Olympus EM10 mk. IV to X-T50 ???

[Jim in Hudson]

I'd look at a better M4/3 body.

I had a look at the OM5ii but am not convinced. None of the other OM bodies interest me

because of their bigger size.

Last but not least - I detest the fold-out LCD's and MUCH prefer the normal tilt up/down monitors.

To resolve your issues and avoid excess cost I recommend you look at the OM-1 II or to save funds get the OM-1 used.

Morris

My wife and I have made travels to the same country a few times over the years. Each time, I think I brought a different camera. Here's what I remember I've used:

Olympus EP-1

Pentax K-3

Fujifilm X-E1 (backup)

Olympus E-M1

Fujifilm X-T3

Sony RX100 M4 (backup)

Going back through all of the photos it's clear all of the cameras have taken great photos with the possible exception of the RX100M4 in some circumstances. The biggest overall differentiator between all of the shots I've taken over the years was the weather. I'm currently using an X-T5 and really like it. I will also say my Oly E-M1 with the 12-40/2.8 (a stellar lens) will always have a soft spot in my photo heart.

 

[Satyaa]

I am following this thread to see where you end up. All the best.

I had my questions on X-T50 in the following thread, where you also responded to a question.

Need feedback on X-T50: Fujifilm X System / SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

I am holding off for now because of the cost and hesitation to add another mount system to the mix.

 

[JacquesC]

I am following this thread to see where you end up. All the best.

I had my questions on X-T50 in the following thread, where you also responded to a question.

Need feedback on X-T50: Fujifilm X System / SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

I am holding off for now because of the cost and hesitation to add another mount system to the mix.

Yes I remember that thread and am happy I'm not the only one thinking this direction.

I don't think I'll get to a decision soon, I first want to have a X-T50 in hand and play a bit with it. That should give me a better idea.

I can understand you not wanting to invest in a third system, neither do I. If I go for the T50 it will replace my EM10. Two systems are already a hassle for me, but I somehow can't see myself walking away from the Nikon Z system. Now if Nikon come out with a much smaller body (Sony did it with the A7C) then it will be a different ballgame.

 

[Satyaa]

I am following this thread to see where you end up. All the best.

I had my questions on X-T50 in the following thread, where you also responded to a question.

Need feedback on X-T50: Fujifilm X System / SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

I am holding off for now because of the cost and hesitation to add another mount system to the mix.

Yes I remember that thread and am happy I'm not the only one thinking this direction.

I don't think I'll get to a decision soon, I first want to have a X-T50 in hand and play a bit with it. That should give me a better idea.

I can understand you not wanting to invest in a third system, neither do I. If I go for the T50 it will replace my EM10.

In my case, I cannot. I use the Oly 40-150/2.8 PRO primarily with G9ii. My two-body m43 setup serves a good purpose:

• G9ii with 15/1.7 and GH5ii with 42.5/1.7
• G9ii with 42.5/1.7 and GH5ii with 75/1.8, this usually goes with Z7ii with 40/f2
• G9ii with PL12-60 and GH5ii with PL100-400
• For events, Z7ii with 28-75/2.8 and G9ii with 40-150/2.8

Because the Z7ii and the two m43 bodes are so similar, I have set them up with similar controls.

My only attraction to X-T50 is the form factor and size.

Two systems are already a hassle for me, but I somehow can't see myself walking away from the Nikon Z system. Now if Nikon come out with a much smaller body (Sony did it with the A7C) then it will be a different ballgame.

That's a perfect scenario. If Nikon introduces a FF body in that form, or a Zfc II with EXPEED7 and a newer sensor (more MP) then I will probably get it right away.

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[NorCal Jim]

I would like some feedback from those that moved from Oly EM10 (or EM5) to an X-T50.

Here's my situation:

I currently have the EM10 IV + 12-45 f4 Pro + 9-18mm lenses.

• Fabulous little camera and great travel kit for when I don't want to carry my FF kit.
• IQ in good light is great
• AF in AF-S is very quick and accurate
• Colours OOC also great
• Handling and ergonomics excellent

But ...

• Re-centering the AF point is cumbersome
• Continuous AF and tracking is not really useable
• Low-light IQ less than stellar
• Face/eye AF not reliable at all
• Subject tracking non existing

So I was thinking X-T50 + 16-50 2.8-4 kit lens

• Virtually the same size and weight as the Oly
• Better face/Eye AF
• Subject tracking
• Better low light abilities ??
• Fuji colours, film simulations, and recipies
• Higher resolution

I don't shoot fast action.

Mostly people and travel images - not really into wildlife or birding.

How well (or not) will a X-T50 serve me?

Any real life experiences will be welcome

Greetings!

I enjoy three camera systems (Sony, Fuji & MFT/Olympus) and have the E-M10 Mk IV. I didn't understand the refocus difficulty since that camera has a touch to focus screen.

I share your preference for tilt screens though not your resolve to avoid them. The reason why I got the E-M10iv was to have a tilt screen since my main small Olympus camera was the E-M5 Mk3. I keep two 12-45mm f/4 lenses so that they can each be attached to the M5.3 & M10.4 and all I have to do is grab & go.

Aside from pointing out the touch focus, I was going to mention the newly announced Fuji X-T30 Mk3 (X trans 4 sensor & 5th gen. processor) as my own preference is for the 26mp sensor vs. the 40mp sensor of the X-T50 but then I remembered the IBIS feature of the X-T50, which is not present on the X-T30 Mk3.

I enjoy Fuji and think that the X-T50 is a good choice. Some time ago, I decided to add a third system and had long admired Fuji's retro dial-equipped cameras. I told myself that I would only get a single camera and three primes but I now have three cameras and counting and 10 lenses. So, fair warning...

Jim

 

[Satyaa]

... I told myself that I would only get a single camera and three primes but I now have three cameras and counting and 10 lenses. So, fair warning...

Jim

That's how it always starts

That's why I am resisting getting the X-T50.

My m43 system is complete (for my use cases) and I have stuck to that "minimal second system plan" with Z7ii so far. A lens tempts me once in a while, but I have resisted so far. The one I am most likely to buy is the 24-120/F4S.

As I said in another response above, two bodies with two different lenses is my go-to combination for most situations.

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See my profile (About me) for gear and my posting policy. My profile picture is of the first film camera I used in the early 80s, photo credit the internet.

 

[RWN Photo]

I think I'd switch and get the Fuji... The Fuji kit zoom lens, although it is variable, is pretty good optically, and doesn't extend. Its variable apertures still gives you some narrower depths than the Oly 12-45 (although that is a great lens for travel, everyday use).

The film sim dial, controversial, can be a good add for some, not so much a gimmick and if used for JPGs (like you will use JPGs straight out of camera), it is a good feature, easier that diving in to the Q menu to change.

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RWN Photo

 

[Satyaa]

I think I'd switch and get the Fuji... The Fuji kit zoom lens, although it is variable, is pretty good optically, and doesn't extend. Its variable apertures still gives you some narrower depths than the Oly 12-45 (although that is a great lens for travel, everyday use).

The film sim dial, controversial, can be a good add for some, not so much a gimmick and if used for JPGs (like you will use JPGs straight out of camera), it is a good feature, easier that diving in to the Q menu to change.

I was (and am) NOT a JPEG shooter. From that POV, FS was not useful to me.

I exported all my processed raw files into HEIF format since 2018. As several modern cameras like this can output 10-bit HEIF (some others with embedded HDR info), now this dial has some attraction for me. The models that support 'recipes', not just built-in FS presets, are even better.

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See my profile (About me) for gear and my posting policy. My profile picture is of the first film camera I used in the early 80s, photo credit the internet.

 

[unhappymeal]

I am following this thread to see where you end up. All the best.

I had my questions on X-T50 in the following thread, where you also responded to a question.

Need feedback on X-T50: Fujifilm X System / SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

I am holding off for now because of the cost and hesitation to add another mount system to the mix.

Yes I remember that thread and am happy I'm not the only one thinking this direction.

I don't think I'll get to a decision soon, I first want to have a X-T50 in hand and play a bit with it. That should give me a better idea.

I can understand you not wanting to invest in a third system, neither do I. If I go for the T50 it will replace my EM10.

In my case, I cannot. I use the Oly 40-150/2.8 PRO primarily with G9ii. My two-body m43 setup serves a good purpose:

• G9ii with 15/1.7 and GH5ii with 42.5/1.7
• G9ii with 42.5/1.7 and GH5ii with 75/1.8, this usually goes with Z7ii with 40/f2
• G9ii with PL12-60 and GH5ii with PL100-400
• For events, Z7ii with 28-75/2.8 and G9ii with 40-150/2.8

Because the Z7ii and the two m43 bodes are so similar, I have set them up with similar controls.

My only attraction to X-T50 is the form factor and size.

Two systems are already a hassle for me, but I somehow can't see myself walking away from the Nikon Z system. Now if Nikon come out with a much smaller body (Sony did it with the A7C) then it will be a different ballgame.

That's a perfect scenario. If Nikon introduces a FF body in that form, or a Zfc II with EXPEED7 and a newer sensor (more MP) then I will probably get it right away.

Realistically, Nikon full frame bodies cannot get much smaller. Have a look at the original Z6. The mount and IBIS sled are almost the entire size of the body vertically. Horizontally, most of the width is filled internals with the Z-axis of the grip housing the battery.

You could get away with a smaller, left-mounted EVF, but it would likely come as a compromise in the physical controls, mechanical shutter and IBIS sled performance.

 

[unhappymeal]

I would like some feedback from those that moved from Oly EM10 (or EM5) to an X-T50.

Here's my situation:

I currently have the EM10 IV + 12-45 f4 Pro + 9-18mm lenses.

• Fabulous little camera and great travel kit for when I don't want to carry my FF kit.
• IQ in good light is great
• AF in AF-S is very quick and accurate
• Colours OOC also great
• Handling and ergonomics excellent

But ...

• Re-centering the AF point is cumbersome
• Continuous AF and tracking is not really useable
• Low-light IQ less than stellar
• Face/eye AF not reliable at all
• Subject tracking non existing

So I was thinking X-T50 + 16-50 2.8-4 kit lens

• Virtually the same size and weight as the Oly
• Better face/Eye AF
• Subject tracking
• Better low light abilities ??
• Fuji colours, film simulations, and recipies
• Higher resolution

I don't shoot fast action.

Mostly people and travel images - not really into wildlife or birding.

How well (or not) will a X-T50 serve me?

Any real life experiences will be welcome

I went from an OM-1 + OM-5 for my camera setup to a pair of X-T50's. You will definitely get better AF performance and subject recognition. Film sims are a take it and leave it thing (I mostly shoot RAW, so it's a leave it for me).

I will probably get crucified for saying this here, but there are three things to keep in mind giong from m4/3 to Fujifilm XF:

1. The lens, partiularly zooms, are just better on m4/3. There, I said it. The Olympus 12-100, 12-40 f/2.8 Pro ,12-45 f/4 Pro, 40-150 f/2.8 Pro, 50-200 f/2.8 Pro, 150-400 f/4.5 Pro, 8-25 f/4 Pro, PL f/1.7 twins, Pansonic 35-100 f/2.8, PL 50-200 f2.8-4, PL 12-60 f/2.8-4, PL 100-400, PL 8-18 f/2.8-4 were all better than you could get on Fujifilm XF for the longest time. m4/3 also had some unicorn lenses like the 75mm f/1.8, PL 200 f/2.8, 60mm f/2.8 Macro, 90mm f/3.5 Macro and Pansonic 42.5 f/1.7. Fuji is starting to catch-up with the new generation lenses, but there is a ways to go.

2. I never found the image quality to be a huge jump, particularly with the 40 MP sensor. Something just looks *off* to me with the sharpness and clarity, even with lenses like the 16-50 f2.8-4.8 or the f/1.4 primes.

3. Make sure X-Trans works for your software workflow.

I personally would just get something like an a7C and call it a day. You will get a big IQ and AF upgrade, the best mirrorless lens line-up, and a small camera with impeccable build all in one package.

 

[Satyaa]

I went from an OM-1 + OM-5 for my camera setup to a pair of X-T50's. You will definitely get better AF performance and subject recognition. Film sims are a take it and leave it thing (I mostly shoot RAW, so it's a leave it for me).

I will probably get crucified for saying this here, but there are three things to keep in mind giong from m4/3 to Fujifilm XF:

1. The lens, partiularly zooms, are just better on m4/3. There, I said it. The Olympus 12-100, 12-40 f/2.8 Pro ,12-45 f/4 Pro, 40-150 f/2.8 Pro, 50-200 f/2.8 Pro, 150-400 f/4.5 Pro, 8-25 f/4 Pro, PL f/1.7 twins, Pansonic 35-100 f/2.8, PL 50-200 f2.8-4, PL 12-60 f/2.8-4, PL 100-400, PL 8-18 f/2.8-4 were all better than you could get on Fujifilm XF for the longest time. m4/3 also had some unicorn lenses like the 75mm f/1.8, PL 200 f/2.8, 60mm f/2.8 Macro, 90mm f/3.5 Macro and Pansonic 42.5 f/1.7. Fuji is starting to catch-up with the new generation lenses, but there is a ways to go.

2. I never found the image quality to be a huge jump, particularly with the 40 MP sensor. Something just looks *off* to me with the sharpness and clarity, even with lenses like the 16-50 f2.8-4.8 or the f/1.4 primes.

3. Make sure X-Trans works for your software workflow.

I personally would just get something like an a7C and call it a day. You will get a big IQ and AF upgrade, the best mirrorless lens line-up, and a small camera with impeccable build all in one package.

Wow. I agree with everything you said about MFT lenses. I will just add that some good zooms are as expensive as third-party FF zooms, if not more. The 40-150/2.8, 15/1.7, 42.5/1.7 and 75/1.7 are my workhorse lenses.

I have no Fuji experience. So, I cannot speak to the comparison.

 

[RWN Photo]

I think I'd switch and get the Fuji... The Fuji kit zoom lens, although it is variable, is pretty good optically, and doesn't extend. Its variable apertures still gives you some narrower depths than the Oly 12-45 (although that is a great lens for travel, everyday use).

The film sim dial, controversial, can be a good add for some, not so much a gimmick and if used for JPGs (like you will use JPGs straight out of camera), it is a good feature, easier that diving in to the Q menu to change.

I was (and am) NOT a JPEG shooter. From that POV, FS was not useful to me.

I exported all my processed raw files into HEIF format since 2018. As several modern cameras like this can output 10-bit HEIF (some others with embedded HDR info), now this dial has some attraction for me. The models that support 'recipes', not just built-in FS presets, are even better.

So, you'd setup a "recipe", and not just built-in film sims, and convert those raws to HEIF...?

All righty.

 

[lawny13]

Why not just stick to your Z7??

Nikon, Sony, Canon are the top three in terms of AF.

You mentioned you are getting older (your circumstance may be different that mine). But I had laser eye corrective surgery in the past, and after I entered into my 40s my near focus is getting worse. So though I LIKE the fuji shooting experience with the dials, I have to hold a camera further away each year. So I much prefer looking at my settings via view finder now, though I miss the tactile deliberate shooting I had with fuji.

Main issue I see with C, N and S vs fuji or Oly is that they don't have high end lenses for the smaller censor models like they do for their FF offerings. But considering how great their AF systems are, not so great glass (but still decent) can still rival the great fuji primes, especially if you stop them down to the equivalent DOF. A canon RF 50 f1.8 stopped down to f2.0-f2.2 should give comparable results to the XF 35 f1.4 wide open. I imagine the same holds on the nikon lenses.

 

[UsherFellig]

What about Z 50ii since you're in Z now? Since AF is one of your priorities, its AF is getting raves and has been compared favorably to that of the D500. The Z DX zooms give excellent IQ and they are VR, which mitigates no IBIS in the body. For low light there's the Z 40mm f2 for a Nifty Sixty equivalent, the Z 26mm f2.8 pancake or Z 28mm f2.8 "muffin" for a Nifty Forty equivalent, the Z 24mm f1.8 for 35mm equivalent, or the Viltrox 35mm f1.7 AIR for a Nifty Fifty equivalent. The Z 50mm f2.8 MC FF "muffin" also makes for a nice short telephoto/portrait lens on APSC. You could also get the Fuji 35mm f1.4 with that new adapter that gives AF and EXIF and all.

OTOH, it sounds like the X-T50 is calling to you. Maybe you should follow your heart there.