Lightroom 14.4 AI editing order

[skanter]

Not sure how essential order is. Thoughts?







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[LarryRC]

Not sure how essential order is. Thoughts?

Lightroom Queen updated their Lr/Lrc FAQ suggesting that one should get the exposure (the first 7 sliders) in the ballpark and then do enhance.

 

[Zeee]

Not sure how essential order is. Thoughts?

Lightroom Queen updated their Lr/Lrc FAQ suggesting that one should get the exposure (the first 7 sliders) in the ballpark and then do enhance.

Yes I have always adjusted the basic adjustments first and a a few sharpening tweaks before applying ADAI. Not sure now much that matters now but I would certainly Denoise at the beginning of editing.

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[Zeee]

Where did you get that? It seems sound. I typically do at the end. If you do get something out of order that orange gear lights telling you to update. I got this from a different sites forums a few weeks ago, Of course the red dot is now an orange gear.

In general, applying a command that changes the pixels used to create an AI mask will cause the red dot to appear, warning you to recompute that AI mask using the new pixels. Examples:

- Remove on top of an AI mask (Subject, Sky, etc.).

- Remove on top of Adaptive Color (which creates internal AI masks).

- Remove on top of Lens Blur (which uses a depth-of-field AI mask).

- Lens Blur on top of Adaptive Color.

- Lens Blur on top of an AI mask.

This is an interesting topic. We'll see what others say.

 

[RikkFlohr]

The recommended order of operations to avoid unexpected results and achieve the best output is as follows:

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/using/ai-edit-status.html

 

[Zeee]

The recommended order of operations to avoid unexpected results and achieve the best output is as follows:
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/using/ai-edit-status.html

Thanks. I had read that lens corrections should be applied later so as not to impede performance. I have it applying at import to save a step. Since the performance improvements over the last several years I left it on as it didn’t seem to slow anything down.

As LrC is getting more complex options that could tax performance I’ll revisit my workflow regarding lens corrections and other steps using that link.

 

[Zeee]

Not sure how essential order is. Thoughts?

A little off topic but helpful. If "Hover" is enabled apparently every time you scroll over open presets it creates a Preview. You can see the file change when in the Develop module.

You can either manage this by hiding Presets that you don't use and/or disable Hover. I do both. Hover can be found in Preferences - Performance.

 

[Zeee]

The recommended order of operations to avoid unexpected results and achieve the best output is as follows:
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/using/ai-edit-status.html

Thanks. I had read that lens corrections should be applied later so as not to impede performance. I have it applying at import to save a step. Since the performance improvements over the last several years I left it on as it didn’t seem to slow anything down.

As LrC is getting more complex options that could tax performance I’ll revisit my workflow regarding lens corrections and other steps using that link.

Sorry for the bump. I know recall this came up at Fred Miranda's site about 5 years ago. Someone noticed that turning Lens Correction off made a big difference. Makes sense as to how the LrC catalogue works. As I said I have not noticed any issues but it can't hurt and likely adds less data to the catalogue.

Thanks again.

 

[skanter]

The recommended order of operations to avoid unexpected results and achieve the best output is as follows:
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/using/ai-edit-status.html

Thanks. I had read that lens corrections should be applied later so as not to impede performance. I have it applying at import to save a step. Since the performance improvements over the last several years I left it on as it didn’t seem to slow anything down.

As LrC is getting more complex options that could tax performance I’ll revisit my workflow regarding lens corrections and other steps using that link.

I also have lens corrections assigned at import. Guess I’ll have to reconsider my entire workflow…

How has this been affecting my images or time to make adjustments?

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[Zeee]

The recommended order of operations to avoid unexpected results and achieve the best output is as follows:
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/using/ai-edit-status.html

Thanks. I had read that lens corrections should be applied later so as not to impede performance. I have it applying at import to save a step. Since the performance improvements over the last several years I left it on as it didn’t seem to slow anything down.

As LrC is getting more complex options that could tax performance I’ll revisit my workflow regarding lens corrections and other steps using that link.

I also have lens corrections assigned at import. Guess I’ll have to reconsider my entire workflow…

How has this been affecting my images or time to make adjustments?

I really haven’t noticed much. My edits just fly. I had to update often and still do using masks and corrections because I now import using Adaptive Color profile which is AI. Only takes a few seconds. It’s convenient to have Lens Corrections applied at import. I’ll have look at it.

 

[LarryRC]

Where did you get that?

Lightroom Queen Lr/Lrc FAQ book. You get it by subscribing to lr queen. The table of contents will get you right there. They updated it since 14.4 came out.

It seems sound. I typically do at the end. If you do get something out of order that orange gear lights telling you to update. I got this from a different sites forums a few weeks ago, Of course the red dot is now an orange gear.

In general, applying a command that changes the pixels used to create an AI mask will cause the red dot to appear, warning you to recompute that AI mask using the new pixels. Examples:

- Remove on top of an AI mask (Subject, Sky, etc.).

- Remove on top of Adaptive Color (which creates internal AI masks).

- Remove on top of Lens Blur (which uses a depth-of-field AI mask).

- Lens Blur on top of Adaptive Color.

- Lens Blur on top of an AI mask.

This is an interesting topic. We'll see what others say.

 

[Zeee]

Where did you get that?

Lightroom Queen Lr/Lrc FAQ book. You get it by subscribing to lr queen. The table of contents will get you right there. They updated it since 14.4 came out.

Thanks I do subscribe. I didn’t get around to looking at it.

It seems sound. I typically do at the end. If you do get something out of order that orange gear lights telling you to update. I got this from a different sites forums a few weeks ago, Of course the red dot is now an orange gear.

In general, applying a command that changes the pixels used to create an AI mask will cause the red dot to appear, warning you to recompute that AI mask using the new pixels. Examples:

- Remove on top of an AI mask (Subject, Sky, etc.).

- Remove on top of Adaptive Color (which creates internal AI masks).

- Remove on top of Lens Blur (which uses a depth-of-field AI mask).

- Lens Blur on top of Adaptive Color.

- Lens Blur on top of an AI mask.

This is an interesting topic. We'll see what others say.

 

[ChuckB]

Where did you get that?

Lightroom Queen Lr/Lrc FAQ book. You get it by subscribing to lr queen. The table of contents will get you right there. They updated it since 14.4 came out.

Bah! I am a member but not a "Premium" member and can't see this info. Back to the Google.

 

[skanter]

Where did you get that?

Lightroom Queen Lr/Lrc FAQ book. You get it by subscribing to lr queen. The table of contents will get you right there. They updated it since 14.4 came out.

Bah! I am a member but not a "Premium" member and can't see this info. Back to the Google.

Try Perplexity. It’s usually correct, for the most part, and its its sources.

 

[skanter]

The recommended order of operations to avoid unexpected results and achieve the best output is as follows:
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/using/ai-edit-status.html

Thanks. I had read that lens corrections should be applied later so as not to impede performance. I have it applying at import to save a step. Since the performance improvements over the last several years I left it on as it didn’t seem to slow anything down.

As LrC is getting more complex options that could tax performance I’ll revisit my workflow regarding lens corrections and other steps using that link.

I also have lens corrections assigned at import. Guess I’ll have to reconsider my entire workflow…

How has this been affecting my images or time to make adjustments?

I really haven’t noticed much. My edits just fly. I had to update often and still do using masks and corrections because I now import using Adaptive Color profile which is AI. Only takes a few seconds. It’s convenient to have Lens Corrections applied at import. I’ll have look at it.

Need to experiment with new version. Seems current order advice is NOT to import with adaptive profiles and lens corrections.

 

[Zeee]

The recommended order of operations to avoid unexpected results and achieve the best output is as follows:
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/using/ai-edit-status.html

Thanks. I had read that lens corrections should be applied later so as not to impede performance. I have it applying at import to save a step. Since the performance improvements over the last several years I left it on as it didn’t seem to slow anything down.

As LrC is getting more complex options that could tax performance I’ll revisit my workflow regarding lens corrections and other steps using that link.

I also have lens corrections assigned at import. Guess I’ll have to reconsider my entire workflow…

How has this been affecting my images or time to make adjustments?

I really haven’t noticed much. My edits just fly. I had to update often and still do using masks and corrections because I now import using Adaptive Color profile which is AI. Only takes a few seconds. It’s convenient to have Lens Corrections applied at import. I’ll have look at it.

Need to experiment with new version. Seems current order advice is NOT to import with adaptive profiles and lens corrections.

Seems so. I’ve been doing it with Adaptive Color. After import while in the library I select all files and update so Adaptive Color is applied to all of them. I really like how they look at first glance. When I’ve done Generative AI you could see where the area I masked didn’t look right. Pressing Update corrected that. Applying lens corrections has always been suggested to as the end but I never did.

Now especially with Adaptive Color I guess I’ll have revisit things. The new profile saves so much time mucking around in the Basic Panel that won’t add any time. Just need to adapt. I’ll give importing with Adobe default, no lens corrections and follow that order.

 

[skanter]

The recommended order of operations to avoid unexpected results and achieve the best output is as follows:
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/using/ai-edit-status.html

Thanks. I had read that lens corrections should be applied later so as not to impede performance. I have it applying at import to save a step. Since the performance improvements over the last several years I left it on as it didn’t seem to slow anything down.

As LrC is getting more complex options that could tax performance I’ll revisit my workflow regarding lens corrections and other steps using that link.

I also have lens corrections assigned at import. Guess I’ll have to reconsider my entire workflow…

How has this been affecting my images or time to make adjustments?

I really haven’t noticed much. My edits just fly. I had to update often and still do using masks and corrections because I now import using Adaptive Color profile which is AI. Only takes a few seconds. It’s convenient to have Lens Corrections applied at import. I’ll have look at it.

Need to experiment with new version. Seems current order advice is NOT to import with adaptive profiles and lens corrections.

Seems so. I’ve been doing it with Adaptive Color. After import while in the library I select all files and update so Adaptive Color is applied to all of them. I really like how they look at first glance. When I’ve done Generative AI you could see where the area I masked didn’t look right. Pressing Update corrected that. Applying lens corrections has always been suggested to as the end but I never did.
Now especially with Adaptive Color I guess I’ll have revisit things. The new profile saves so much time mucking around in the Basic Panel that won’t add any time. Just need to adapt. I’ll give importing with Adobe default, no lens corrections and follow that order.

 

[Zeee]

The recommended order of operations to avoid unexpected results and achieve the best output is as follows:
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/using/ai-edit-status.html

Thanks. I had read that lens corrections should be applied later so as not to impede performance. I have it applying at import to save a step. Since the performance improvements over the last several years I left it on as it didn’t seem to slow anything down.

As LrC is getting more complex options that could tax performance I’ll revisit my workflow regarding lens corrections and other steps using that link.

I also have lens corrections assigned at import. Guess I’ll have to reconsider my entire workflow…

How has this been affecting my images or time to make adjustments?

I really haven’t noticed much. My edits just fly. I had to update often and still do using masks and corrections because I now import using Adaptive Color profile which is AI. Only takes a few seconds. It’s convenient to have Lens Corrections applied at import. I’ll have look at it.

Need to experiment with new version. Seems current order advice is NOT to import with adaptive profiles and lens corrections.

Seems so. I’ve been doing it with Adaptive Color. After import while in the library I select all files and update so Adaptive Color is applied to all of them. I really like how they look at first glance. When I’ve done Generative AI you could see where the area I masked didn’t look right. Pressing Update corrected that. Applying lens corrections has always been suggested to as the end but I never did.
Now especially with Adaptive Color I guess I’ll have revisit things. The new profile saves so much time mucking around in the Basic Panel that won’t add any time. Just need to adapt. I’ll give importing with Adobe default, no lens corrections and follow that order.

As an old dog it won’t be easy. I’ll have to staple that new process to my forehead and look in mirror. The pain will remind me.

 

[Zeee]

This should be easy but I'm stumped. To follow that new order of the edits I'm trying to prevent it from applying Lens Corrections at import.

In Preferences RAW details is set to Global: Adobe Default (always has been) and for Apply During Import I tried it at none and the lens corrections did apply.

I could easily create a preset to prevent that from happening but there must be a way to do this without a preset. I did some searches to no avail.

 

[Zeee]

Looks like I'll need a preset.