Greg Gebhardt
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Not real happy with the Minolta A1 images.
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I don't know what to do.
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[a light shines from the clouds]
"Greg, this is God talking. Wait for the reviews on 828 and A1, look especially for details on noise and AF performance. THEN you WILL know what to do."
BOooMM!!!!!
[Sorry if this offended anyone, not my intention...]
"Greg, this is God talking. Wait for the reviews on 828 and A1, look especially for details on noise and AF performance. THEN you WILL know what to do."
BOooMM!!!!!
[Sorry if this offended anyone, not my intention...]
stevemoore
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do what i intend to do, sit tight be patient, and wait until we get decent sample pics and reviews, then make your decision.
in the meantime enjoy what you have got.
steve
in the meantime enjoy what you have got.
steve
JohnK
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U have samples ..?
stevemoore
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couldnt agree more im going fishing tomorrow.
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Ulysses
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Would you believe that I'm not laughing AT you, but WITH you??? 
Man, what did I tell you WEEKS ago, Greg?? I GAVE you the sign. You didn't take it.
Ulysses
Man, what did I tell you WEEKS ago, Greg?? I GAVE you the sign. You didn't take it.
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I think many of us who have been using a prosumer cam for a couple of years have been expecting some revolutionary noise improvement from the small 2/3" sensor in the latest round of digicams. It doesn't seem to be happening! There are some small improvements in noise, but the real improvements are in AF, metering, WB, color fidelity, ect. Minolta has added the AntiShake, which does appear to be very effective. Sony has added the RGBE 8MP sensor, but no samples have been posted. My guess is that noise will be an issue. 2 or 3 years ago many more users would look past the noise and be happy with the performance. Now many of us are expecting (requiring?) better.
My guess is that if you are not happy with the noise in the A1, you won't be happy with the noise in the 828. One can only guess though as Sony is the only major manufacturer that has announced a prosumer camera but still has not made a sample available.
Maybe that (noise) is why many of us prosumer users are likely headed for a DSLR in our future, like it or not. I am still going to hold onto some realistic hope for the 828 though...
Paul
My guess is that if you are not happy with the noise in the A1, you won't be happy with the noise in the 828. One can only guess though as Sony is the only major manufacturer that has announced a prosumer camera but still has not made a sample available.
Maybe that (noise) is why many of us prosumer users are likely headed for a DSLR in our future, like it or not. I am still going to hold onto some realistic hope for the 828 though...
Paul
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Ulysses
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My question is: Why did anyone expect it to realistically be otherwise?
The real improvements are in ease of use and number of features available. Sometimes, that is enough to make a buyer out of someone even if the sensor does not perform significantly differently. But we should never be surprised when the noise level is virtually the same in a sensor that is virtually the same.
It will only be an issue for those who continue to expect it to perform differently than the previous two or three generations of camera, as far as noise is concerned. It can be easily argued and demonstrated that even the old F505V performs in the area of noise very similar to current Cyber-shots. There really are no surprises here. A difference of 1um or so doesn't make a huge difference noise-wise.
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But the 828 should have lower noise at least, when downsampled to 5MP resolution, i.e. less noise than the A1. The sample images seem to show no improvement for A1 from D7x. At 8MP resolution a little increase in noise should be acceptable for the 828.
So, Greg might well be satisfied with the 828 noise, but only the reviews and sample images will tell.
So, Greg might well be satisfied with the 828 noise, but only the reviews and sample images will tell.
Harry Behret
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Greg,
Buy all the new cameras, try them out and then return or Ebay the ones that don't pass muster. Don't believe that stuff about three meals a day. You gotta have the right priorities.
Harry
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Buy all the new cameras, try them out and then return or Ebay the ones that don't pass muster. Don't believe that stuff about three meals a day. You gotta have the right priorities.
Harry
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Ulysses
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He just doesn't have that kind of willpower.
Cameras... ANY cameras... make Greg weak in the knees. It's like he's in a trance and walking toward the flame.
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Cameras... ANY cameras... make Greg weak in the knees. It's like he's in a trance and walking toward the flame.
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Steve Cavigliano
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What specifically are you "not happy" about? Those images look like D7i or 7Hi images (with nice controlled lighting). The noise looks decent (due to the lighting?) at ISO100. What expectation, of your's, do these images not meet? I'm not trying to be nosey. But I may have missed something that you picked up on. I'm just curious
Steve
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'The question is not what you look at, but what you see' - Thoreau
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'The question is not what you look at, but what you see' - Thoreau
Hey Greg,
I think you already did all you need to do. You've pre-orderd the A1, right? You'll have some time to get to know this new one while you wait for the F828 at which point you can decide whether to even try the Sony.
I would love to be in your shoes but I can't afford two new cameras and I rather not hassle with selling one of them.
You need to be honest with yourself. You are drawn to the A1 for the same reasons I am. It is the total package and not just the signal to noise ratio in the image. It is the complete controls, the new focus system, the anti-shake. These things are very difficult to ignore.
TurboTed
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I think you already did all you need to do. You've pre-orderd the A1, right? You'll have some time to get to know this new one while you wait for the F828 at which point you can decide whether to even try the Sony.
I would love to be in your shoes but I can't afford two new cameras and I rather not hassle with selling one of them.
You need to be honest with yourself. You are drawn to the A1 for the same reasons I am. It is the total package and not just the signal to noise ratio in the image. It is the complete controls, the new focus system, the anti-shake. These things are very difficult to ignore.
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