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CONTEMPORARY 12mm F1.4 DC No L mount version
- Thread starter Ceistinne
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Nicer if they released it in EF mount like many older DC lenses as then it could not only be electronically adapted to L-Mount but also adapted and even focal reduced to put the full aps-c image circle on the 4/3 sensor of the M4/3 mount.
Off The Mark
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Was thinking about that fact this morning when reading about rumors of the R6 III and the Sony a7 V.
My guess is that there will PROBABLY continue to be an S5 lineup in to the future that continues to use the NON-stacked sensors and comes in around the $2,000 range. Those cameras will probably still have the aps-c crop at 4K 60p.
The S1 MK II E is selling around the $2,500 mark and still has the crop, too.
Unless Panasonic can figure out a way to somehow get 4K 60p UN-cropped in to a $2,000 body, I would bet that aps-c crop is going to be around for a while.
To be honest, I wish that panasonic would just go ahead and make an aps-c camera similar to the Sony FX30, espescially since Sony is apparently selling a bazillion of them. Sure, people will kick and scream and say that Panasonic promised to never make an aps-c camera nd people would fear that Panasonic is going to abandon m43. But to me, it seems like easy money for Panasonic. Use an S5 (or S5 II body with) full HDMI ports and two usb-c ports, real timecode (like S1H) and they would probably have a great-selling camera that would cost very little to develop.
Well fortunately or unfortunately, and historically, M4/3 is the smaller sensor version of their L-Mount camera bodies. The G9II is the smaller sensor version of the S5 (type). It is a signifcantly good camera body. The lens-making industry is quite open and free to make M4/3 mount versions of its aps-c lenses and some parts of the industry does do this.
Sigma is quite au fait with the reluctance to add aps-c bodies to the L-Mount line up. But Sigma does not reciprocate by making lenses in M4/3 mount. Or do they? .... there is a very nice Sigma 56mm f1.4 lens in M4/3 mount.
However Panasonic already makes an exotic 12mm f1.4 in M4/3 mount. Maybe another similar lens would crowd a small marketplace?
By the same token - why make an aps-c lens for L-Mount when there are no new aps-c sensor cameras being made?
I don't mind a DC (aps-c) lens made for the "dead" EF mount as this lens can be adapted to L-Mount and also focal reduction adapted to M4/3 mount where it can put its full image circle on the 4/3 sensor of such camera bodies as the G9II. (as noted on another post) Great for keeping M4/3 alive and stopping M4/3 people from getting over-excited.
Hey ... but there are a whole lot of Sigma DC lenses out there that can be bought in EF mount and adapted to L-Mount.
However M4/3 people have little interest in adapting EF mount lenses and L-Mount users prefer to also use native mount lenses as well.
With the M4/3 mount shafted by aps-c how would Panasonic justify continuing its still photographic business based on the size of its sales of L-Mount kit?
Sigma is quite au fait with the reluctance to add aps-c bodies to the L-Mount line up. But Sigma does not reciprocate by making lenses in M4/3 mount. Or do they? .... there is a very nice Sigma 56mm f1.4 lens in M4/3 mount.
However Panasonic already makes an exotic 12mm f1.4 in M4/3 mount. Maybe another similar lens would crowd a small marketplace?
By the same token - why make an aps-c lens for L-Mount when there are no new aps-c sensor cameras being made?
I don't mind a DC (aps-c) lens made for the "dead" EF mount as this lens can be adapted to L-Mount and also focal reduction adapted to M4/3 mount where it can put its full image circle on the 4/3 sensor of such camera bodies as the G9II. (as noted on another post) Great for keeping M4/3 alive and stopping M4/3 people from getting over-excited.
Hey ... but there are a whole lot of Sigma DC lenses out there that can be bought in EF mount and adapted to L-Mount.
However M4/3 people have little interest in adapting EF mount lenses and L-Mount users prefer to also use native mount lenses as well.
With the M4/3 mount shafted by aps-c how would Panasonic justify continuing its still photographic business based on the size of its sales of L-Mount kit?
I've been surprised that Sigma has made as many aps-c lenses as they have. I can't imagine they are selling many when all there is to use them on is niche discontinued cameras or using crop mode on a full-frame. I wish someone would make a compact aps-c l-mount.
Back in the olden days of dslr bodies aps-c was king and "everybody" had an aps-c body.
Whilst Canon (for instance) still made most of their lenses in FF sensor capability then flirted with EF-S there was quite a good made for aps-c market to tap. Including Sigma DC lenses in EF mount (also Nikon and Pentax). Sigma used the smaller build format of aps-c to build some truly exotic lenses that format without pushing their physical size into the unreal. For example their DC 50-100/1.8 zoom with internal focus and zoom was an exercise in limited practicality. A quite large heavy aps-c lens that will only adapt crop sensor for an effective FF 75-150/1.8 on L-Mount but will focal reduce adapt to 35-70/1.3 on the 4/3 sensor where it makes a wonderful tool for live gig photography. But this will only work for EF mount lenses and Sigma does not make their DC lenses with EF mount any more.
Compact aps-c lenses for L-Mount is to consider aps-c camera bodies for L-Mount and a near death experience for the M4/3 mount that is winking as L-Mount users with a wide range of 4/3 lenses and camera bodies to suit. What is wrong with a G9II with a compact M4/3 lens to mount on it?
Meanwhile I enjoy my L-Mount bodies with FF sensors and wonder just why an aps-c sensor body with lenses is necessary when M4/3 already offers so much.
Jonathan Mac
Leading Member
It makes no sense to produce APS-C lenses for L-mount at all as long as no-one is making L-mount APS-C cameras.
Off The Mark
Veteran Member
Well... I think the only reason that Sigma makes any aps-c lenses for L Mount is because it is (most likely) very inexpensive to make L Mount versions of their extensive line of Sony E Mount lenses. No idea if anyone has bought one for L Mount yet.
Personally, I might end up buying the Sigma 10-18mm f/2.8, which is an aps-c lens, because when I shoot video in 4K 60fps, it crops in to aps-c mode. And I shoot a lot of extra-wide-angle video (currently adapting the Canon EF-S 10-18 IS STM, which is a Canon aps-c lens for DSLR)
Exactly, but yet there are a lot of APS-C lenses being made for L-Mount even though you can't buy a brand new body to use them with.
Jonathan Mac
Leading Member
I think the APS-C lenses that Sigma and Leica produce are in very, very low numbers.
Of course. That would match the APS-C lens sales, which would also be very, very low numbers, probably bordering on non-existent.
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