OT Is 'forgot' an obsolete form?

[Brian Vallelunga]

Hi Todd, present tense isn't necessarily this moment. It's just the
verb form is in the infinitive, with or without to.
You can say, 'I leave tommorrow on the 10am flight to Singapore'
and that's the present tense but it clearly indicates the future.

"I leave tomorrow on the 10am flight to Singapore" while using simple present, does talk about the future. I might therefore say it is the future tense.

This is used when you talk about scheduled future events. Verbs such as: start, leave, end, and begin are often used this way.

This is all according to my ESL book that I'm teaching out of. In fact, I just taught this a couple weeks ago.

Brian

 

[Brian Vallelunga]

Ulysses: "I forget my chemistry, but how might she be helped to do
that?"

This is equivalent to:

"I currently don't remember my chemistry..."

or, it could be habitual, such as...

"I forget my keys every day."

I think it is probably closer to the first one though.

Brian

 

[john lumb]

Ahh Yehuda

English

I we have forgotten when I last went to school

I we forgot to go to school today

I we forget to go school all the time

try explaining cough and Slough (place), Reading and Reading (place) all read the same but pronouced differently.

Hi friends,

I notice in messages over here, and elsewhere, the the past tense
of 'forget' is 'forget'. I saw it in twice Uly mails (whom I think
to use good English), as well in others'.

In a hotel at Atlantic City I saw a reminder: 'Did you forget
something in your room?'.

Is this new American English? Is this past form 'forget' accepted
as correct? At schools we had to memorize:
'forget-forgot-forgotten'... (I already forget when did I visit
school).

Always learning, Yehuda

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[Todd Meyers]

Thanks, but I didn't intend to cover every conceivable case, just the one used in the sentence I quoted.



Todd

Todd

Ulysses: "I forget whether you mentioned it or not, but did you ... "
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=5143421

Need more?

That's present tense.

I'm uncomfortable with this explanation. Sorry.

Yehuda

 

[john lumb]

Hi friends,

I notice in messages over here, and elsewhere, the the past tense
of 'forget' is 'forget'. I saw it in twice Uly mails (whom I think
to use good English), as well in others'.

In a hotel at Atlantic City I saw a reminder: 'Did you forget
something in your room?'.

Should read, "Have you forgotten something in your room?"

Is this new American English? Is this past form 'forget' accepted
as correct? At schools we had to memorize:
'forget-forgot-forgotten'... (I already forget when did I visit
school).

Always learning, Yehuda

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http://www.pbase.com/jonjo
pbase supporter

 

[JoeSchmoe]

Yehuda, my friend, let me congratulate you (not that you were looking for congratulations) on creating yet another interesting thread in this forum. And this one does not even have a beautiful girl in it.

Joe

Hi friends,

I notice in messages over here, and elsewhere, the the past tense
of 'forget' is 'forget'. I saw it in twice Uly mails (whom I think
to use good English), as well in others'.

In a hotel at Atlantic City I saw a reminder: 'Did you forget
something in your room?'.

Is this new American English? Is this past form 'forget' accepted
as correct? At schools we had to memorize:
'forget-forgot-forgotten'... (I already forget when did I visit
school).

Always learning, Yehuda

 

[ianR]

Hello Brian

Hi Todd, present tense isn't necessarily this moment. It's just the
verb form is in the infinitive, with or without to.
You can say, 'I leave tommorrow on the 10am flight to Singapore'
and that's the present tense but it clearly indicates the future.

"I leave tomorrow on the 10am flight to Singapore" while using
simple present, does talk about the future. I might therefore say
it is the future tense.

This is used when you talk about scheduled future events. Verbs
such as: start, leave, end, and begin are often used this way.

This is all according to my ESL book that I'm teaching out of. In
fact, I just taught this a couple weeks ago.

Brian

Yes all of that is true, and I did say that it's unhelpful to say that there are only two tenses but it is entirely accurate. It isn't a tense it's a future form.

And yes, we use the simple present to indicate very firm arrangements in the future. I agree with you entirely and I would teach it the same was as you so as not to confuse my students.
regards
Ian

 

[Todd Meyers]

There are a lot of implied meanings in any language. Like a waiter escorting you to the table might say, "Right this way." If you diagram the sentence, there is no subject or verb, but they are both implied. What he's really saying is "(You come) right this way." Or if you ask, "Where is the restroom?" and he replies, "Over there." What he's saying is, "(It is) over there."

(I) hope that makes sense!

Todd

Sorry, but Ron is correct. It is present tense. "(At this moment)
I forget whether you mentioned it or not, but did you ... "

Todd,

With "at this moment" I have no problem were it explicitly
mentioned. But again, I'm not an expert in English. I'm only a
spectator standing at the side and trying to understand English
syntax conventions.

Thank you, Yehuda

 

[Yehuda Katz]

1. We forget the oaths we took last year.

This 'forget' denotes a habit, and I see no problem with it. But Uly's sentence indicated a momentary fact, not a habit. These are different cases.

2. We forgot the oaths we took last year.
In the second case, we are stating our disposition at some past
time towards an even earlier event.

I thought that the last half sentence should be in past perfect, as it indicates, as you mention, an even earlier past.

But this is a too far stretching OT, so let's leave this past perfect issue for another day.

 

[Todd Meyers]

Actually, I think the most simple and unconfusing statement would read, "Have you left anything in your room?"

LOL...I wonder if the person who wrote that sign had any idea they would cause such controversy?

Todd

Hi friends,

I notice in messages over here, and elsewhere, the the past tense
of 'forget' is 'forget'. I saw it in twice Uly mails (whom I think
to use good English), as well in others'.

In a hotel at Atlantic City I saw a reminder: 'Did you forget
something in your room?'.

Should read, "Have you forgotten something in your room?"

Is this new American English? Is this past form 'forget' accepted
as correct? At schools we had to memorize:
'forget-forgot-forgotten'... (I already forget when did I visit
school).

Always learning, Yehuda

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[EmnmE]

In a hotel at Atlantic City I saw a reminder: 'Did you forget
something in your room?'.

maybe somebody has mentioned that already... but that has been case, right?

Cheers!

:: EmnmE ::

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[Todd Meyers]

We should give thanks to whomever wrote that hotel sign. I wonder if he had any idea he would cause such controversy?

Todd

Joe

Hi friends,

I notice in messages over here, and elsewhere, the the past tense
of 'forget' is 'forget'. I saw it in twice Uly mails (whom I think
to use good English), as well in others'.

In a hotel at Atlantic City I saw a reminder: 'Did you forget
something in your room?'.

Is this new American English? Is this past form 'forget' accepted
as correct? At schools we had to memorize:
'forget-forgot-forgotten'... (I already forget when did I visit
school).

Always learning, Yehuda

 

[Todd Meyers]

Yep. Part of the confusion is that the sentence is phrased as a question. The statement form would read, "You did forget something in your room." I think most people would recognize that as present tense. It is technically present emphatic tense, I believe.

Todd

In a hotel at Atlantic City I saw a reminder: 'Did you forget
something in your room?'.

maybe somebody has mentioned that already... but that has been
case, right?

Cheers!

:: EmnmE ::

http://www.LostFocus.com
http://www.EmnmE.com

'if that can be done, heck I can do it myself too (all I need is a
camera)' - lostFocus

 

[Yehuda Katz]

There are a lot of implied meanings in any language. Like a waiter
escorting you to the table might say, "Right this way." If you
diagram the sentence, there is no subject or verb, but they are
both implied. What he's really saying is "(You come) right this
way." Or if you ask, "Where is the restroom?" and he replies,
"Over there." What he's saying is, "(It is) over there."

(I) hope that makes sense!

Todd,

Sure it makes sense. This phenomenon is called 'ellipsis', and is found, I believe, in any language. Examples: "Behind you!", "Good morning", "Thank you".

Thank you, Yehuda

 

[Yehuda Katz]

Ulysses: "I forget my chemistry, but how might she be helped to do
that?"

This is equivalent to:

"I currently don't remember my chemistry..."

or, it could be habitual, such as...

"I forget my keys every day."

I think it is probably closer to the first one though.

Thank you, Brian.

Yehuda

 

[Todd Meyers]

Yehuda, you know more than I gave you credit for. I minored in English as an undergraduate, so I was excited to dust off my knowledge a bit. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was talking down to you. I just knew English wasn't your primary language. I'm quite impressed!

Todd

There are a lot of implied meanings in any language. Like a waiter
escorting you to the table might say, "Right this way." If you
diagram the sentence, there is no subject or verb, but they are
both implied. What he's really saying is "(You come) right this
way." Or if you ask, "Where is the restroom?" and he replies,
"Over there." What he's saying is, "(It is) over there."

(I) hope that makes sense!

Todd,

Sure it makes sense. This phenomenon is called 'ellipsis', and is
found, I believe, in any language. Examples: "Behind you!", "Good
morning", "Thank you".

Thank you, Yehuda

 

[Yehuda Katz]

Ahh Yehuda, English
I we forget to go school all the time

John, my friend,

I've no problem with your above 'forget' that denotes a habit. My problem is with 'forget' that denotes a momentary action.

try explaining cough and Slough (place), Reading and Reading
(place) all read the same but pronouced differently.

Why go so far? Compare 'read' in present time, to 'read' in past time...

Regards, Yehuda

 

[Yehuda Katz]

Yehuda, you know more than I gave you credit for. I minored in
English as an undergraduate, so I was excited to dust off my
knowledge a bit. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was talking
down to you.

Did I sound being hurt in any form? Sorry, but I have absolutely not such a feeling, so nothing to be sorry about.

Have an excellent day, Yehuda

 

[Yehuda Katz]

In a hotel at Atlantic City I saw a reminder: 'Did you forget
something in your room?'.

John,

I appologized for my mistake. The note said: "forget something in your room?".

Yehuda

 

[Yehuda Katz]

Yehuda, my friend, let me congratulate you (not that you were
looking for congratulations) on creating yet another interesting
thread in this forum. And this one does not even have a beautiful
girl in it.

Joe,

What a nice guy are you!!!

My daily photo is running already. For tomorrow I have a girl for you.

The best, Yehuda