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Worst software I've ever seen
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@CrystalClear@
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Ken,
I sent you an email.
-Crystal
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I sent you an email.
-Crystal
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Laurence Matson
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Ken,
This is the right thing to do. To learn the most out of something like this, just be careful about consigning blame.
Enough is enough.
Laurence
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http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
This is the right thing to do. To learn the most out of something like this, just be careful about consigning blame.
Enough is enough.
Laurence
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Just Looking
Veteran Member
was it something I said?
personally I prefer to never connect the camera to the computer. I just put the CF into the reader, drag the files over, and work off the hard drive. I hope your "enough is enough" comment wasn't really meant as a reply to me.
j
Dominic Groß
Veteran Member
Well said!
Thats what I wanted to say all the time. I am sure you don't mean the same but after reading all your posts and seeing how clueless (and that is the nicest description I can think of) you are and how you constantly missed the points I thought "enough is enough" several times.
I am glad that you are sending the Camera back because it is simply the wrong tool for you (it could be the right one if you were willing to learn a bit), as I already said you will be better of with a P+S made for the avarage user.
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Thats what I wanted to say all the time. I am sure you don't mean the same but after reading all your posts and seeing how clueless (and that is the nicest description I can think of) you are and how you constantly missed the points I thought "enough is enough" several times.
I am glad that you are sending the Camera back because it is simply the wrong tool for you (it could be the right one if you were willing to learn a bit), as I already said you will be better of with a P+S made for the avarage user.
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Tomorrow morning, I'll talk to the camera store I bought the SD-9 from. After getting the software straightened out, the camera itself shoots nothing but out-of-focus shots. After repeatedly going through the manual to assure that I haven't missed anything, I'm at my wits end to explain the problem. Maybe I'm overlooking something, but it appears that I got a dud, either in the lense or tha camera. I still like the Foveon image over the CCD, and one way or the other, it's going to be my next sensor. I'm just not sure what camera manufacturer. The "enough is enough" comment refered to the SD-9 and lense I currently have, not anyone on the forum. I'll take care of that little matter later after I find out what the real problem is. It looks like there are some really insecure and pompous people on this board and I'll get to them later.
Laurence Matson
Forum Pro
Ken,
Could you post one of those images? I am very curious about the out of focus issue.
You may regard some of us as pompous. However, you have to remember how this thread started: Worst software ever . . . Well, it is not, as you now see. Maybe the focus issue is also something simple.
Not every device pretends to be for everyone. The frustration becomes mutual for some faster than any of us might like. This does not make anyone, you or anyone else here, pompous.
What you need to settle is whether this is the camera for you. Having done that, the rest is water over the dam. Punkt.
Laurence
http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/sd9_images
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
Could you post one of those images? I am very curious about the out of focus issue.
You may regard some of us as pompous. However, you have to remember how this thread started: Worst software ever . . . Well, it is not, as you now see. Maybe the focus issue is also something simple.
Not every device pretends to be for everyone. The frustration becomes mutual for some faster than any of us might like. This does not make anyone, you or anyone else here, pompous.
What you need to settle is whether this is the camera for you. Having done that, the rest is water over the dam. Punkt.
Laurence
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http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
How about taking your totally clueless statements somewhere else. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You contribute little or nothing but a hostile attitude that smacks heavily of self-righteous pomposity. I'll do what I please with the SD-9. No one appointed you chief of the message board, and if you want to play this game, so can I. All you've done is take cheap shots at me, and I haven't made any replies hoping that you would just go away. So go ahead, say what makes you feel good about insulting people. Just remember, I can do the same, and I can do a better job of it than you can.
Dominic Groß
Veteran Member
The one who places cheap shoots all the time like "worst software ever" or "enough is enough" is you. Sorry but you are one of those Persons were I loos my patience it is the simple fact that you always get things wrong in the wrong time. My apologies if the insults gone to far but please try to be a bit more thought and carefull yourself. For example If you would have posted that your pictures are out of focus and would have provided a sample I would have never ever posted this but all you said was enough is enough. No reasons no problem description. For the Software posting, USB was always an issue that was discussed here and you could have known better. How often do we have statements here like "Firewire is the only solution" or people saying that Card Readers are the only solution? You can't tell me that you did not see that and did not knew that while you posted your "worst software ever" text. What about all those attacks that were in no way connceted to your software problem? "Sigma should have stuck to making cheap lenses and Foveon should have found a digital camera maker to introduce its sensor", big problem here, Foveon makes the Software you are complaining about, not Sigma. This leads me to our infamous Lens discussion, how often did you ask about AF... and how many times did I (and others) tell you that all Sigma Lenses have AF? It really annoys me if people start the same discussions all over again and don't read properly. I think I should find some therapist that helps me not to rage out because of postings like these but for the moment I see no possibility to leave such an offence uncommented and there I go flamming you again :/
Dominic
Pictures taken with an old analog Sigma and scanned from Film: http://www.pbase.com/dgross
ICQ UIN: 289647506
Dominic
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ICQ UIN: 289647506
I do not take cheap shots at the writers/posters on this forum. My derogatory comments are aimed at Sigma, not you or anyone here. I do not demean people by telling people they are dumb and they should stick to P&S. That's an insult to the person you've directed it to. If I think Sigma is a poor choice for introduction of the Foveon chip, that's my choice of conclusions, and I'm entitled to it. If you care to defend Sigma, that's reasonable too, but don't start taking shots at me personally. If someone from Sigma wants to get on the message board and defend their product, so be it. I'll state my position and they can defend theirs. I stand by everything I've said to date based on what I've experienced. Just don't take shots at me because I'm having trouble with my equipment. I'm not the type of person to hand out $1400 just so I can sit around and complain about it. That would be stupid.
Just Looking
Veteran Member
I'll let you know after I've had a chance to talk to them....if I haven't been booted off this message board. I just found out about the focus problem this weekend.
Laurence Matson
Forum Pro
Ken,
I can understand your frustration well. Right now, my firewire harddrive containing all of my x3f files has crashed. It is my archive file. There is a lot of irreplaceable work there. Also, all translation work for three years. So equipment can be very frustrating.
On the other hand, users of the same can too, especially if they consign blame to others. This is unreasonable for all concerned, including yourself, because if makes it very difficult to get a handle on the problem.
It could be that you really do have buggy software and a hugely defective camera. But when a posting begins with a flat-out "everyone else is wrong"-type statement it makes it hard to proceed.
Despite this, I thought we had worked through the software issue to a point where it could work for you. If we are now on the hardware, then state the issue as clearly as possible and let's see whether that can be straightened out as well.
If you have purchased this camera, that is a sign of your wanting to make it work. Negative howls aside, including those from me and you, the community here has also tried to work this stuff out as well. However, it is not possible without clearly stated issues.
I have a public e-mail address above. Drop me a line with a copy of one of your out-of-focus images and, if you like, a telephone number where you can be reached. If you want, let's see if we can move this forward.
On the other hand, if you have decided that this camera is too much for you, I understand that as well. Take it back and move on.
Laurence
http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/sd9_images
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
I can understand your frustration well. Right now, my firewire harddrive containing all of my x3f files has crashed. It is my archive file. There is a lot of irreplaceable work there. Also, all translation work for three years. So equipment can be very frustrating.
On the other hand, users of the same can too, especially if they consign blame to others. This is unreasonable for all concerned, including yourself, because if makes it very difficult to get a handle on the problem.
It could be that you really do have buggy software and a hugely defective camera. But when a posting begins with a flat-out "everyone else is wrong"-type statement it makes it hard to proceed.
Despite this, I thought we had worked through the software issue to a point where it could work for you. If we are now on the hardware, then state the issue as clearly as possible and let's see whether that can be straightened out as well.
If you have purchased this camera, that is a sign of your wanting to make it work. Negative howls aside, including those from me and you, the community here has also tried to work this stuff out as well. However, it is not possible without clearly stated issues.
I have a public e-mail address above. Drop me a line with a copy of one of your out-of-focus images and, if you like, a telephone number where you can be reached. If you want, let's see if we can move this forward.
On the other hand, if you have decided that this camera is too much for you, I understand that as well. Take it back and move on.
Laurence
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http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/sd9_images
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
Sorry to hear you lost your files. To date, I haven't had a problem like that, but...
Please note that I never blamed anyone on this board for anything. I never said that anyone on the board was wrong. For that matter, I never said anyone was right. I never commented except to say that Sigma had the worst software I've seen so far, and I'll unequivocally stand by that statement. The fact that Sigma's came out with fixes/updates should say something. Regardless, all I was looking for was some assistance. As far as consigning blame, please note that I never took offense at all the criticism "I" got when I mentioned my Windows ME. You would have thought that I had the plague when I brought that issue up. I was expected to just sit back and take criticism and never respond. In fact, I never jumped on anyones case. I just considered the facts and proceded. Also note, that this wasn't a case of simply getting data at a very slow rate. I never got anything...zippo, zero, nada, nothing. It was through the good advice of a concerned individual on the forum that I found that I was able to locate and download the data via the cardreader.
As for the camera itself, I'm going to check this morning and find out what to do next. I bought this camera because I liked the photos I've seen. Maybe there's something redeemable out of this whole thing. I just don't know yet.
I appreciate your offer of assistance, but I feel that there's something major wrong that neither of us can take care of. I think this is going to be a job for Sigma.
Please note that I never blamed anyone on this board for anything. I never said that anyone on the board was wrong. For that matter, I never said anyone was right. I never commented except to say that Sigma had the worst software I've seen so far, and I'll unequivocally stand by that statement. The fact that Sigma's came out with fixes/updates should say something. Regardless, all I was looking for was some assistance. As far as consigning blame, please note that I never took offense at all the criticism "I" got when I mentioned my Windows ME. You would have thought that I had the plague when I brought that issue up. I was expected to just sit back and take criticism and never respond. In fact, I never jumped on anyones case. I just considered the facts and proceded. Also note, that this wasn't a case of simply getting data at a very slow rate. I never got anything...zippo, zero, nada, nothing. It was through the good advice of a concerned individual on the forum that I found that I was able to locate and download the data via the cardreader.
As for the camera itself, I'm going to check this morning and find out what to do next. I bought this camera because I liked the photos I've seen. Maybe there's something redeemable out of this whole thing. I just don't know yet.
I appreciate your offer of assistance, but I feel that there's something major wrong that neither of us can take care of. I think this is going to be a job for Sigma.
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Ken N wrote:
I never commented except to say
Sorry to think you still believe the software to be awful, when clearly the vast majority of enthusiasts have nothing but praise for its excellent virtues. As someone who did mention the problems with ME, I was not doing other than try to resolve your problems. If you still think it is awful, then I am sorry but I do totally disagree with your findings, so clearly there must be some reason for you coming to that conclusion, especially as already mentioned, the majority rank it as an excellent piece of software. I still believe your problems are computer/OS related otherwise, why do so many of us disagree with your findings?
I have been using PhotoShop since version 2.5 and believe me, that had needed many fixes and improvements over the years and every one has cost a lot of money for their upgrades. IMHO, PhotoPro does most things better than the latest PhotoShop v7 and I use its controls to avoid extensive manipulation within PhotoShop, so my task hae been made very much easier and I am sure amny other SD9 users would wholeheartedly agree.
The updates and fixes you mentioned are just improvements and unlike Microsoft, for just one example, Sigma and Foveon do not charge for upgrading/improving. The original PhotoPro v1.0 was still excellent and only needed an adjustment to the output quality for JPEG image files - it was already fine for TIFFs, so it is more a case of fine tuning than anything else. The only other improvement was the speedier displaying for JPEGs and TIFFs but that could eb switched off anyway as really only X3F files need viewing from within PhotoPro.
Lots of people have tried their best to help resolve your problems and Laurence, for one, has repeatedly asked you to contact him, especially with showing some of the images you are complaining about. Why don't you take up some of these offers as all caring SD9 enthusiasts will always do their best to help anyone unfamiliar with the camera and other controls and the like and please remember that they are not being paid to do this, it is being offered in goodwill terms by keen enthusiasts.
Regards!
Zone8
I never commented except to say
Hi Ken,
Sorry to think you still believe the software to be awful, when clearly the vast majority of enthusiasts have nothing but praise for its excellent virtues. As someone who did mention the problems with ME, I was not doing other than try to resolve your problems. If you still think it is awful, then I am sorry but I do totally disagree with your findings, so clearly there must be some reason for you coming to that conclusion, especially as already mentioned, the majority rank it as an excellent piece of software. I still believe your problems are computer/OS related otherwise, why do so many of us disagree with your findings?
I have been using PhotoShop since version 2.5 and believe me, that had needed many fixes and improvements over the years and every one has cost a lot of money for their upgrades. IMHO, PhotoPro does most things better than the latest PhotoShop v7 and I use its controls to avoid extensive manipulation within PhotoShop, so my task hae been made very much easier and I am sure amny other SD9 users would wholeheartedly agree.
The updates and fixes you mentioned are just improvements and unlike Microsoft, for just one example, Sigma and Foveon do not charge for upgrading/improving. The original PhotoPro v1.0 was still excellent and only needed an adjustment to the output quality for JPEG image files - it was already fine for TIFFs, so it is more a case of fine tuning than anything else. The only other improvement was the speedier displaying for JPEGs and TIFFs but that could eb switched off anyway as really only X3F files need viewing from within PhotoPro.
Lots of people have tried their best to help resolve your problems and Laurence, for one, has repeatedly asked you to contact him, especially with showing some of the images you are complaining about. Why don't you take up some of these offers as all caring SD9 enthusiasts will always do their best to help anyone unfamiliar with the camera and other controls and the like and please remember that they are not being paid to do this, it is being offered in goodwill terms by keen enthusiasts.
Regards!
Zone8
Rather than taking up the time of posters, I'm taking the problems to the vendor. Every so often, someone gets a bummer of a camera (or whatever). I've seen it happen a number of times where someone gets an article of merchandise that defies explanation. Whatever the item is, it seems to have everything wrong with it that no one else ever experiences. With cars, they call it a Lemon. I guess that's what I got. Now, in addition to all the other problems I've had, PhotoPro insists on drawing brilliant red horizontal lines through my downloaded photos. This is something new after having taken a hundred fifty photos or so. I won't take any more of anyone elses time, I'll just let the vendor deal with the whole thing. If you're interested in finding out how this whole situation is settled, I'll post the results.
K Joseph
Senior Member
Hey Ken, did you try some of the solutions offered by other users? I was really looking forward to hearing how you made out with those. But since you're taking the cam back to the finder, I'm even more curious about the outcome of the problem.
Wish you all the best dude...
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