Latest LRc, Denoise button has gone

[Alan Sh]

I don't know if it's something I've done, but I don't get a denoise button any more (Where I can check what it will do and change the amount). Instead, all I get is this:







There's a toggle for denoise, which when selected, starts doing it - no preview. And I cannot set the amount (slider is greyed out).

So, is it me, or has it changed for everyone?

Alan

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[Zeee]

Welcome to the great new Denoise option. Just apply it and you can fine tune later to taste. It no longer creates a DNG and you can fine tune as many times as you like.

 

[dj_paige]

When LrC updates, or you see the user interface has changed, in LrC go to Help->What's New.

 

[Alan Sh]

So, I've lost the preview function completely then? I used it on my laptop (which can take 2 minutes to do a denoise) to determine whether or not to bother waiting.

That's a pain.

Alan

 

[Zeee]

So, I've lost the preview function completely then? I used it on my laptop (which can take 2 minutes to do a denoise) to determine whether or not to bother waiting.

That's a pain.

We all have to adapt. Some people hated the 250% view as they wanted to see it at 100% which is closer to what they would normally look at for sharpening, etc. Increase your view to 300% and see if you need it.

Alan

 

[Kaj E]

So, I've lost the preview function completely then? I used it on my laptop (which can take 2 minutes to do a denoise) to determine whether or not to bother waiting.

That's a pain.

Alan

Time for a new computer.

 

[Alan Sh]

it's on order - be here tomorrow

 

[Zeee]

it's on order - be here tomorrow

About your concerns about batching. I've never batched with the old method. I imagine if you are batching you are using the same amount based on one of the RAW files you selected as a base.

Apply ADAI (Adobe Denoise AI) to one file and open it at 300% or whatever size you like to help determine how much you want to tweak it. Tweak until you like it. Go back to the original ADAI in the history panel. Apply your new preferred amount which will get rid of the history. You should only see Denoise at 50 and whatever your preferred value is. Then sync the rest of the files to it. You can tweak them later one at time if you wish as you are going through your edits. Tweaking a file on its own after ADIA has been applied has an instant response.

 

[Zeee]

it's on order - be here tomorrow

About your concerns about batching. I've never batched with the old method. I imagine if you are batching you are using the same amount based on one of the RAW files you selected as a base.

Apply ADAI (Adobe Denoise AI) to one file and open it at 300% or whatever size you like to help determine how much you want to tweak it. Tweak until you like it. Go back to the original ADAI in the history panel. Apply your new preferred amount which will get rid of the history. You should only see Denoise at 50 and whatever your preferred value is. Then sync the rest of the files to it. You can tweak them later one at time if you wish as you are going through your edits. Tweaking a file on its own after ADIA has been applied has an instant response.

Another way to do this is to view a file at 300% or whatever size you like. If you think it and other files need ADAI select them, turn the Sync switch to "Auto Sync" and start the denoise process. It will apply 50 to all the files and then you can tweak individual ones later. As I said tweaking an individual file has an instant response. This is likely how I would manage ADAI when it came to batch denoising.

 

[Alan Sh]

I don't have any concerns about batching. Not sure where you saw that.

I preferred the old way of doing it - I guess I will get used to the new way. A new laptop with the latest CPU & GPU will help.

Alan

 

[Zeee]

I don't have any concerns about batching. Not sure where you saw that.

I preferred the old way of doing it - I guess I will get used to the new way. A new laptop with the latest CPU & GPU will help.

You wrote this. The 4th post I think.

So, I've lost the preview function completely then? I used it on my laptop (which can take 2 minutes to do a denoise) to determine whether or not to bother waiting.

Alan

 

[Alan Sh]

Maybe your concept of batching is different to mine, To me it is pushing a lot of photos through the same process and coming back when they are finished.

That's not what I mean. I do them one at a time and I liked to look at the preview to determine whether to proceeed and, if so, how much strength to add - the preview gave me an esitmate of how long it might take.

Alan

 

[Zeee]

Maybe your concept of batching is different to mine, To me it is pushing a lot of photos through the same process and coming back when they are finished.

That's not what I mean. I do them one at a time and I liked to look at the preview to determine whether to proceeed and, if so, how much strength to add - the preview gave me an esitmate of how long it might take.

Sorry for trying to help.

Alan

 

[PaulV]

So, I've lost the preview function completely then? I used it on my laptop (which can take 2 minutes to do a denoise) to determine whether or not to bother waiting.

That's a pain.

Alan

It IS a pain. Whenever a software company changes my workflow, it's a drag. And then to be condescended to is more of a drag. Let's all adapt.

 

[Zeee]

So, I've lost the preview function completely then? I used it on my laptop (which can take 2 minutes to do a denoise) to determine whether or not to bother waiting.

That's a pain.

Alan

It IS a pain. Whenever a software company changes my workflow, it's a drag. And then to be condescended to is more of a drag. Let's all adapt.

That was easy. I waited for 6 months for that and knew what was coming trying it out in ACR. The resulting DNG was about 50MB as compared to what I’m seeing about 1MB added to the lrcat.data folder.

 

[Bill Ferris]

So, I've lost the preview function completely then? I used it on my laptop (which can take 2 minutes to do a denoise) to determine whether or not to bother waiting.

That's a pain.

When Enhance (Denoise + Raw Details) was released a couple of years ago, I adopted an approach of applying that tool with Denoise set to 15 to all photos made at ISO 400. I increased Denoise by 5 points with each reduction in exposure by a full stop. So, Denoise was set to 20 at ISOs 800 to 1250, 25 at ISOs 1600 to 2500, and so on.

After adopting that approach, it took about a month of shooting, processing photos, and reviewing the results to confirm this approach is a good match with my aesthetic.

I bring this up, not too suggest you adopt the same base level Denoise setting and scaling, but to suggest you give the strategy a trial run. Find your base level of exposure where you like to have at least a touch of Denoise applied. At each successive 1-stop reduction in exposure, find an amount of increased Denoise that looks good to you.

Once you've sorted out the specific numbers that fit with your aesthetic, you'll have a strategy you can apply with confidence without needing the preview tool. If there's the occasional photo that benefits from a departure to the standard setting, all that's needed is an adjustment to the Denoise slider. There's no need to reapply Denoise, which is a nice simplification from the old process.

 

[Barleyman]

So, I've lost the preview function completely then? I used it on my laptop (which can take 2 minutes to do a denoise) to determine whether or not to bother waiting.

That's a pain.

When Enhance (Denoise + Raw Details) was released a couple of years ago, I adopted an approach of applying that tool with Denoise set to 15 to all photos made at ISO 400. I increased Denoise by 5 points with each reduction in exposure by a full stop. So, Denoise was set to 20 at ISOs 800 to 1250, 25 at ISOs 1600 to 2500, and so on.

After adopting that approach, it took about a month of shooting, processing photos, and reviewing the results to confirm this approach is a good match with my aesthetic.

I bring this up, not too suggest you adopt the same base level Denoise setting and scaling, but to suggest you give the strategy a trial run. Find your base level of exposure where you like to have at least a touch of Denoise applied. At each successive 1-stop reduction in exposure, find an amount of increased Denoise that looks good to you.

Once you've sorted out the specific numbers that fit with your aesthetic, you'll have a strategy you can apply with confidence without needing the preview tool. If there's the occasional photo that benefits from a departure to the standard setting, all that's needed is an adjustment to the Denoise slider. There's no need to reapply Denoise, which is a nice simplification from the old process.

I agree. I shoot a lot of events where they start out in good light, but as the night goes on, my ISO creeps up. With the old tool, I needed to individually run denoise, perhaps in batches of 10 or 20, depending on the light/scene. Now I just run against all and then make the adjustment as part of my workflow. IF it didn't need it (as sometimes happens) and set it to zero. It's much less disruptive now, changing Noise Reduction is the same amount of work/time as adjusting contrast, or any other slider.

 

[Alan Sh]

Thanks Bill, that sounds like a good way to proceed.

Alan