New power system for SD9

Just a little change for my SD9 Power system,
you can diy yourself , no need CR 123 A Battery again
please comment
I can't help thinking that there's got to be some good reason not to do this. I just can't think of what it is.

Sigma and Fuji (with their S2) make some pretty heavy modifications to the film cameras (Sigma SA-9 and Nikon N80) that they use. This seems like such a trivial morification. Nikon and Canon managed to do a pretty good job of it in their D100 and D60.

Sigma isn't stupid. They have to know how the whole "double battery" thing affects people's perception of the camera. They've seen Fuji get slammed by the press repeatedly over the last couple of years for needing two batteries. Adding a single wire is such a low cost way around this problem that there must be a catch.

Silly theories: the lithium battery runs the motors and solenoids part of the camera, so the separate batteries allow Sigma to isolate the sensitive digital electronics from back EMF from the electromechanical components. Or the rechargable battery pack couldn't deliver sufficient power to reliably operate both the digital electronics and the electromechanical components simultaneously, so they opted to leave in the small lithium, rather than making the AA battery pack bigger.

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Ciao!

Joe
 
Joe, since part of the above procedure (placing a nimh in the CR place) was also on my mind (and I posted it here several times) I have to say that I thought the same, that Sigma can't be that stupid. The point is however that this works, I even had mine running with 4 nimh cells and a simple wire to use their power instead of the CRs. However it is also possible to do the mod described above without touching the body, the wire that is needed (and infact only one is needed) can go through a hole between the AA tray and the CR place.

Dominic
Just a little change for my SD9 Power system,
you can diy yourself , no need CR 123 A Battery again
please comment
I can't help thinking that there's got to be some good reason not
to do this. I just can't think of what it is.

Sigma and Fuji (with their S2) make some pretty heavy modifications
to the film cameras (Sigma SA-9 and Nikon N80) that they use. This
seems like such a trivial morification. Nikon and Canon managed to
do a pretty good job of it in their D100 and D60.

Sigma isn't stupid. They have to know how the whole "double
battery" thing affects people's perception of the camera. They've
seen Fuji get slammed by the press repeatedly over the last couple
of years for needing two batteries. Adding a single wire is such a
low cost way around this problem that there must be a catch.

Silly theories: the lithium battery runs the motors and solenoids
part of the camera, so the separate batteries allow Sigma to
isolate the sensitive digital electronics from back EMF from the
electromechanical components. Or the rechargable battery pack
couldn't deliver sufficient power to reliably operate both the
digital electronics and the electromechanical components
simultaneously, so they opted to leave in the small lithium, rather
than making the AA battery pack bigger.

--
Ciao!

Joe
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Hey Dominic,

Can you post your schematics, for your 1 battery type operation?
Dominic
Just a little change for my SD9 Power system,
you can diy yourself , no need CR 123 A Battery again
please comment
I can't help thinking that there's got to be some good reason not
to do this. I just can't think of what it is.

Sigma and Fuji (with their S2) make some pretty heavy modifications
to the film cameras (Sigma SA-9 and Nikon N80) that they use. This
seems like such a trivial morification. Nikon and Canon managed to
do a pretty good job of it in their D100 and D60.

Sigma isn't stupid. They have to know how the whole "double
battery" thing affects people's perception of the camera. They've
seen Fuji get slammed by the press repeatedly over the last couple
of years for needing two batteries. Adding a single wire is such a
low cost way around this problem that there must be a catch.

Silly theories: the lithium battery runs the motors and solenoids
part of the camera, so the separate batteries allow Sigma to
isolate the sensitive digital electronics from back EMF from the
electromechanical components. Or the rechargable battery pack
couldn't deliver sufficient power to reliably operate both the
digital electronics and the electromechanical components
simultaneously, so they opted to leave in the small lithium, rather
than making the AA battery pack bigger.

--
Ciao!

Joe
--
http://www.domgross.de
please don't run away because of the cheap design of the first page :)
ICQ UIN: 289647506
--
Sigma SD9
24-70EX
Olympus c4040z
http://kwietone0.tripod.com
Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/kosly_joseph
 
I second the request! :)
Can you post your schematics, for your 1 battery type operation?
Dominic
Just a little change for my SD9 Power system,
you can diy yourself , no need CR 123 A Battery again
please comment
I can't help thinking that there's got to be some good reason not
to do this. I just can't think of what it is.

Sigma and Fuji (with their S2) make some pretty heavy modifications
to the film cameras (Sigma SA-9 and Nikon N80) that they use. This
seems like such a trivial morification. Nikon and Canon managed to
do a pretty good job of it in their D100 and D60.

Sigma isn't stupid. They have to know how the whole "double
battery" thing affects people's perception of the camera. They've
seen Fuji get slammed by the press repeatedly over the last couple
of years for needing two batteries. Adding a single wire is such a
low cost way around this problem that there must be a catch.

Silly theories: the lithium battery runs the motors and solenoids
part of the camera, so the separate batteries allow Sigma to
isolate the sensitive digital electronics from back EMF from the
electromechanical components. Or the rechargable battery pack
couldn't deliver sufficient power to reliably operate both the
digital electronics and the electromechanical components
simultaneously, so they opted to leave in the small lithium, rather
than making the AA battery pack bigger.

--
Ciao!

Joe
--
http://www.domgross.de
please don't run away because of the cheap design of the first page :)
ICQ UIN: 289647506
--
Sigma SD9
24-70EX
Olympus c4040z
http://kwietone0.tripod.com
Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/kosly_joseph
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http://www.whiteorangedesign.com/
 
Hi Dominic,

I'm not an SD9 owner, but am seriously considering a purchase. I'm curious about how many shots you can take with the CR123 bypassed this way? Is it feasible to use the camera wired like this all the time? Or is battery life too short?

Thanks,

steve
Dominic
Just a little change for my SD9 Power system,
you can diy yourself , no need CR 123 A Battery again
please comment
I can't help thinking that there's got to be some good reason not
to do this. I just can't think of what it is.

Sigma and Fuji (with their S2) make some pretty heavy modifications
to the film cameras (Sigma SA-9 and Nikon N80) that they use. This
seems like such a trivial morification. Nikon and Canon managed to
do a pretty good job of it in their D100 and D60.

Sigma isn't stupid. They have to know how the whole "double
battery" thing affects people's perception of the camera. They've
seen Fuji get slammed by the press repeatedly over the last couple
of years for needing two batteries. Adding a single wire is such a
low cost way around this problem that there must be a catch.

Silly theories: the lithium battery runs the motors and solenoids
part of the camera, so the separate batteries allow Sigma to
isolate the sensitive digital electronics from back EMF from the
electromechanical components. Or the rechargable battery pack
couldn't deliver sufficient power to reliably operate both the
digital electronics and the electromechanical components
simultaneously, so they opted to leave in the small lithium, rather
than making the AA battery pack bigger.

--
Ciao!

Joe
--
http://www.domgross.de
please don't run away because of the cheap design of the first page :)
ICQ UIN: 289647506
 
I am afraid I have a bigger Problem to show you details since the SD9 is my only digital Camera, I tried it once with a DV Camcorder but the people who saw this picture had big problems of seeing what I mean, DV is just not suited for Macro stuff. It is one wire and you have to build a small part (you could use an old pen like I did, hot plastic glue (don't really know how it is called in english), a cork, or what comes in your way that has approximatly the thikness of a CR and half the length...

The 4 Battery setup lasted about 90 shoots, for the D side (the Digital electrics) it was still ok but for the CR side the voltage was too low.

Therefore I connected the 5th battery to the 4 D Batteries and this connection of now 5 cells to the CR contact.

I am still not sure if I keep this setup, I was happy with the CRs. 1500 shoots are ok and I don't have to care about recharging them...

On the other hand I can get my beloved Sanyo nimhs (2100mah) for about 3-4$ each and better CRs are the same price....

I started shooting just after I finished the mod about one hour ago (I completly forgot about it because everything was ok with my battery usage)

To simulate real shooting with deleting, reviewing etc. I review them after shooting 12 and delete them all. So far I am at 68 with a lot of AF usage (every shoot, thats quite unnormal for me). The first thing to note is that when you shoot 6 hires in a row the Batteries are drained that much during writing that the Camera indicates the CRs as halffull after everything is done they are showing up full again :)

Pictures later

Dominic
How about a hack to allow using just a bunch of CR123A batteries
instead?

They're available for as low as $1 each now
( http://www.botachtactical.com ) and seem to be becoming a widely
available standard power source for flashlights.

j
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JUST looking,

Woah THANK you for that LINK:) It makes you wonder why Radio shack charges an arm and a leg for their CR123's.. I'm gonna get my cr123's from there from now on ..:)

1 dollar a pop, and now alternative power doesn't seem necessary anymore .. :) Although i'm still interested in the other schematics, that doesnt require opening the camera :
How about a hack to allow using just a bunch of CR123A batteries
instead?

They're available for as low as $1 each now
( http://www.botachtactical.com ) and seem to be becoming a widely
available standard power source for flashlights.

j
--
Sigma SD9
24-70EX
Olympus c4040z
http://kwietone0.tripod.com
Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/kosly_joseph
 
The 4 Battery setup lasted about 90 shoots, for the D side (the
Digital electrics) it was still ok but for the CR side the voltage
was too low.
Therefore I connected the 5th battery to the 4 D Batteries and this
connection of now 5 cells to the CR contact.
Be very, very careful doing this. The fifth battery won't discharge as much as the other four, which could lead to trouble when you're charging them. If you mix the cells and the less discharged cell ends up in series with one of the more discharged cells, you can cause a cell to reverse, overheat, or blow up in the most annoying (and smelly) fashion.

How about a DC-DC converter on the output of the 4 cells, to kick the output up from 5.8v to 7v.

Or run everything off 5 series connected cells, and use 2 diode voltage drops to send a safer, lower voltage to the digital electronics.

--
Ciao!

Joe
 
Schematics please..

for the less electronically gifted folks like myself.
The 4 Battery setup lasted about 90 shoots, for the D side (the
Digital electrics) it was still ok but for the CR side the voltage
was too low.
Therefore I connected the 5th battery to the 4 D Batteries and this
connection of now 5 cells to the CR contact.
Be very, very careful doing this. The fifth battery won't discharge
as much as the other four, which could lead to trouble when you're
charging them. If you mix the cells and the less discharged cell
ends up in series with one of the more discharged cells, you can
cause a cell to reverse, overheat, or blow up in the most annoying
(and smelly) fashion.

How about a DC-DC converter on the output of the 4 cells, to kick
the output up from 5.8v to 7v.

Or run everything off 5 series connected cells, and use 2 diode
voltage drops to send a safer, lower voltage to the digital
electronics.

--
Ciao!

Joe
--
Sigma SD9
24-70EX
Olympus c4040z
http://kwietone0.tripod.com
Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/kosly_joseph
 
The 4 Battery setup lasted about 90 shoots, for the D side (the
Digital electrics) it was still ok but for the CR side the voltage
was too low.
Therefore I connected the 5th battery to the 4 D Batteries and this
connection of now 5 cells to the CR contact.
Be very, very careful doing this. The fifth battery won't discharge
as much as the other four, which could lead to trouble when you're
charging them. If you mix the cells and the less discharged cell
ends up in series with one of the more discharged cells, you can
cause a cell to reverse, overheat, or blow up in the most annoying
(and smelly) fashion.
This was one of my concern and why I burried the idea some weeks ago and thats what I always got some persons (no names here) to think in some mails:

"number 5 is only added for the CR replacement (5x 1,25 = 6,25V), this means that this fifth battery gets drained very slowly (the CR part does not consume much power) and therefore should not be mixed up with the D Batteries for usage or charging it would be better to use the same Cell for this each time."
How about a DC-DC converter on the output of the 4 cells, to kick
the output up from 5.8v to 7v.
Always the question how one calculates, at their working point the nimh only give 1.25 which gives us 5V anyway the problem is power consumption of the DC-DC converter. Have some step ups lying around here and another problem is that they can't deliver the high current that is needed when the mirror flips up...
Or run everything off 5 series connected cells, and use 2 diode
voltage drops to send a safer, lower voltage to the digital
electronics.
Would be possible but would need at least a second wire, a selfmade contact to put in the tray, the diodes... Not enough space for this (at least without opening the body ;) ). And I don't want to touch the body and what I consider to be an advantage is that this setup is so simple that I can pull it out whenever and wherever I am and want to use CRs or reinsert it if I have no CRs availible or don't want to use them (with some fideling to find the hole)

For now I marked this Cell and another one and will charge them seperatly.

Dominic

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CR+ Contact -- AA5
~
CR- Contact ~
~ ~
D- Contact ~
~ ~
AA4 ~
AA3 ~
AA2 ~
AA1 ~
~ ~
D+ Contact----------~
for the less electronically gifted folks like myself.
The 4 Battery setup lasted about 90 shoots, for the D side (the
Digital electrics) it was still ok but for the CR side the voltage
was too low.
Therefore I connected the 5th battery to the 4 D Batteries and this
connection of now 5 cells to the CR contact.
Be very, very careful doing this. The fifth battery won't discharge
as much as the other four, which could lead to trouble when you're
charging them. If you mix the cells and the less discharged cell
ends up in series with one of the more discharged cells, you can
cause a cell to reverse, overheat, or blow up in the most annoying
(and smelly) fashion.

How about a DC-DC converter on the output of the 4 cells, to kick
the output up from 5.8v to 7v.

Or run everything off 5 series connected cells, and use 2 diode
voltage drops to send a safer, lower voltage to the digital
electronics.

--
Ciao!

Joe
--
Sigma SD9
24-70EX
Olympus c4040z
http://kwietone0.tripod.com
Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/kosly_joseph
--
http://www.domgross.de
please don't run away because of the cheap design of the first page :)
ICQ UIN: 289647506
 
CR+ Contact -- AA5
I
CR- Contact I
I I
D- Contact I
I I
AA4 I
AA3 I
AA2 I
AA1 I
I I
D+ Contact----------I

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DA** forum, just think that the I on the rigth bottom and the AA5 are connected...
CR+ Contact -- AA5
I
CR- Contact
I
D- Contact
I
AA4
AA3
AA2
AA1
I
D+ Contact----------I

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please don't run away because of the cheap design of the first page :)
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please don't run away because of the cheap design of the first page :)
ICQ UIN: 289647506
 
http://www.sd9.250x.com/sd9_power/

placed some pictures there.
for the less electronically gifted folks like myself.
The 4 Battery setup lasted about 90 shoots, for the D side (the
Digital electrics) it was still ok but for the CR side the voltage
was too low.
Therefore I connected the 5th battery to the 4 D Batteries and this
connection of now 5 cells to the CR contact.
Be very, very careful doing this. The fifth battery won't discharge
as much as the other four, which could lead to trouble when you're
charging them. If you mix the cells and the less discharged cell
ends up in series with one of the more discharged cells, you can
cause a cell to reverse, overheat, or blow up in the most annoying
(and smelly) fashion.

How about a DC-DC converter on the output of the 4 cells, to kick
the output up from 5.8v to 7v.

Or run everything off 5 series connected cells, and use 2 diode
voltage drops to send a safer, lower voltage to the digital
electronics.

--
Ciao!

Joe
--
Sigma SD9
24-70EX
Olympus c4040z
http://kwietone0.tripod.com
Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/kosly_joseph
--
http://www.domgross.de
please don't run away because of the cheap design of the first page :)
ICQ UIN: 289647506
 

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