not
just Canon) new models if you don't feel happy with the one you
have.

 

[Wild-Mike]

Canon will not add any new features to the 300D through firmware. In it's current state the 300D has not prevented me from taking any pictures tht I have wanted to take.

And in a year or two I will probably update to another camera.

My humble opinion on this:
most of the lacks of controls is due to the firmware limitation.
personally i don't think there's much difference on the hardware
side between the 300D and 10D (plastic vs magnalium body would be
one but this doesn't bother me much). IF canon were willing to, or,
as the price race heats up (in this case, Canon's going to be
forced to), upgrade the 300D firmware, the 300D would be able to
get as much as the 10D gets, except for hardware side such as the
body material.

Question is: Is Canon going to do this on the 300D and allow
existing owners to upgrade the firmware free of charge? A little
firmware improvement sounds likely, huge leap? I really doubt about
this, more likely, Canon will release new models to keep pace with
the price race and technology advancement even sometime it's not
necessary to do so (a little change on the firmware may bring big
improvement on features/controls). I bet you will see this from
Canon for the 1st step as the answer to Nikon's D70 release. But my
guess this is something we'll have to wait till the end of 2004.

So what's gonna be left for us is, keep dumping $$ for its (not
just Canon) new models if you don't feel happy with the one you
have.

--
300D Gallery:
http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

Joy in looking and comprehending is nature's most beautiful gift. -- Albert Einstein

 

[codec]

that's exactly what my point is, they'd like to see consumers on the market to keep buying their new models year after year.....even some of the improvents could be done simply by firmware upgrade without redesign of the camera....especially for those control feature improvements.

Dont have control over metering or FEL? okay, I sell you a new model that has!

No, they will release new models with new abilities at new
pricepoints as the competitive situation dictates.

Yes, the Rebel is intentionally toned down in features from the
10D. Yes, they could have given us most all of those features with
the hardware they sold us.

But they didn't want to. They have a pricier camera for those
other features.

Reminds me of when HP came out with a 4ppm laser printer that
internally was THE SAME as the 8ppm printer.....the put a wait
state in the 8ppm model turning it into a 4ppm and sold it at a
cheaper price point.

Lee

hi,

i'm looking at the 300D for quite some time and kind of comparing
it with the 10D and Nikon D100. I've also read both 300D and 10D
manuals, reviews, online forum discussions on these makers/models
and seen quite some people complaining about the lack of manual
control flexibilites on the 300D model (and even on the 10D for
some features), majority of those lies on the metering,
flash-assist focusing, FEC, lack of custermized preset exposure
settings, etc.

My humble opinion on this:
most of the lacks of controls is due to the firmware limitation.
personally i don't think there's much difference on the hardware
side between the 300D and 10D (plastic vs magnalium body would be
one but this doesn't bother me much). IF canon were willing to, or,
as the price race heats up (in this case, Canon's going to be
forced to), upgrade the 300D firmware, the 300D would be able to
get as much as the 10D gets, except for hardware side such as the
body material.

Question is: Is Canon going to do this on the 300D and allow
existing owners to upgrade the firmware free of charge? A little
firmware improvement sounds likely, huge leap? I really doubt about
this, more likely, Canon will release new models to keep pace with
the price race and technology advancement even sometime it's not
necessary to do so (a little change on the firmware may bring big
improvement on features/controls). I bet you will see this from
Canon for the 1st step as the answer to Nikon's D70 release. But my
guess this is something we'll have to wait till the end of 2004.

So what's gonna be left for us is, keep dumping $$ for its (not
just Canon) new models if you don't feel happy with the one you
have.

 

[Homl]

No biggie. Firmware or no firmware. After using the DRebel for a while, you will learn how it works. There really is no limitations what the DRebel can't do that the 10D can. All the controls are there, just in different forms. All the essentials are there, picture quality and speed. Hey, it comes with a good WA lens and it has wireless remote capability for under $1000. ;-)

hi,

i'm looking at the 300D for quite some time and kind of comparing
it with the 10D and Nikon D100. I've also read both 300D and 10D
manuals, reviews, online forum discussions on these makers/models
and seen quite some people complaining about the lack of manual
control flexibilites on the 300D model (and even on the 10D for
some features), majority of those lies on the metering,
flash-assist focusing, FEC, lack of custermized preset exposure
settings, etc.

My humble opinion on this:
most of the lacks of controls is due to the firmware limitation.
personally i don't think there's much difference on the hardware
side between the 300D and 10D (plastic vs magnalium body would be
one but this doesn't bother me much). IF canon were willing to, or,
as the price race heats up (in this case, Canon's going to be
forced to), upgrade the 300D firmware, the 300D would be able to
get as much as the 10D gets, except for hardware side such as the
body material.

Question is: Is Canon going to do this on the 300D and allow
existing owners to upgrade the firmware free of charge? A little
firmware improvement sounds likely, huge leap? I really doubt about
this, more likely, Canon will release new models to keep pace with
the price race and technology advancement even sometime it's not
necessary to do so (a little change on the firmware may bring big
improvement on features/controls). I bet you will see this from
Canon for the 1st step as the answer to Nikon's D70 release. But my
guess this is something we'll have to wait till the end of 2004.

So what's gonna be left for us is, keep dumping $$ for its (not
just Canon) new models if you don't feel happy with the one you
have.

 

[Michael Entin]

Well, there is still no real competition for Rebel in its price range,
and it is selling great, so there is no reason for Canon to release
a firmware that enables more features and harms 10D sales.

Once Nikon releases D70, and maybe Olympus or Fuji release
sub-$1000 D-SRL, I am sure Canon will release Digital Rebel 2004
or 2005 that has all these features enabled.

But for those of us who don't want to wait, Rebel as-it-is-now is
still a great camera for its money.

Dont have control over metering or FEL? okay, I sell you a new
model that has!

No, they will release new models with new abilities at new
pricepoints as the competitive situation dictates.

Yes, the Rebel is intentionally toned down in features from the
10D. Yes, they could have given us most all of those features with
the hardware they sold us.

But they didn't want to. They have a pricier camera for those
other features.

Reminds me of when HP came out with a 4ppm laser printer that
internally was THE SAME as the 8ppm printer.....the put a wait
state in the 8ppm model turning it into a 4ppm and sold it at a
cheaper price point.

Lee

hi,

i'm looking at the 300D for quite some time and kind of comparing
it with the 10D and Nikon D100. I've also read both 300D and 10D
manuals, reviews, online forum discussions on these makers/models
and seen quite some people complaining about the lack of manual
control flexibilites on the 300D model (and even on the 10D for
some features), majority of those lies on the metering,
flash-assist focusing, FEC, lack of custermized preset exposure
settings, etc.

My humble opinion on this:
most of the lacks of controls is due to the firmware limitation.
personally i don't think there's much difference on the hardware
side between the 300D and 10D (plastic vs magnalium body would be
one but this doesn't bother me much). IF canon were willing to, or,
as the price race heats up (in this case, Canon's going to be
forced to), upgrade the 300D firmware, the 300D would be able to
get as much as the 10D gets, except for hardware side such as the
body material.

Question is: Is Canon going to do this on the 300D and allow
existing owners to upgrade the firmware free of charge? A little
firmware improvement sounds likely, huge leap? I really doubt about
this, more likely, Canon will release new models to keep pace with
the price race and technology advancement even sometime it's not
necessary to do so (a little change on the firmware may bring big
improvement on features/controls). I bet you will see this from
Canon for the 1st step as the answer to Nikon's D70 release. But my
guess this is something we'll have to wait till the end of 2004.

So what's gonna be left for us is, keep dumping $$ for its (not
just Canon) new models if you don't feel happy with the one you
have.

 

[codec]

mike,

my humble opinion on this:

there's two things that Canon (or other makers) has to look: one, consumer demand (how strong, enough needs to form a market?); two,
do others cater?

Nikon's D70 is a solid proof on this. I don't really think there's doubt about the Nikon's ability of doing this, but why wait until after Canon did it first?
rule no.1, low-cost, rule no.2, free is bad unless you have to.

but for consumer like you and me, rule#1, least $$ max worth, rule#2, free is good but only in dream.

And in a year or two I will probably update to another camera.

My humble opinion on this:
most of the lacks of controls is due to the firmware limitation.
personally i don't think there's much difference on the hardware
side between the 300D and 10D (plastic vs magnalium body would be
one but this doesn't bother me much). IF canon were willing to, or,
as the price race heats up (in this case, Canon's going to be
forced to), upgrade the 300D firmware, the 300D would be able to
get as much as the 10D gets, except for hardware side such as the
body material.

Question is: Is Canon going to do this on the 300D and allow
existing owners to upgrade the firmware free of charge? A little
firmware improvement sounds likely, huge leap? I really doubt about
this, more likely, Canon will release new models to keep pace with
the price race and technology advancement even sometime it's not
necessary to do so (a little change on the firmware may bring big
improvement on features/controls). I bet you will see this from
Canon for the 1st step as the answer to Nikon's D70 release. But my
guess this is something we'll have to wait till the end of 2004.

So what's gonna be left for us is, keep dumping $$ for its (not
just Canon) new models if you don't feel happy with the one you
have.

--
300D Gallery:
http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

Joy in looking and comprehending is nature's most beautiful gift.
-- Albert Einstein

 

[Wild-Mike]

I'm sure there is a possibility that Canon might do something ...I know Canon has received a lot of complaints. But the big guys look at all the money coming in and then see more opportunity to make more money in a year or two with a new release. Unless something changes I don't think Canon will do anything. They want the camera to sell like crazy and then become obsolete.

I hope my opinion on this is incorrect

Mike

my humble opinion on this:
there's two things that Canon (or other makers) has to look: one,
consumer demand (how strong, enough needs to form a market?); two,
do others cater?

Nikon's D70 is a solid proof on this. I don't really think there's
doubt about the Nikon's ability of doing this, but why wait until
after Canon did it first?
rule no.1, low-cost, rule no.2, free is bad unless you have to.

but for consumer like you and me, rule#1, least $$ max worth,
rule#2, free is good but only in dream.

And in a year or two I will probably update to another camera.

My humble opinion on this:
most of the lacks of controls is due to the firmware limitation.
personally i don't think there's much difference on the hardware
side between the 300D and 10D (plastic vs magnalium body would be
one but this doesn't bother me much). IF canon were willing to, or,
as the price race heats up (in this case, Canon's going to be
forced to), upgrade the 300D firmware, the 300D would be able to
get as much as the 10D gets, except for hardware side such as the
body material.

Question is: Is Canon going to do this on the 300D and allow
existing owners to upgrade the firmware free of charge? A little
firmware improvement sounds likely, huge leap? I really doubt about
this, more likely, Canon will release new models to keep pace with
the price race and technology advancement even sometime it's not
necessary to do so (a little change on the firmware may bring big
improvement on features/controls). I bet you will see this from
Canon for the 1st step as the answer to Nikon's D70 release. But my
guess this is something we'll have to wait till the end of 2004.

So what's gonna be left for us is, keep dumping $$ for its (not
just Canon) new models if you don't feel happy with the one you
have.

--
300D Gallery:
http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

Joy in looking and comprehending is nature's most beautiful gift.
-- Albert Einstein

--
300D Gallery:
http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

Joy in looking and comprehending is nature's most beautiful gift. -- Albert Einstein

 

[Stan]

Apparently many cheap P&S digicams have nearly bulletproof automatic white balance capabilities. It's not a hardware issue. There is no reason why they can't do as well (or better) than the laudable HP or Kodak units.

Yes you can fix it raw or with manual WB...but if automatis can get you so close 99% of the time, why load a half-baked auto WB into the Camera. Those other cams I mentioned don't use fancy digic chips either.

Stan

 

[Isabel Cutler]

for all the features of the 10D in a body as light as that of the Rebel. I have held off getting a dslr because of weight issues. The weight is more of an issue than the cost of the equipment. Of course it is nice to pay less...but a light system...including lightweight lenses would make the whole dslr experience much more attractive to me.

I can't forget carrying two Nikkormat bodies, three lenses and a flash and how much that combo weighed!
Every now and then I take out my Nikkormats and wonder how I ever did it!
Isabel

http://www.pBase.com/isabel95
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipets/
pBase supporter

 

[billybob_jcv]

Canon will NOT add new features through firmware updates. Why should they? In about 18 months they will produce a new Digital Rebel (DR II or 310D, etc) that will have some additional features, and if an existing DRebel pwner wants those features you will need to buy the new model. I have said this before - I can't think of a single instance where an electronics mfgr has provided significant new features through a firmware upgrade - irregardless of whether it was technically possible to do so. It is not in their best interest - there is much more to gain by producing a new model. It allows them to advertise a new model, attract new buyers with the new features, and sell an upgrade to existing customers.

hi,

i'm looking at the 300D for quite some time and kind of comparing
it with the 10D and Nikon D100. I've also read both 300D and 10D
manuals, reviews, online forum discussions on these makers/models
and seen quite some people complaining about the lack of manual
control flexibilites on the 300D model (and even on the 10D for
some features), majority of those lies on the metering,
flash-assist focusing, FEC, lack of custermized preset exposure
settings, etc.

My humble opinion on this:
most of the lacks of controls is due to the firmware limitation.
personally i don't think there's much difference on the hardware
side between the 300D and 10D (plastic vs magnalium body would be
one but this doesn't bother me much). IF canon were willing to, or,
as the price race heats up (in this case, Canon's going to be
forced to), upgrade the 300D firmware, the 300D would be able to
get as much as the 10D gets, except for hardware side such as the
body material.

Question is: Is Canon going to do this on the 300D and allow
existing owners to upgrade the firmware free of charge? A little
firmware improvement sounds likely, huge leap? I really doubt about
this, more likely, Canon will release new models to keep pace with
the price race and technology advancement even sometime it's not
necessary to do so (a little change on the firmware may bring big
improvement on features/controls). I bet you will see this from
Canon for the 1st step as the answer to Nikon's D70 release. But my
guess this is something we'll have to wait till the end of 2004.

So what's gonna be left for us is, keep dumping $$ for its (not
just Canon) new models if you don't feel happy with the one you
have.

 

[Stan]

...this won't help them...or does it?

Stan

 

[Wild-Mike]

Yes, it would be extremely helpful for Canon to have added an incandescent setting which is used more than tungsten or flourecent situations. I was surprised upon seeing that, just about everyone shoots indoors under incandescent lighting conditions.

Haven't really had any issues with the AWB, that seems to work fine with my usage.

If they aren't going to add an incandescent setting then it would be nice to add additional customized settings ...but I really don't see them doing that either.

Mike

Apparently many cheap P&S digicams have nearly bulletproof
automatic white balance capabilities. It's not a hardware issue.
There is no reason why they can't do as well (or better) than the
laudable HP or Kodak units.

Yes you can fix it raw or with manual WB...but if automatis can get
you so close 99% of the time, why load a half-baked auto WB into
the Camera. Those other cams I mentioned don't use fancy digic
chips either.

Stan

--
300D Gallery:
http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

Joy in looking and comprehending is nature's most beautiful gift. -- Albert Einstein

 

[Wild-Mike]

Haven't seen many people complaining about AWB, so I think it is a non-issue in their minds.

Even in many of the reviews on the camera places like dpreview.com point out the weak wb settings and people still flocked to the stores to purchase the camera. Canon can sell this camera all day long with doing anything ...and they know it.

...this won't help them...or does it?

Stan

--
300D Gallery:
http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

Joy in looking and comprehending is nature's most beautiful gift. -- Albert Einstein

 

[Wild-Mike]

But it will probably be in the form of a new camera.

for all the features of the 10D in a body as light as that of the
Rebel. I have held off getting a dslr because of weight issues.
The weight is more of an issue than the cost of the equipment. Of
course it is nice to pay less...but a light system...including
lightweight lenses would make the whole dslr experience much more
attractive to me.
I can't forget carrying two Nikkormat bodies, three lenses and a
flash and how much that combo weighed!
Every now and then I take out my Nikkormats and wonder how I ever
did it!
Isabel

http://www.pBase.com/isabel95
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipets/
pBase supporter

--
300D Gallery:
http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

Joy in looking and comprehending is nature's most beautiful gift. -- Albert Einstein

 

[android604]

I really don't understand all you people. If you want a better camera, buy the 10D. You ALL knew what you were buying when you picked up the 300D... the 10D was out months before. You knew the differences. If you are dissappointed, its your own fault.

Don't ask Canon to fix your mistakes. Sell the 300D on ebay and buy a 10D.

Secondly, every company has their own thing, thats what makes cameras different. If you aren't happy with the Canon way, go get a Nikon or Fuji. Oh thats right, Canon is the best (at this second in my humble opinion). So tough wait for something else. Patience people.

??? Grow up people.
Andrew

hi,

i'm looking at the 300D for quite some time and kind of comparing
it with the 10D and Nikon D100. I've also read both 300D and 10D
manuals, reviews, online forum discussions on these makers/models
and seen quite some people complaining about the lack of manual
control flexibilites on the 300D model (and even on the 10D for
some features), majority of those lies on the metering,
flash-assist focusing, FEC, lack of custermized preset exposure
settings, etc.

My humble opinion on this:
most of the lacks of controls is due to the firmware limitation.
personally i don't think there's much difference on the hardware
side between the 300D and 10D (plastic vs magnalium body would be
one but this doesn't bother me much). IF canon were willing to, or,
as the price race heats up (in this case, Canon's going to be
forced to), upgrade the 300D firmware, the 300D would be able to
get as much as the 10D gets, except for hardware side such as the
body material.

Question is: Is Canon going to do this on the 300D and allow
existing owners to upgrade the firmware free of charge? A little
firmware improvement sounds likely, huge leap? I really doubt about
this, more likely, Canon will release new models to keep pace with
the price race and technology advancement even sometime it's not
necessary to do so (a little change on the firmware may bring big
improvement on features/controls). I bet you will see this from
Canon for the 1st step as the answer to Nikon's D70 release. But my
guess this is something we'll have to wait till the end of 2004.

So what's gonna be left for us is, keep dumping $$ for its (not
just Canon) new models if you don't feel happy with the one you
have.

 

[bdmm]

I can't imagine them enabling features at least as people around here would like them to. As you suggest, the business case doesn't seem to be there. I agree that the DR takes good photos, and I'm not even a good photographer (first SLR since high school, 20 years ago); but I really want the full control of a full featured SLR, that's why I bought SLR in the first place.

The downside for Canon (from the narrow business case of 'me') is that I'm hesitant to jump into nice lenses since I am somewhat disapointed in the featureset of the DR. I really wanted to buy some nice f/2.8 zoom lenses, but I'm holding off, not sure it's rational, partially emotional, but I'm a bit disapointed, so why jump in further (I'll keep my brand loyalty minimal for now!!).

You're doing the right thing going in well researched. In all honesty, I wouldn't have understood the shortcomings of the DR without experiencing them first hand. The SLR I had 20 years ago was very manual, and many of the current features are new lingo for me. But it only took one kids soccer game to realize lack of forced AI Servo hurts my photos (for example).

Good luck,
Barry

hi,

i'm looking at the 300D for quite some time and kind of comparing
it with the 10D and Nikon D100. I've also read both 300D and 10D
manuals, reviews, online forum discussions on these makers/models
and seen quite some people complaining about the lack of manual
control flexibilites on the 300D model (and even on the 10D for
some features), majority of those lies on the metering,
flash-assist focusing, FEC, lack of custermized preset exposure
settings, etc.

My humble opinion on this:
most of the lacks of controls is due to the firmware limitation.
personally i don't think there's much difference on the hardware
side between the 300D and 10D (plastic vs magnalium body would be
one but this doesn't bother me much). IF canon were willing to, or,
as the price race heats up (in this case, Canon's going to be
forced to), upgrade the 300D firmware, the 300D would be able to
get as much as the 10D gets, except for hardware side such as the
body material.

Question is: Is Canon going to do this on the 300D and allow
existing owners to upgrade the firmware free of charge? A little
firmware improvement sounds likely, huge leap? I really doubt about
this, more likely, Canon will release new models to keep pace with
the price race and technology advancement even sometime it's not
necessary to do so (a little change on the firmware may bring big
improvement on features/controls). I bet you will see this from
Canon for the 1st step as the answer to Nikon's D70 release. But my
guess this is something we'll have to wait till the end of 2004.

So what's gonna be left for us is, keep dumping $$ for its (not
just Canon) new models if you don't feel happy with the one you
have.

 

[TSimboli]

Will the Nikon D70 force Canon to produce an low cost, full featured black body Elan/7 Digital or a product bump to the 10Ds 8-10 megapixel? This way everyone can be happy!
TS

Don't ask Canon to fix your mistakes. Sell the 300D on ebay and buy
a 10D.

Secondly, every company has their own thing, thats what makes
cameras different. If you aren't happy with the Canon way, go get a
Nikon or Fuji. Oh thats right, Canon is the best (at this second in
my humble opinion). So tough wait for something else. Patience
people.

??? Grow up people.
Andrew

hi,

i'm looking at the 300D for quite some time and kind of comparing
it with the 10D and Nikon D100. I've also read both 300D and 10D
manuals, reviews, online forum discussions on these makers/models
and seen quite some people complaining about the lack of manual
control flexibilites on the 300D model (and even on the 10D for
some features), majority of those lies on the metering,
flash-assist focusing, FEC, lack of custermized preset exposure
settings, etc.

My humble opinion on this:
most of the lacks of controls is due to the firmware limitation.
personally i don't think there's much difference on the hardware
side between the 300D and 10D (plastic vs magnalium body would be
one but this doesn't bother me much). IF canon were willing to, or,
as the price race heats up (in this case, Canon's going to be
forced to), upgrade the 300D firmware, the 300D would be able to
get as much as the 10D gets, except for hardware side such as the
body material.

Question is: Is Canon going to do this on the 300D and allow
existing owners to upgrade the firmware free of charge? A little
firmware improvement sounds likely, huge leap? I really doubt about
this, more likely, Canon will release new models to keep pace with
the price race and technology advancement even sometime it's not
necessary to do so (a little change on the firmware may bring big
improvement on features/controls). I bet you will see this from
Canon for the 1st step as the answer to Nikon's D70 release. But my
guess this is something we'll have to wait till the end of 2004.

So what's gonna be left for us is, keep dumping $$ for its (not
just Canon) new models if you don't feel happy with the one you
have.

 

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when it comes to electronics, usually 'heavier means better'

for all the features of the 10D in a body as light as that of the
Rebel. I have held off getting a dslr because of weight issues.
The weight is more of an issue than the cost of the equipment. Of
course it is nice to pay less...but a light system...including
lightweight lenses would make the whole dslr experience much more
attractive to me.
I can't forget carrying two Nikkormat bodies, three lenses and a
flash and how much that combo weighed!
Every now and then I take out my Nikkormats and wonder how I ever
did it!
Isabel

http://www.pBase.com/isabel95
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pBase supporter

 

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i agree...canon will do something for sure to respond to Nikon's D70 release. IMHO, how big and how soon Canon's next move will be depends on how superiorthe D70 as to the 300D. Also, in answering to competitor's new models, as i stated earlier, i doubt Canon will let everybody upgrade the 300D free of charge for a huge leap,even if this is achieveable technically...rather, it'lll probably release new models to ask you to buy them instead

I hope my opinion on this is incorrect

Mike

my humble opinion on this:
there's two things that Canon (or other makers) has to look: one,
consumer demand (how strong, enough needs to form a market?); two,
do others cater?

Nikon's D70 is a solid proof on this. I don't really think there's
doubt about the Nikon's ability of doing this, but why wait until
after Canon did it first?
rule no.1, low-cost, rule no.2, free is bad unless you have to.

but for consumer like you and me, rule#1, least $$ max worth,
rule#2, free is good but only in dream.

And in a year or two I will probably update to another camera.

My humble opinion on this:
most of the lacks of controls is due to the firmware limitation.
personally i don't think there's much difference on the hardware
side between the 300D and 10D (plastic vs magnalium body would be
one but this doesn't bother me much). IF canon were willing to, or,
as the price race heats up (in this case, Canon's going to be
forced to), upgrade the 300D firmware, the 300D would be able to
get as much as the 10D gets, except for hardware side such as the
body material.

Question is: Is Canon going to do this on the 300D and allow
existing owners to upgrade the firmware free of charge? A little
firmware improvement sounds likely, huge leap? I really doubt about
this, more likely, Canon will release new models to keep pace with
the price race and technology advancement even sometime it's not
necessary to do so (a little change on the firmware may bring big
improvement on features/controls). I bet you will see this from
Canon for the 1st step as the answer to Nikon's D70 release. But my
guess this is something we'll have to wait till the end of 2004.

So what's gonna be left for us is, keep dumping $$ for its (not
just Canon) new models if you don't feel happy with the one you
have.

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300D Gallery:
http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

Joy in looking and comprehending is nature's most beautiful gift.
-- Albert Einstein

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http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

Joy in looking and comprehending is nature's most beautiful gift.
-- Albert Einstein