Which Canon is Best for Newbie

Hey Inquisitor... not to be too treehugger on ya'.. but think of
the landfills too. get the rechargables. ;-)
Even if the cost is a little more, they're worth it.
I hear ya. Like I said, with the digital camera, I am taking way more shots than I did with film. I figured if I took 50 shots a month, it would take 7-8 years to the break even point using 112 AA batteries. Not too bad on the environment over that period of time.

But, ater a month of ownership, I am still doing about 100 pics a week. Maybe I'm still excited about the camera and the use will eventually fall off, but at this rate, I agree that its time for rechargeables.
 
This is in response to the email you sent.

Anyways, a lot of other folks have chimmed in since you sent the email with some good advice. I still maintain you have to decide who you are and which camera fits you.

You continue to discuss zoom, which makes me think that you need to look at cameras with image stablizers so you can go past the 3-4x of the canon models you talk about. I believe Sony, Panasonic and olympus all have cameras with 8-12x zoom. I hear they are good cameras, some of them having lower res, but the arguement I have seen is that they can zoom in so close the res isn't as significant. There is a lot of logic to that. Either that or you are looking at a Canon SLR with a zoom lens, but then you are talking about more money.

And, in my opinion, the great thing about digital photography is that you can basically take "free" pictures (that and storage, and making copies). I have gone through 500 pictures in 2 months and it hasn't cost me a cent. But I am learning about photography (playing with manual controls), learning to do action shots, and love to take pictures. If you are only going to take 100-200 pictures a year, where you are just snapping pictures but want high quality, then film may be the way to go. You can get good zoom, more durable cameras for less up front money, but you pay in film and developing costs. But if those aren't significant, film is still the way to go.

FYI, I have heard that your average 35 mm film is equiv. to 80 MP, it is just that the human eye can't really differentiate greater than 150 dpi. This gets complex, but basically 2 MP on a 8x10 is about 150 dpi, thus pulling off your basic resolution needed (human eye won't see pixels). Where greater than 2 MP is needed is when more the pixels are strung together in lines or clusters with shadows, and in making thinks look "sharp." Long story short, film still offers the greatest quality.

But if you are going to snap a lot of pictures, want to learn about photography, a digicam is a great way to go. I have an S45 and love it and am thinking (once I have more money) of getting a digital SLR. But if you just want a good camera that can do a lot, with great zoom, you might want to consider film.
I'm having the hardest time trying to figure out which camera is
best for me. I have read your reviews over and over again as well
as visited the forums, but stillc an't decide. I do know what I
want in a camera, but there are so many choices it boggles my
mind. Some features I know I want in a camera are:

rechargeable battery
long battery life
large memory size to hold many pictures while traveling (no access
to a computer)
USB plug and download support
Good resolution, at least 2-3 megapixel with ability to take small
pics (640x480, 800x600, 1024x768) as well as the larger resolutions
Not too large but not too small so you can't even grip it.
Automatic flash and automatic image brightness since I'm not good
with that part of picture taking
Good Zoom capability to zoom in on small objects within a large view.

Thanks for any help.
 
Well, I have done some more research and came up with the following price list for the camera and accessories. I have found the fastest memory flash as well as batteries. Not sure if the memory readers are necessary yet.

Canon Powershot A70 - $266 http://www.buydig.com

2200mAH AA Batteries & MHC401FS Charger Kit: 100 minute cool charger plus Four PowerEx AA 2200mAh rechargeable NiMH batteries, Car 12V Power Adapter and Plus 1 Free PowerEx Battery Holder carrying case. Your Price $52.97 ea.
http://www.thomas-distributing.com/mhc401fs.htm

SanDisk - Ultra CompactFlash 128Mb - NEW! $149.99 $79.99
SanDisk - Ultra CompactFlash 256Mb $399.99 $119.99
http://www.ritzcamera.com

Optional Memory card reader from Sandisk $40

Case - $30
 
Well, I have done some more research and came up with the following
price list for the camera and accessories. I have found the fastest
memory flash as well as batteries. Not sure if the memory readers
are necessary yet.

Canon Powershot A70 - $266 http://www.buydig.com

2200mAH AA Batteries & MHC401FS Charger Kit: 100 minute cool
charger plus Four PowerEx AA 2200mAh rechargeable NiMH batteries,
Car 12V Power Adapter and Plus 1 Free PowerEx Battery Holder
carrying case. Your Price $52.97 ea.
http://www.thomas-distributing.com/mhc401fs.htm

SanDisk - Ultra CompactFlash 128Mb - NEW! $149.99 $79.99
SanDisk - Ultra CompactFlash 256Mb $399.99 $119.99
http://www.ritzcamera.com

Optional Memory card reader from Sandisk $40

Case - $30
You don't need the fastest compact flash. This isn't something I obsess on; but, it also seems to me I've heard some negative things about sandisk. though, of course, you hear negative things about everything if you listen long enough.
Watch the rebate sales at local electronics and office places or amazon.com.

Or, just find a good place to buy online. Ritz is way overpriced for this kind of stuff in my opinion. You can get a 128mb card for about $30 or less with a good rebate sale.
You can get any one of a number of readers for compact flash for less than $20.

Newegg is a really good online store. they do mostly computer stuff but have this kind of stuff too. I'd buy from them just because I've done a lot of business with them on other things. I'm sure there are any number of good places to buy though.
I'm sure Ritz is fine too.. just way overpriced for this stuff.

-savagemike
 
Well, I have done some more research and came up with the following
price list for the camera and accessories. I have found the fastest
memory flash as well as batteries. Not sure if the memory readers
are necessary yet.

Canon Powershot A70 - $266 http://www.buydig.com

2200mAH AA Batteries & MHC401FS Charger Kit: 100 minute cool
charger plus Four PowerEx AA 2200mAh rechargeable NiMH batteries,
Car 12V Power Adapter and Plus 1 Free PowerEx Battery Holder
carrying case. Your Price $52.97 ea.
http://www.thomas-distributing.com/mhc401fs.htm

SanDisk - Ultra CompactFlash 128Mb - NEW! $149.99 $79.99
SanDisk - Ultra CompactFlash 256Mb $399.99 $119.99
http://www.ritzcamera.com

Optional Memory card reader from Sandisk $40

Case - $30
The prices on the compactflash cards are definately high. Check out amazon.com, bestbuy (.com), and even costco.com. As for SanDisk, I have the Ultra 256Mb and have no complaints
 
Am I at least on the right track with the batteries and charger?

I just assumed the Sandisk is the fastest memory. So am I to just use any memory then? And do I need the memory card reader.
 
If I were buying the A70, this is how I'd accessorize.

I can always use extra batteries. Even though the MaHa's are rated as some of the best rechargeables and chargers, I didn't do too badly with the ones from here.
Charger + 16 1800mAH batteries $29.99 + Tax + S&H
http://www.batteryspace.com/product.asp?0=200&1=201&3=251

You probably don't need that much speed. I'm not sure if the card would be the limiting factor, or if the camera would be. I'd go for a 512MB if I would be taking a lot of pictures or a 256MB (or smaller) if I would not. At max res of the A70, the 512 should get you around 300 pictures.
Transcend 30x 512 MB CF card $117 + Tax + $6 S&H
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=20-160-114&depa=1

I haven't tried any of these yet since I use a PCMCIA CF card reader, but there are a lot to choose from.
USB Card reader, you pick one
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=20-197-001&depa=1
SanDisk SDDR-86
http://www.pricingnetwork.com/prod_0_2476_S_0_SDDR-86-07_IB.htm

-- Gene
 
Am I at least on the right track with the batteries and charger?
I just assumed the Sandisk is the fastest memory. So am I to just
use any memory then? And do I need the memory card reader.
I wouldn't honestly worry too much about the fastest compact flash.

The thomas distributing name and maha battery and charger system is one I've heard lots of good things about.. I don't know personally though.

You do not need the card reader. The camera will plug directly to your computer as long as it's reasonably recent.

Some people have had problems though with this. In that case a card reader should be fine. Many people just like the card reader anyway and find it more convenient to use.

The problems I mention some people having I don't think are anything to worry about. Some eratic and seamingly unrelated reports which I personally put down to individual computer problems rather than a problem with the canon software/driver system.
What computer operating system will you be using? Do you have USB on it?

-savagemike
 
I've got Win XP Professional with USB 1.0 I beleive. I wonder if you have a 256 memory card with over 300 pics on it and try downoading to your computer will that take all day as compared to seconds with a memory card reader? Isn't that the whole idea?
 
I think I'll stick with the maha batteries and charger. But about the memory card, is fast not necessary, just size? I'm confused.
 
I've got Win XP Professional with USB 1.0 I beleive. I wonder if
you have a 256 memory card with over 300 pics on it and try
downoading to your computer will that take all day as compared to
seconds with a memory card reader? Isn't that the whole idea?
I too am running xp pro. You will not even need to install the canon software if you don't want to. I think XP will connect directly to your camera.

You vastly over estimate the time concerned on both counts. I routinely transfer a 128 mb card from my s400. It takes a minute or two.. might even take three for all I know. I generally start it and check the e-mail or whatever. It takes a very good long way from all day.

If you install a usb 2.0 card and get a usb 2.0 card reader (or firewire for that matter) then it should go faster. How much faster I can't say as I haven't done that. I will bet you my s400 that it won't do it in "seconds" though. At least not less than many in the strict mathematical sense. ;-)

Even at USB 1.1 the card reader might be faster. I'm not sure. It's not something that is too important though. You can always add it if you want. A lot of people do. I've thought of it myself a few times. I'm sure I'll get around to it eventually.

Perhaps after I finally install that usb 2.0 card in the box which has been sitting in it's bag for several months now. ;-)

-savagemike
 
I think I'll stick with the maha batteries and charger. But about
the memory card, is fast not necessary, just size? I'm confused.
Fast card can be necessary for some things. I don't know that the a70 would take advantage of it. Perhaps it would with video mode. Have a look about the forum for recs. on compact flash cards. You will get as many opinions as you like. ;-)

-savagemike
 
So the next question is how much memory is needed? For example, say you keep it on high resolution and have full batteries, what does each size memeory card equate too?
 
So the next question is how much memory is needed? For example, say
you keep it on high resolution and have full batteries, what does
each size memeory card equate too?
It will vary somewhat depending on your pictures. A lot though, is going to be the answer. ;-)
For you $30 or so you can get a 128mb card lets say.. without too much fuss.

I use a 128mb card in my s400. Now that is a 4 megapixel image as compared to the a70 3mp, so my photos are going to be larger on average. If I shoot superfine mode then I get roughly 60 shots. I actually usually shoot fine mode and get around 100-110 shots.

So, I would guess on average with a 128mb card in the a70 on highest settings you're gonna get like 70-75 shots maybe. You will find that is quite a good number of shots once you start clicking the shutter. If you chose fine mode then probably around twice that. ;-)
As I said though.. I don't have a70... so I'm basically guessing.

-savagemike
 
I think I'll stick with the maha batteries and charger. But about
the memory card, is fast not necessary, just size? I'm confused.
Fast card can be necessary for some things. I don't know that the
a70 would take advantage of it. Perhaps it would with video mode.
Have a look about the forum for recs. on compact flash cards. You
will get as many opinions as you like. ;-)
Speed will not matter. I purchased a 128MB Kingston flash card for my A70. It is a slow card (but not as slow as the regular Sandisk cards). Transfer rate from the camera to the computer is fine, taking only a few minutes. I am able to take 640x480 video on the camera without any issues. So I don't think the camera can take advantage of the 30x card, so save your money and just get a regular speed good brand card. If you are unsure, then buy a 12x card. I think the regular cards are about 4x speed.

Personally, I would buy 2 regular cards, be they two 128 or 256 MB cards. You don't want to put all your eggs in one basket, just in case you run into card corruption issues or something worse. I like the 128MB cards since it will hold 76 large superfine pics, or 137 large fine pics, which is a manageable amount to review in the camera. Remember, you will probably review and delete some pics that just didn't work out, so 76 shots can easily equate to 4 rolls of film. So 2 128 cards represents 152 keeper shots, which is the equivalent of over 8 rolls of film. Amazingly, with good photo opportunities, you can go through this many pics in a day. If you are going to be too far from a download source (ie computer), then get the 256 MB cards.
 
The A70 has what, two memory slots? I imagine they need to be pairs, like 2 256, or 2 128 right, not a 128 and a 256?

As far as speed goes, I heard the ultra san disks are the fastest, but I guess your right in that the A70 probably can't take advantage.

The problem lies now in buying all this stuff. The batteries and chargers are from Thomas distributing. But the camera, memory and case, thats spread all over the place unless I just buy from buydig or newegg.
 
I'd rather play it safe and have more then enough pictures space in case I'm traveling. if you have 2 256 thats alot of space. But again, a difference between 2 256 cards and one 512? Does it slow down the camera.
 
The A70 has what, two memory slots? I imagine they need to be
pairs, like 2 256, or 2 128 right, not a 128 and a 256?
Sorry, only 1 memory slot. I recommend 2 cards in case something should happen. That is, after you fill up one card, switch it with the other one. If something happens to the second card, you won't lose the pictures on the first.
 
Oh, only 1 slot. Do other cameras have more then 1 slot?
So where should I buy my camera, online or in the store?
 
I have a 256 and a 512, and as far as taking pictures go, they work. From the camera perspective, I don't see any difference unless you're trying to take a lot of pictures in rapid succession, or video (which is sorta the same).

My suggestion. Try to figure out the minimum of what you think you will need. Double it. Start with that. If you find you're taking more pictures, great, buy another card then. If not, then these cards will be all you will need for a long, long time.

You can use these figures as a rule of thumb. I use a s230 which is also 3MP. I filled up my 512 card and only got 290 pictures on it.
512 - 300 highest-quality pictures
256 - 150 highest-quality pictures
128 - 75 highest-quality pictures

-- Gene
 

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