A few thoughts on the new 24-70 f/2.8 S II

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A few thoughts on the new 24-70 f/2.8 S II.

1 – The 70mm end seems a bit longer than the older version

2 – I’d say the new lens is a bit sharper wide open

3 – I’m not seeing that big a difference in the bokeh. Maybe a slight edge to the new lens, but without looking side-by-side, it’s really close.

4 – The zoom ring on the new lens has a slightly longer throw

5 - The zoom ring on the new lens is stiffer (now, but perhaps in time will become more like my version I)

6 – The weight difference is pretty substantial. I suspect wedding photogs will really appreciate this.

7 – The length difference isn’t that substantial.

All in all it’s a great lens.
 
I’m currently on a bit of a break shooting wedding. Reception is starting shortly.



I agree on all points. I picked up the lens earlier this week and had a chance to shoot a commercial project, editorial and now a wedding with it. My findings:

- weight savings is substantial. On a Z6III it makes for a very light combo. It almost feels like a 1.8 prime on that camera.
- definitely sharper. It has a little bit more bite to it. Of the original Z trinity, the v1 24-70 was the weakest. This steps it up.
- Zoom ring is stiffer. Not a fan of that. But I’ll get used to it. V1 I could zoom with rolling one finger under the lens. V2 is decidedly a 2 finger operation.
- close focus is much improved. Great for wedding details, like shoes, rings, invites, collectively known as the “lay flat”.

- focus speed improvement is massive. No wating, no hesitation, just point and woosh.

Typical Nikon has a lot of little improvements that makes a vastly improved product.



Really happy with the purchase

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Now that the lens is released, maybe owners can tell us if HB-97 (sold with the 14-24 and used as a base for 112mm filters, usable with 14-24, 24-70 and 70-200 Z) is still compatible with the new lens...
 
Now that the lens is released, maybe owners can tell us if HB-97 (sold with the 14-24 and used as a base for 112mm filters, usable with 14-24, 24-70 and 70-200 Z) is still compatible with the new lens...
No. It’s made for a hood bayonet that has a 82mm filter thread. The v2 is 77mm and a smaller diameter. Some will be disappointed but the trade off is if you have the 70-200 & 100-400, all filters for those will fit the v2.
 
Yep, the focus ring is a bit stiff. I was hoping for a 70-200mm F/2.8 S like zoom experience really. I guess it is just getting used to it.

Please note that (if the camera is off, or lens is off camera) something moves inside the lens when you move it from front element up to down and vice versa. Must have something to do with the new focus motors (as there is no VR on this lens). It is gone when the camera is on.
 
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I just compared my S I and S II, and the S II focus ring is definitely looser to turn than the S I. I would say that the zoom rings are of similar stiffness.

I do sense some slight internal movement with the lens off the camera body. My 400TC and 600TC feel the same so it probably is to do with the SWM.
 
Comparing the S I and S II on Z9 bodies I don't notice the weight difference. I can see that it becomes noticeable on a lighter body.
 
Using the Mk 2 on Z6iii, I for sure notice the weight difference.

Another thing that really stands out to me, is that the 24-70 S II just has that special touch when it comes to the way it renders objects and color, something I find lacking a little in the otherwise excellent 24-120.

It reminds me a lot of the visual language of some of the Z primes, like the 85 1.2 and 50 1.8.
 
I agree that it does render really nice images. I posted a few examples in another thread over the weekend.

I think I'm going to use this more than my 24-120 as a travel lens, even though I'll lose 50mm at the long end.
 
Just a question: How does your the S ii zoom compare at 24mm/35mm to your 24mm S and 35mm S primes?

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Es mejor pescar que ser pescado.
 
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Yep, I'm in the same boat. The more I use it the more I think it's going to be the travel lens as well. I have the Tamron 50-400 also, but it's in a different bracket really.

I know it's a bit subjective, but I wonder if any sort of list exists that attempts to correlate rendering properties, lenses, and lens designers.

I think I recall that at Nikon generally each designer handles 1 lens, at least at inception, and that this is part of the reason different lenses have different character. I mean aside from their focal lengths and aperture. Because to me, there isn't really that much of a Nikon "house look" - it seems to vary quite a bit. In general I find the newer S lenses to be very sharp, lots of contrast, but sometimes lacking that "look".
 
For me the Z standout lenses are now the 24-70 S II, Plena, 400TC, and 600TC.

No idea if any of these were designed by the same team.
 
There is very much a Nikon 'house look' within the fast F/1.2S lenses and the Plena, and probably even a bit of that with the 105MC, and it's very much more than just being a technical lens. The pro zooms tend to be a bit more technical, but still honor people as a use case, as they should - you'll see some nuanced rendering advantages to the 1.2S primes over the pro zooms (and the Plena differentiates too), but this makes sense - the pro zooms have to be jack of all trade lenses that do everything quite well. And I do think the pro 2.8 zooms do have, therefore, a house look - it's just a slightly different one than the aforementioned primes.

As for the designers, once one has used a lot of the Z, and one is able to see the nuanced, yes, I do think one can tell some subtle differences. There are definitely aspects to the Plena that I saw in the 105/2.8MC - obviously VERY different lenses, but the Plena team includes the designer of the MC and I think I can see his work. Even when the lenses live in the same house look - take the 35/1.2S and 85/1.2S, given they were designed by different designers, there are subtle differences. This (the house look of the best of Nikon Z) is something I've pondered about writing about as it's been on my mind over the past 8-9 months as I've been doing a long term evaluation of five 50mm options for Nikon Z, which has sort of morphed into what I think Nikon is doing (in part because of the *staggering* overall image quality the 35/1.2S brings to the table) - and in a subtle way, it is going against the purely technical approach of, say, a Sigma Art or Viltrox. We'll see if I have the time/energy to write such a thing, particularly if we move to a new forum system without threaded replies. I may just say the hell with it.

The core 1.8 lenses (20/24/50/85) tend to be more technical than rendering based. A few of these were designed by Konica-Minolta, but still within the guidelines of what Nikon wanted to accomplish.

Personally I think the best of the best outside of the exotics are the 35/1.2S, 85/1.2S, and the Plena, followed by the 50/1.2S. The designer of the 50/1.2S had a large hand in the 35/1.2S, but interestingly, it renders both similarly and differently at the same time. Offhand, I can't remember the team who did the 85/1.2S as I don't have the patent handy.

I can't comment on the 24-70/2.8 II; honestly, for what I do, I haven't seen enough from the second version to warrant the upgrade, but who knows. I tend to be strongly prime based within that range, so I don't use the zoom that much, although when I've needed it, it's absolutely done the job (the V1). We'll see down the road if things change and I venture forward with the new one.
 
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Thanks for your thoughts. I've had both the 85 1.2 and Plena here, and I agree they share a lot of similarities look wise.

The 50 1.8 does not, but still sees regular use here because it's plenty special in its own way.

If you ever find the time or motivation, I'd love to hear your rumination regarding Z lens philosophy and design.
 
For me the Z standout lenses are now the 24-70 S II, Plena, 400TC, and 600TC.

No idea if any of these were designed by the same team.
Of these, I only own the 24-70 S II, but from what I have seen of the others, I would agree with you. I would love to own all four, but I don't think I use the other focal lengths enough to justify the cost. Maybe I'll pick up the Plena some day if I can get a great refurbished deal on it....
 
It's a tricky subject to write about. Not everyone sees (nor values) the same things in terms of lens image quality attributes, and not everyone is even capable (as horrible as that might sound) of seeing some things. I've thought about it a lot, done some blind print tests along the way, thought about it some more, read a lot of other posters thoughts, read designer interviews, looked at patents, looked at thoughts ranging from those who think unless you print super large posters you'll never see a difference to those who pixel peep at 200% and everything in between, and in the end, I think the answer is that there are a whole lotta variables that go into play that determines some of the big questions like at what print size or output do you notice differences. I've also had private conversations with a couple of other posters whom I've gotten to know over the years I've been here to bounce thoughts of, so there is a lot in my head, so to speak.

So while I do now have definite thoughts on all the 5 fifty mm options I ran through since late winter, trying to come up with a post that doesn't anger people, frustrate people, and isn't 30 pages long is difficult. And then discussing the house look requires getting technical so people can start to look beyond MTF50 scores on test charts as the only metric that matters, and that's a bloody long and possibly complex discussion in itself. Then someone will scream they want samples, which is difficult when my views are based off 8 months of shooting dozens upon dozens of scenarios (and I won't post anything that identifies my location nor any personal work involving people as a general matter). At some point the time commitment is just too much and the idea of the couch or eating a donut looks better :)

FWIW, the 50/1.8S is about as far away from the Nikon house look you can get while still being a Nikon lens. I have some ideas of what Nikon was trying to achieve with that lens, and also both the upsides and downsides of how it behaves because of those decisions. There does seem to be a duality of approaches within Nikon, and the best I can offer you now is simplistic terms: Some lenses are designed to be quite sharp but with more cinematic rendering, and some lenses are designed to be quite sharp but with more traditional photographic rendering with a bit more emphasis on technical rendering, but always within guide posts or guidelines or outer markers that make sure the lens is quite sharp. And a lot of it has to do, I think, with intended use case at least from the designers point of view perhaps.

I also, along with everything mentioned, need to find a way to write it that minimizes my own opinions and stays neutral within the context of suggesting why one lens might be better suited towards one photographer than another, and that just makes it even more complex, which is then more time consuming.
 
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