How does OM/Olympus deal with Pana lenses?

[Don Karner]

I know that Oly/OM cameras do in camera corrections on OM/Oly lenses but how do you handle using something like a Panasonic 12-60 or 25 F1.4 or 42.5 F 1.7? I assume no corrections.... so then what? A lot of post processing stress? Any thoughts would be appreciated. I am obviously new to OM.

 

[ahaslett]

The MFT standard has lens correction data in lenses.

Corrections are applied to the EVF, JPEGs and embedded in RAWs for processors (like C1) that use them.

Specifically for the PL 25/1.4, there are no problems on my OM5 or OM1.

Lens compatibilities for more advanced functions should be in your camera manual and sometimes on the OM Japan website (in English).

A

 

[jalywol]

I know that Oly/OM cameras do in camera corrections on OM/Oly lenses but how do you handle using something like a Panasonic 12-60 or 25 F1.4 or 42.5 F 1.7? I assume no corrections.... so then what? A lot of post processing stress? Any thoughts would be appreciated. I am obviously new to OM.

As the previous poster noted, all M43 lenses have their intrinsic correction profiles applied to all of their output. You do not have to do anything to enable it; this is part of the M43 standard that the manufacturers agreed on for the format.

If you actually WANT to disable it, there are a few RAW conversion programs that allow that, but you'd have to actively select to disable the corrections, as corrections are applied by default.

So, no problem using the Panasonic lenses on your OM body; the corrections will be correctly applied without you having to do anything.

-J

PS: I use Panasonic bodies, but I have a 50:50 mix of Oly (OM) and Panasonic lenses. They all work just fine.

 

[Michael Meissner]

I know that Oly/OM cameras do in camera corrections on OM/Oly lenses but how do you handle using something like a Panasonic 12-60 or 25 F1.4 or 42.5 F 1.7? I assume no corrections.... so then what? A lot of post processing stress? Any thoughts would be appreciated. I am obviously new to OM.

As I understand it, the lens correction information is part of the 4/3rds and micro 4/3rds standard, and it should work as expected with the internal support in the camera and OM supported software.

However, OM/Olympus cameras do not support dual IS between the stabilization in the lens (OIS) and the sensor shift stabilization in the body (IBIS). Most/all cameras introduced since the E-PM2 was announced in 2012 have an option that says whether the camera will use OIS or IBIS for stabilization.

If you select IBIS, the camera will turn off OIS in the lens and always use IBIS.

If you select OIS, the camera will not use IBIS if you have an OIS lens mounted. If you do not have an OIS lens mounted, the camera will use IBIS. I usually use this option, as I had the Panasonic 100-300mm lens and in general I suspect OIS is better for local focal lengths. I now only have 2 Panasonic lenses I might use (20mm f/1.7 and 15mm f/1.7), and neither support OIS, so it isn't an issue for me.

One other issue is some Panasonic lenses seem to have a tendency for purple fringing on some OM/Olympus bodies. The conventional wisdom is this is due to the Panasonic lenses and the OM/Olympus sensors having different cutoff levels for IR light, and that IR light is causing the purple fringing. The lens that is most complained about is the Panasonic 7-14mm f/4, particularly with the older bodies like the E-m5 mark I. I've seen reports that newer OM/Olympus bodies have more IR blocking, but I think I've seen reports that it still exists with newer bodies.

 

[NowHearThis]

I know that Oly/OM cameras do in camera corrections on OM/Oly lenses but how do you handle using something like a Panasonic 12-60 or 25 F1.4 or 42.5 F 1.7?

I have 0 issues using Panasonic lenses on Olympus bodies. It doesn’t matter if it a newer Panasonic lens and an older Olympus body. I have always just used my standard and simple workflow in Lightroom (adjusting light, color, and some sharpening/vignette/dehaze) the same way regardless of the lens being Olympus, Olympus Pro, Panasonic, or Panasonic Leica.

This is one of my favorite things about this system - not only does it have every lens I like and want (for the most part) but it all works beautifully.

I assume no corrections.... so then what? A lot of post processing stress?

Nope. Infact Post processing is so damn simple, I’ve gotten lazy and have used LR Mobile on images for several years now. (I’ll use my computer and larger monitor on the ones I’m going to print, and I’ll spend time working on those, but I would spend no less time using anything else.

Any thoughts would be appreciated. I am obviously new to OM.

Don’t use the old Panasonic 7-14/4 on an Olympus body. This lens, for reasons I’ll never give a **** about, can cause some “purple blobs” in some (not all) images. But there is also no reason to buy this lens since the Significantly sharper and better Panasonic Leica 8-18/2.8-4 exists.

I speak as one who has owned 5 Olympus bodies and 5 Panasonic lenses: PL8-18, PL12-60, P42.5/1.7, P42.5/1.7, and P45-150mm. If never had an issue, you won’t either.

 

[Skeeterbytes]

Optical corrections have been portable between the two brands, either direction, since the system began. Oly cameras began applying Lumix lens CA corrections starting with TruePic VII, IIRC. So they're fully integrated on all newer cameras.

3rd party maker AF lenses (e.g., Sigma, Tamron) will also have digital optical corrections read by Panny and Oly bodies. "Dumb" MF lenses will not.

HTH

Rick

 

[Don Karner]

and so quick. Thank you all for your replies and good information.

 

[SmokeAndMirrorless]

The MFT standard has lens correction data in lenses.

Corrections are applied to the EVF, JPEGs and embedded in RAWs for processors (like C1) that use them.

Specifically for the PL 25/1.4, there are no problems on my OM5 or OM1.

Lens compatibilities for more advanced functions should be in your camera manual and sometimes on the OM Japan website (in English).

A

While the lens correction data may exist in the lens firmware, usage of that data is not part of the m43 spec. Only like-for-like brand camera and lens combinations are guaranteed to apply corrections.

 

[jalywol]

The MFT standard has lens correction data in lenses.

Corrections are applied to the EVF, JPEGs and embedded in RAWs for processors (like C1) that use them.

Specifically for the PL 25/1.4, there are no problems on my OM5 or OM1.

Lens compatibilities for more advanced functions should be in your camera manual and sometimes on the OM Japan website (in English).

A

While the lens correction data may exist in the lens firmware, usage of that data is not part of the m43 spec. Only like-for-like brand camera and lens combinations are guaranteed to apply corrections.

I have not recently looked at the M43 consortium agreement, but I think there has been only one lens, (I think it was a 3D video lens) that Panasonic made for a very brief time, that was not compatible with an Oly body.

Panasonic and Oly lenses, when used on their counterpart's bodies, ALL apply the corrections in camera. There are other things that are not always functional (function buttons, and dual IS, across brands, for instance), but the corrections are always baked in to the image files no matter which lens/body combo you use.

As for third party lenses? I have no idea. But Panasonic and Oly/OM apply corrections for their own and the other when cross mounted.

-J

 

[tomhongkong]

I know that Oly/OM cameras do in camera corrections on OM/Oly lenses but how do you handle using something like a Panasonic 12-60 or 25 F1.4 or 42.5 F 1.7? I assume no corrections.... so then what? A lot of post processing stress? Any thoughts would be appreciated. I am obviously new to OM.

I have found that when pushed to extremes, such as when trying to get maximum image quality from a distant bird against bright sky, I get PF from all of my Panasonic teles , 50-200, 200 2.8 and 100-400 on OM1 especially with TC, which I do not get with 300F4 (and either tele).

I am experimenting with Tiffen 2a filter on the 50-200 with 2x TC with good results. I can almost eliminate PF ooc, and any slight remaining trace can easily be dealt with in DXO. I could not completely eliminate with DXO without the filter. I hope that my 50-200 +2x can become my walk around birding lens (it now seems sharp enough at F8)

I am away from Hong Kong for the next weelk, without much gear, but will post examples when I get back.

tom

 

[Isola Verde]

One other issue is some Panasonic lenses seem to have a tendency for purple fringing on some OM/Olympus bodies. The conventional wisdom is this is due to the Panasonic lenses and the OM/Olympus sensors having different cutoff levels for IR light, and that IR light is causing the purple fringing. The lens that is most complained about is the Panasonic 7-14mm f/4, particularly with the older bodies like the E-m5 mark I. I've seen reports that newer OM/Olympus bodies have more IR blocking, but I think I've seen reports that it still exists with newer bodies.

And there I was, thinking all along that it's an issue at the UV end of the spectrum - an understanding in which I'm seemingly not alone...

Purple Fringing with Panasonic MFT Lenses on Olympus MFT Bodies

etc etc

Peter

 

[tomhongkong]

Sorry, there was a typo in my post above. I am experimenting with Tiffen 2e filter NOT 2A

tom

 

[MJ_Photo38]

My old E-M5 mark II applies all the corrections needed to my Lumix 14mm f/2.5.

I don't think this state of fact has changed in the last decade. Only thing that my E-M5ii can't do is use the OIS in lenses that have it at the same time as the IBIS, you have to choose one or the other in the menus.

Other than that, using Lumix lenses on Olympus / OM cameras or OM / Olympus lenses on Lumix cameras has been pretty fault less and generally pretty close to using native glass (which it technically is)

 

[TheRealYeats]

Don’t use the old Panasonic 7-14/4 on an Olympus body. This lens, for reasons I’ll never give a **** about, can cause some “purple blobs” in some (not all) images. But there is also no reason to buy this lens since the Significantly sharper and better Panasonic Leica 8-18/2.8-4 exists.

FWIW, I've shot several hundred frame with the Oly E-M10 IV + Panny 7-14 and only once - indoor picture of my cat with 2 windows present - have I encountered the "purple blob" issue. Never in outdoor pics, although the sample size is pretty small.

Mirrorlessons found the 7-14 and 8-18 to have similar sharpness, with a small edge to the 8-18: https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/mi...sonic-leica-8-18mm-f2-8-4-vs-lumix-7-14mm-f4/

There are certainly numerous advantages to the 8-18, but the 7-14 is hardly a dog on Oly bodies. When I bought my used 7-14 a few months ago it was around $250 less than a 8-18. Had I been inclined to shell out the additional $$ for the 8-18, I probably would have gone a little more for the Oly 8-25.

 

[Michael Meissner]

One other issue is some Panasonic lenses seem to have a tendency for purple fringing on some OM/Olympus bodies. The conventional wisdom is this is due to the Panasonic lenses and the OM/Olympus sensors having different cutoff levels for IR light, and that IR light is causing the purple fringing. The lens that is most complained about is the Panasonic 7-14mm f/4, particularly with the older bodies like the E-m5 mark I. I've seen reports that newer OM/Olympus bodies have more IR blocking, but I think I've seen reports that it still exists with newer bodies.

And there I was, thinking all along that it's an issue at the UV end of the spectrum - an understanding in which I'm seemingly not alone...

https://alanwatsonforster.org/writing/mft-purple.html

Yep. I didn't post it since I don't recall anything more recent (it was done in 2017). I would have hoped the newer sensors and designs would have fixed this. I see another post in this thread that says there are still problems with the OM-1.

I was curious, and I went to B&H. There isn't much selection that is equivalent to the Wratten 2E that blocks UV light at 390nm. For round filters, your choice seems to be "Formatt Hitech" and "Nisi Armour", in the $50-60 range. I was amused the the "Nisi Armour" filter is explicitly rated to be explosion proof.

Tiffen makes a 77mm filter for $92, but I don't see other sizes.

When I search for 2E filters, I also see Leica branded filters, but the detail doesn't explicitly says it blocks IR at 390nm. And of course these filters are at Leica prices ($150-450). At that price range, the cost of adding the filter means it likely is just cheaper to go with OM/Olympus branded lenses.

And the Panasonic 7-14mm doesn't take filters. I've seen adapters that take 105mm circular filters, but I didn't notice any 2E filters that are that large. You can buy a Kodak 4x4" Wratten 2E filter for $99 and fashion your own filter holder.

 

[gnik1]

As someone with plenty of P / PL lenses considering switching to an OM-5(ii?) I'm interested in better understanding which in-camera computational features are restricted to OM / Oly lenses only and which will work with Panny lenses, if anyone can help?

 

[Skeeterbytes]

As someone with plenty of P / PL lenses considering switching to an OM-5(ii?) I'm interested in better understanding which in-camera computational features are restricted to OM / Oly lenses only and which will work with Panny lenses, if anyone can help?

In-camera stacking. HHHR, Live ND, Pro Capture should work. (Guess Pro Capture technically isn't computational.) Face and eye detection will be fine.

HTH

Rick

 

[tomhongkong]

One other issue is some Panasonic lenses seem to have a tendency for purple fringing on some OM/Olympus bodies. The conventional wisdom is this is due to the Panasonic lenses and the OM/Olympus sensors having different cutoff levels for IR light, and that IR light is causing the purple fringing. The lens that is most complained about is the Panasonic 7-14mm f/4, particularly with the older bodies like the E-m5 mark I. I've seen reports that newer OM/Olympus bodies have more IR blocking, but I think I've seen reports that it still exists with newer bodies.

And there I was, thinking all along that it's an issue at the UV end of the spectrum - an understanding in which I'm seemingly not alone...

https://alanwatsonforster.org/writing/mft-purple.html

Yep. I didn't post it since I don't recall anything more recent (it was done in 2017). I would have hoped the newer sensors and designs would have fixed this. I see another post in this thread that says there are still problems with the OM-1.

I was curious, and I went to B&H. There isn't much selection that is equivalent to the Wratten 2E that blocks UV light at 390nm. For round filters, your choice seems to be "Formatt Hitech" and "Nisi Armour", in the $50-60 range. I was amused the the "Nisi Armour" filter is explicitly rated to be explosion proof.

Tiffen makes a 77mm filter for $92, but I don't see other sizes.

When I search for 2E filters, I also see Leica branded filters, but the detail doesn't explicitly says it blocks IR at 390nm. And of course these filters are at Leica prices ($150-450). At that price range, the cost of adding the filter means it likely is just cheaper to go with OM/Olympus branded lenses.

And the Panasonic 7-14mm doesn't take filters. I've seen adapters that take 105mm circular filters, but I didn't notice any 2E filters that are that large. You can buy a Kodak 4x4" Wratten 2E filter for $99 and fashion your own filter holder.

After researching the problem of PF on Panasonic long lenses (I did not look at the wide angle situation) last month, I decided to buy a Tiffen 67mm 2e filter for my 50-200+2xTC combination.

I found one on ebay and received it a couple of weeks ago. It had a dramatic effect on the results from that combo, which I will show next week when I am back home. After seeing the results I have also bought a 72mm version from ebay which I have not yet tried on my 100-400. I will try one of them on my 200 2.8 with a step down ring just to see how it works, before buyng yet another.

Tom

 

[phenix jc]

Don’t use the old Panasonic 7-14/4 on an Olympus body. This lens, for reasons I’ll never give a **** about, can cause some “purple blobs” in some (not all) images. But there is also no reason to buy this lens since the Significantly sharper and better Panasonic Leica 8-18/2.8-4 exists.

FWIW, I've shot several hundred frame with the Oly E-M10 IV + Panny 7-14 and only once - indoor picture of my cat with 2 windows present - have I encountered the "purple blob" issue. Never in outdoor pics, although the sample size is pretty small.

Mirrorlessons found the 7-14 and 8-18 to have similar sharpness, with a small edge to the 8-18: https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/mi...sonic-leica-8-18mm-f2-8-4-vs-lumix-7-14mm-f4/

There are certainly numerous advantages to the 8-18, but the 7-14 is hardly a dog on Oly bodies. When I bought my used 7-14 a few months ago it was around $250 less than a 8-18. Had I been inclined to shell out the additional $$ for the 8-18, I probably would have gone a little more for the Oly 8-25.

I'm with you : The 7-14 is small sharp and light. I've got it when it was the first uwa in the system and have been using it on various Olympus cameras : The do exist in difficult back lighting, but it's overstated IMO. Of course it is not a first choice recommendation on Olympus, you've multiple choices nowadays

 

[MJ_Photo38]

As someone with plenty of P / PL lenses considering switching to an OM-5(ii?) I'm interested in better understanding which in-camera computational features are restricted to OM / Oly lenses only and which will work with Panny lenses, if anyone can help?

In-camera stacking. HHHR, Live ND, Pro Capture should work. (Guess Pro Capture technically isn't computational.) Face and eye detection will be fine.

HTH

Rick

IIRC, only dual IS will not work, and you will have the option to choose between the OIS in the lens or the IBIS, but you can't have both at the same time