Color Temperature?

[Gabriele Sartori]

I noticed for the second time that when I take photos under the strong afternoon sun here in California and there is a landskape with hills etc. (pretty brown) the Color Temperature is totally wrong on my S2:

1)Anybody else got the same problem?

2) Do you use auto color temp a preset or manual set-up??

3) If you have a manual set-up is with a white card or grey card?

In my case the colors are too greenish and muddy. With photoshop they come back but I wish to avoid extra steps.

Thanks for the info.

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Regards
Gabriele Sartori

 

[wing88]

with very good results ...
very convenient, quick, easy .. and accurate ..
just finished some 1800 images from
yesterdays avon descent .. had lots of underexposures
(deliberate) because of strong reflections and glare
(0.5 stops .. I already used +0.5 but didnt want to blow
highlights) ... but NO whitebalance problems ..
I do a whitebalance whenever I change things
like polarizer or not .. lens.. light conditions change ..
I use the two custom sets .. e.g. one with polarizer the
other without and depending which direction I shoot with
or without polarizer I use the different white balance ...
yesterday it was very bad with light .. frontal sun on
white water ... boy ...
anyway it works well for me ..

Have fun
gmd

I noticed for the second time that when I take photos under the
strong afternoon sun here in California and there is a landskape
with hills etc. (pretty brown) the Color Temperature is totally
wrong on my S2:

1)Anybody else got the same problem?

2) Do you use auto color temp a preset or manual set-up??

3) If you have a manual set-up is with a white card or grey card?

In my case the colors are too greenish and muddy. With photoshop
they come back but I wish to avoid extra steps.

Thanks for the info.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

 

[MVH]

We, up here in the rain and clouds are now in our 3rd month without rain and British Columbia, Canada is on fire (forrest fires).

Now, what's the question?... Color outdoors is great here.... but if you post examples perhaps it would be easier to see...
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M. Haner
Bellingham,WA.

 

[Gabriele Sartori]

if you post examples perhaps it would be easier to see...

You can also see them here:
http://www.pbase.com/sartorig/gallery/color_temperature

The first is the original, the second the adjusted. Look at the aluminium of the trailer how green it is. Our hills are brown these days.

Original:



Adjusted:



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Regards
Gabriele Sartori

 

[wing88]

you have green reflections in the alluminium
and predominantly that greyish colour ..
dont' think the auto could do that perfect ...
thats the situations where I do a custom wb
with the exposdisc .. and it usually works ..

have fun
gmd

if you post examples perhaps it would be easier to see...

You can also see them here:
http://www.pbase.com/sartorig/gallery/color_temperature

The first is the original, the second the adjusted. Look at the
aluminium of the trailer how green it is. Our hills are brown these
days.

Original:



Adjusted:



--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

 

[Eddy Smit]

I agree, it's to green. But the 2nd one is a little overcompensated and to red in my opinion. In the other pic "labelcrop" it is also very clear that your D100 is doing a better job on colors. Maybe your Fuji needs a new calibration...

if you post examples perhaps it would be easier to see...

You can also see them here:
http://www.pbase.com/sartorig/gallery/color_temperature

The first is the original, the second the adjusted. Look at the
aluminium of the trailer how green it is. Our hills are brown these
days.

Original:



Adjusted:



--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

 

[froggee]

Maybe I have asked this already, but... are you in Southern Ca? At first glance I thought maybe it was the 91 freeway back there near corona

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froggee (aka Wendy)
http://www.pbase.com/froggee
http://members.cox.net/froggee

 

[Gabriele Sartori]

Maybe I have asked this already, but... are you in Southern Ca? At
first glance I thought maybe it was the 91 freeway back there near
corona

Froggee I think you are asking to me. No unfortunately, I love S. Ca, but this is N. Ca. The freeway is the 580 and it is the section from Dublin to the East Bay of the San Francisco Bay area.

Not that these are bad places but being Italian the S.Ca lifestyle seems closer to mine

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Regards
Gabriele Sartori

 

[Gabriele Sartori]

I agree, it's to green. But the 2nd one is a little overcompensated
and to red in my opinion. In the other pic "labelcrop" it is also
very clear that your D100 is doing a better job on colors. Maybe
your Fuji needs a new calibration...

This S2 is just a little bit more than a month old. I hope I don't have to send it in.
BTW are you using pre-set white balance or Auto?

Although my backpack has always a Kodak grey card in a pocket, I hate the idea of routinely to manual white balance.

The corrected photo may be a little bit overcompensated but beside the horse (that I can't remember very well) all the other colors are basically what we have here in a sunny summer day.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

 

[Gabriele Sartori]

with very good results ...

OK, but do you set the white balance any single time?

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

 

[Igoforit]

I have the same problem (mostly on sunny blue sky days ...even in Belgium). I have seen it from many S2s. In my opinion, it is a class problem.
I correct this in batch using Qimage.

I haven't heard of any possibility to re-calibrate the camera. In fact, it it where a calibration issue, I would expect all types of occasional deviations. I always see the greenisch color cast.
Just my opinion,
Regards,
Jos

I noticed for the second time that when I take photos under the
strong afternoon sun here in California and there is a landskape
with hills etc. (pretty brown) the Color Temperature is totally
wrong on my S2:

1)Anybody else got the same problem?

2) Do you use auto color temp a preset or manual set-up??

3) If you have a manual set-up is with a white card or grey card?

In my case the colors are too greenish and muddy. With photoshop
they come back but I wish to avoid extra steps.

Thanks for the info.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

 

[Gabriele Sartori]

I have the same problem (mostly on sunny blue sky days ...even in
Belgium). I have seen it from many S2s. In my opinion, it is a
class problem.

Excuse my ignorance, what do you mean by "it is a class problem" ?

BTW I have the D100 as well, the two cameras seem almost identical but the D100 don't have ths problem.

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Regards
Gabriele Sartori

 

[Igoforit]

Sorry, my error I guess. English is not my primary language.

I didn't intend to suggest that this was a problem of all 6mp class DSLRs. I think it is typical for S2 using auto-WB on sunny days. I agree that with custom WB, this can be avoided.

I have also seen once an ICC profile that corrected this, but that introduced some other problems in my opinion.
Regards,
Jos

I have the same problem (mostly on sunny blue sky days ...even in
Belgium). I have seen it from many S2s. In my opinion, it is a
class problem.

Excuse my ignorance, what do you mean by "it is a class problem" ?

BTW I have the D100 as well, the two cameras seem almost identical
but the D100 don't have ths problem.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

 

[Eddy Smit]

Most of the time I use auto, and when I must use a custom WB it is mostly to dark to make one...

I was looking at Froggees pics and noticed the same green in some of her pics, so I also was wondering if you lived in the same area. Maybe you have some special light conditions over there

I agree, it's to green. But the 2nd one is a little overcompensated
and to red in my opinion. In the other pic "labelcrop" it is also
very clear that your D100 is doing a better job on colors. Maybe
your Fuji needs a new calibration...

This S2 is just a little bit more than a month old. I hope I don't
have to send it in.
BTW are you using pre-set white balance or Auto?

Although my backpack has always a Kodak grey card in a pocket, I
hate the idea of routinely to manual white balance.

The corrected photo may be a little bit overcompensated but beside
the horse (that I can't remember very well) all the other colors
are basically what we have here in a sunny summer day.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

 

[jacques]

For me late afternoon, early evening, well the first is right and the second is wrong,

jacques.

 

[jacques]

Hi Jos,

heb al drie replies weggegooid, maar vind je werkelijk een compleet niet te genieten zeur.

Heb ook nog nooit een enkele fijne foto van je hand gezien, heb er zelfs spijt van, dat ik je ooit om niets CR123Atjes heb geleverd.

Ga maar verder in je levenm liggen zeiken over kleurwaarden en wat nog in je op komt, fotograferen dat kan je niet, maar zeuren des te beter.

jacques.

Ik hoop, dat ik je nooit meer ontmoet, wat een hopeloze zeur ben jij.

Asperger ???

 

[Gabriele Sartori]

you have green reflections in the alluminium
and predominantly that greyish colour ..
dont' think the auto could do that perfect ...
thats the situations where I do a custom wb
with the exposdisc .. and it usually works ..

A problem that I see with custom white balance is that some hues due to the particular light (at dawn, at sunset) are pretty to see in their original colors just like the human eyes see them.

Tonight I took a few photos doing custom setup on the S2 with my Kodak grey card. The colors were perfect but the pictures lost the tipical sunset colors.

On the other side using auto or even the "fine weather" preset, the pictres were too warm and too green.
What do you do in these situations?

Is quite upsetting, I repeated the test with the D100 and the outcome is identical to what my eyes see. The D100 hasn't powerful colors, they are usually pretty much washed out and there isn't "wow" effect. On the other side though they are honest colors. Anyway to overcome this?

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

 

[Gabriele Sartori]

For me late afternoon, early evening, well the first is right and
the second is wrong,

it was 1:30 pm with a killer California sun in a bright day in August.

no, trust me, the first horse is not right. Everything is green in that photo even the hills a little and those are 100% not green

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Regards
Gabriele Sartori

 

[wing88]

1. shoot RAW on AUTO and
correct in PS where needed
but more conservatively than you have done
in the example ..

2. Do custom WB
place warming filter
Shoot JPG with custom WB ORG ORG OFF

3. Do custom WB
Shoot JPG ORG ORG OFF
warm up in PS

by the way .. my exposidsc makes better wb than any gray/white
card .. I also tend to get a little green on the gray card ...
its the reflections on the card .. not as neutral as expo disc ..
its subtle but its there ... I can do a comparison when I
find the time ... I use the expo disc a lot in studio .. will
do some jewellery again today ... can try a comparison
between gray card and expo .. but its more obvious outdoors
in bright light ...

Have fun
gmd

you have green reflections in the alluminium
and predominantly that greyish colour ..
dont' think the auto could do that perfect ...
thats the situations where I do a custom wb
with the exposdisc .. and it usually works ..

A problem that I see with custom white balance is that some hues
due to the particular light (at dawn, at sunset) are pretty to see
in their original colors just like the human eyes see them.
Tonight I took a few photos doing custom setup on the S2 with my
Kodak grey card. The colors were perfect but the pictures lost the
tipical sunset colors.
On the other side using auto or even the "fine weather" preset, the
pictres were too warm and too green.
What do you do in these situations?
Is quite upsetting, I repeated the test with the D100 and the
outcome is identical to what my eyes see. The D100 hasn't powerful
colors, they are usually pretty much washed out and there isn't
"wow" effect. On the other side though they are honest colors.
Anyway to overcome this?

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

 

[Anthony32599]

Hopefully the next Fuji SLR will have a color temperature adjustment for fine tuning. Then of course, the forum will be filled with questions about what temp setting for various lighting situations.

There are ways to "fine tune" your custom white balance such as expo disc. You could experiment with different color papers for example, to get different white balances. I think even various shades of white could be used to fine tune a white balance, with experimentation and practice.

My suggestion for your situation: Choose the sunshine setting (is that what you're calling the "fine weather" setting?) and make sure you're at ORG color and tone. Anything else will tend to "pop" the colors and make the greens stand out.

The difference between the D100 and S2 is likened to D100=accurate colors vs. S2=the colors you remember. Most people prefer the S2 for that reason, as I recall.

Anthony

you have green reflections in the alluminium
and predominantly that greyish colour ..
dont' think the auto could do that perfect ...
thats the situations where I do a custom wb
with the exposdisc .. and it usually works ..

A problem that I see with custom white balance is that some hues
due to the particular light (at dawn, at sunset) are pretty to see
in their original colors just like the human eyes see them.
Tonight I took a few photos doing custom setup on the S2 with my
Kodak grey card. The colors were perfect but the pictures lost the
tipical sunset colors.
On the other side using auto or even the "fine weather" preset, the
pictres were too warm and too green.
What do you do in these situations?
Is quite upsetting, I repeated the test with the D100 and the
outcome is identical to what my eyes see. The D100 hasn't powerful
colors, they are usually pretty much washed out and there isn't
"wow" effect. On the other side though they are honest colors.
Anyway to overcome this?

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori