Anyone else seeing this weird magenta with N-RAW in DaVinciR v19?

[Ninpou_Bunshinnojutsu]

V19.1B12

Seems to be ok with just magenta thumbnails and timelines but still...
Didn't see this issue in earlier versions.


Magenta

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[ClintGryke]

Yes and no. I just imported a clip taken in Feb 24 on my Z8 and it is showing exactly what you say in Resolve 19.1on my Intel Mac. However, more recent clips from my Z8 and Z6III are normal. Weird but it doesn’t have any effect on the video itself. Another strange Resolve bug - not a big issue but worth reporting.

 

[Suntan]

I have not seen that on the studio version (and z9 files.) Are you on studio or free version?

 

[bing041]

I have not seen that on the studio version (and z9 files.) Are you on studio or free version?

I have seen this after I upgraded Resolve STUDIO to the latest version. Z8, NRAW.

 

[Ninpou_Bunshinnojutsu]

Yes and no. I just imported a clip taken in Feb 24 on my Z8 and it is showing exactly what you say in Resolve 19.1on my Intel Mac. However, more recent clips from my Z8 and Z6III are normal. Weird but it doesn’t have any effect on the video itself. Another strange Resolve bug - not a big issue but worth reporting.

ok thanks! im on a m3 mbp

 

[Ninpou_Bunshinnojutsu]

I have not seen that on the studio version (and z9 files.) Are you on studio or free version?

studio and i forgot to say this earlier, n-log

 

[ATP62]

When you are in the Media page , choose all video clip - right click and choose color. All video clip will have the color you choose.. In this example videos from B-roll and Day1 can have different color.



In Edit page , just right click on Video clip , and choose color. You can do the same with Audio.





Maybe this will help.

 

[Ninpou_Bunshinnojutsu]

When you are in the Media page , choose all video clip - right click and choose color. All video clip will have the color you choose.. In this example videos from B-roll and Day1 can have different color.

In Edit page , just right click on Video clip , and choose color. You can do the same with Audio.

Hello, if you look at my timeline, it is "navy". But, my complaint is about the video thumbnails, not the color of the timeline bar (which is just a solid color).

 

[ATP62]

Ok.

 

[Tom Stites]

Yes, I ran across this yesterday with a single clip that I shot back in September with my Z8...an NRaw 120fps clip, in Normal mode, 4.1K SDR. Shows the magenta cast anywhere a thumbnail is used or in the timeline. GUI display and clean-feed via Decklink Mini Monitor 4K to OLED display look normal.
I just went out and shot two clips in the same configuration on my Z8, though one in High Quality and one in Normal and inserted into the same project and they both look normal in all respects.
I deleted the offending clip from the timeline and media pool and re-inserted it into the project and it's still magenta in thumbnails or timeline.
I went further and created a new project, same setup as previous and inserted the same three clips, one old and two new...same situation, the old clip is still showing magenta.

Seems to be an issue with the clip. This clip is the only one I've seen this occur on, though I haven't done extensive checking due to the system upgrade I just completed Friday.
I'm on the latest R19.1.12 version and I know I didn't see this in the version I was using when I first worked with the offending clip.
However, I just upgraded my edit system with a new Mobo, CPU, memory and updated to Win 11 Pro 24H2, so a lot of system changes all at once.







And since someone might ask...
New:

Asus Z890 Prime WiFi
Intel Core Ultra 7 265K
64MB DDR5-6000 Ram

Existing display hardware:

nVidia RTX-3090 FE > Dell 32" Ultrasharp 4K UP3216Q
BMD Decklink Mini Monitor 4K > LG 48" C3 OLED Display
iGPU > LG 27" WQXGA Display 27EA83R

Have you posted about this on the BMD Forum? I haven't seen anything about it yet and I check in there every day or two.

Cheers!

 

[Ninpou_Bunshinnojutsu]

Have you posted about this on the BMD Forum? I haven't seen anything about it yet and I check in there every day or two.

Cheers!

Not yet, I was checking to see if it was just me.
I'll try to open a ticket with BM soon.

PS: I'm seeing this on all my new clips; I guess I can go back and use my older ones and see if the same thing happens.

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[Ninpou_Bunshinnojutsu]

I just checked and I think it only happens with N-RAW clips using the x2.3 crop! I will try to report that to BM.

BTW, apparently this topic "does not belong in Nikon Z mirrorless", but a generic Digital Video Talk forum?

This issue is VERY specific to Nikon Mirrorless though and even specific models. I fail to understand why an admin would think dumping this VERY specific camera issue into a multi-brand "open topic" is more relevant?

 

[Tom Stites]

I just checked and I think it only happens with N-RAW clips using the x2.3 crop! I will try to report that to BM.
BTW, apparently this topic "does not belong in Nikon Z mirrorless", but a generic Digital Video Talk forum?
This issue is VERY specific to Nikon Mirrorless though and even specific models. I fail to understand why an admin would think dumping this VERY specific camera issue into a multi-brand "open topic" is more relevant?

Interesting about the 2.3 crop...I just shot some quick test clips and it appears that this only happens in DX mode at either the regular 1.5x DX crop (5392x3032) and the 2.3x crop mode (3840x2160). I tested at 60fps and 30fps in the 1.5x DX mode and both showed magenta cast, just like the 2.3X crop at 120fps.

And one other interesting bit...I just tried my Z9 and it does the same thing in DX mode. I only tried DX 1.5x crop mode at 60fps and it has the same cast as the Z8. I only tried the one mode...it's late here and time for me to get horizontal!

Seems to be no issue with any of the FX modes at any resolution or frame rate.

I'm in full agreement with you regarding where this belongs...this matter should get wider attention than it will get in this section.

Cheers!

 

[ClintGryke]

I just checked and I think it only happens with N-RAW clips using the x2.3 crop! I will try to report that to BM.
BTW, apparently this topic "does not belong in Nikon Z mirrorless", but a generic Digital Video Talk forum?
This issue is VERY specific to Nikon Mirrorless though and even specific models. I fail to understand why an admin would think dumping this VERY specific camera issue into a multi-brand "open topic" is more relevant?

Interesting about the 2.3 crop...I just shot some quick test clips and it appears that this only happens in DX mode at either the regular 1.5x DX crop (5392x3032) and the 2.3x crop mode (3840x2160). I tested at 60fps and 30fps in the 1.5x DX mode and both showed magenta cast, just like the 2.3X crop at 120fps.

And one other interesting bit...I just tried my Z9 and it does the same thing in DX mode. I only tried DX 1.5x crop mode at 60fps and it has the same cast as the Z8. I only tried the one mode...it's late here and time for me to get horizontal!
Seems to be no issue with any of the FX modes at any resolution or frame rate.

I'm in full agreement with you regarding where this belongs...this matter should get wider attention than it will get in this section.

Cheers!

Yes I'm only seeing this happen in 2.3 crop or DX mode. I almost never use these modes but the clips I used were ones that were sitting on my machine from some tests I did earlier this year. That is why I thought it was only affecting older clips but no FX clips are showing this at all. All of my clips are N-Log.

I also happen to have a copy of Assimilate Play Pro Studio on my Mac which can read and transcode NRAW and I am not seeing this with the same clips there so I am thinking it is a Resolve issue. I am on Resolve Studio 19.1, macOS Sequoia on both Intel and M1 Macs so it is nothing to do with operating system or platform.

Resolve is such a vast program that strange bugs seem to appear out of nowhere. There was one a while back in one of the early versions of 19.0n where some 10-bit HDR stills files were appearing as green and that was affecting the entire image, not just the thumbnail. At least in this case it appears to be entirely cosmetic as it is only the thumbnails that are affected.

 

[Tom Stites]

I just checked and I think it only happens with N-RAW clips using the x2.3 crop! I will try to report that to BM.
BTW, apparently this topic "does not belong in Nikon Z mirrorless", but a generic Digital Video Talk forum?
This issue is VERY specific to Nikon Mirrorless though and even specific models. I fail to understand why an admin would think dumping this VERY specific camera issue into a multi-brand "open topic" is more relevant?

Interesting about the 2.3 crop...I just shot some quick test clips and it appears that this only happens in DX mode at either the regular 1.5x DX crop (5392x3032) and the 2.3x crop mode (3840x2160). I tested at 60fps and 30fps in the 1.5x DX mode and both showed magenta cast, just like the 2.3X crop at 120fps.

And one other interesting bit...I just tried my Z9 and it does the same thing in DX mode. I only tried DX 1.5x crop mode at 60fps and it has the same cast as the Z8. I only tried the one mode...it's late here and time for me to get horizontal!
Seems to be no issue with any of the FX modes at any resolution or frame rate.

I'm in full agreement with you regarding where this belongs...this matter should get wider attention than it will get in this section.

Cheers!

Yes I'm only seeing this happen in 2.3 crop or DX mode. I almost never use these modes but the clips I used were ones that were sitting on my machine from some tests I did earlier this year. That is why I thought it was only affecting older clips but no FX clips are showing this at all. All of my clips are N-Log.

I also happen to have a copy of Assimilate Play Pro Studio on my Mac which can read and transcode NRAW and I am not seeing this with the same clips there so I am thinking it is a Resolve issue. I am on Resolve Studio 19.1, macOS Sequoia on both Intel and M1 Macs so it is nothing to do with operating system or platform.

Resolve is such a vast program that strange bugs seem to appear out of nowhere. There was one a while back in one of the early versions of 19.0n where some 10-bit HDR stills files were appearing as green and that was affecting the entire image, not just the thumbnail. At least in this case it appears to be entirely cosmetic as it is only the thumbnails that are affected.

Thanks Clint, very useful data points since APPS doesn't show the behavio(u)r and DVR on a Mac does. The clip I noticed the issue on a couple days ago had been shot and reviewed in DVR back in late September and I didn't notice the discolored thumbnails at that time...so an earlier build didn't have the issue.

Thanks!

 

[halfmanhalfbiscuit]

Yup, I'm also seeing this - seems to be the first clip in a timeline for me. I'm also seeing Resolve Studio v19.1 being *incredibly* slow on anything - it's almost unusable at the moment. I don't recall having everything be basically 1fps rendering even when using quarter resolution proxies. Actually, let me restate - it is unusable. So much so that I'm evaluating FCPro 11 to see if it's any better.

And for reference - I have an M4 Max with 128Gb RAM and 8TB SSD, so it's not the laptop that's the problem. My previous M3 Max w/128Gb RAM was faster.

 

[halfmanhalfbiscuit]

Yup, I'm also seeing this - seems to be the first clip in a timeline for me. I'm also seeing Resolve Studio v19.1 being *incredibly* slow on anything - it's almost unusable at the moment. I don't recall having everything be basically 1fps rendering even when using quarter resolution proxies. Actually, let me restate - it is unusable. So much so that I'm evaluating FCPro 11 to see if it's any better.

And for reference - I have an M4 Max with 128Gb RAM and 8TB SSD, so it's not the laptop that's the problem. My previous M3 Max w/128Gb RAM was faster.

Well, I just downgraded from 19.1 --> 19.0.3 and the magenta problem is not present there. Furthermore, the performance is 1000x better - I can actually play my timeline again.

Personally, I'd recommend going back to 19.0.3 unless you really need some of the 19.1 features.

 

[Tom Stites]

Yup, I'm also seeing this - seems to be the first clip in a timeline for me. I'm also seeing Resolve Studio v19.1 being *incredibly* slow on anything - it's almost unusable at the moment. I don't recall having everything be basically 1fps rendering even when using quarter resolution proxies. Actually, let me restate - it is unusable. So much so that I'm evaluating FCPro 11 to see if it's any better.

And for reference - I have an M4 Max with 128Gb RAM and 8TB SSD, so it's not the laptop that's the problem. My previous M3 Max w/128Gb RAM was faster.

Well, I just downgraded from 19.1 --> 19.0.3 and the magenta problem is not present there. Furthermore, the performance is 1000x better - I can actually play my timeline again.

Personally, I'd recommend going back to 19.0.3 unless you really need some of the 19.1 features.

I didn't see any appreciable difference in speed between 19.03 and 19.1 but that was prior to me doing a major system upgrade at the end of the week, so the speed increase I have seen is due to the upgrades...mainly CPU going from Gen 9 to Gen 15, 8 to 20 cores and DDR5-6000 memory from DDR4-something. I suspect BMD will quickly get things tweaked and/or figure out what setting or interaction with some other software is causing the slowdown. The Apple silicon has given them a few fits since it came out. Video editing is probably the most complex and demanding software we run.

In my case, it's not just the first clip...can be anywhere in the timeline when I have a mix of FX and DX clips...the DX clips will always have the Magenta cast. This is in no way a showstopper for me as I rarely shoot in DX mode and even with the Magenta cast, it doesn't inhibit my work...just a minor aggravation.

Here's another screen grab of some clips I shot this morning in various DX modes and both SDR and NLog.





Thanks for your comments on this. I've sent an email support request to BMD along with a project archive with some sample files and timeline for them to test with. I'll post whatever communication I receive from them.
Cheers!

 

[Ninpou_Bunshinnojutsu]

Yup, I'm also seeing this - seems to be the first clip in a timeline for me. I'm also seeing Resolve Studio v19.1 being *incredibly* slow on anything - it's almost unusable at the moment. I don't recall having everything be basically 1fps rendering even when using quarter resolution proxies. Actually, let me restate - it is unusable. So much so that I'm evaluating FCPro 11 to see if it's any better.

And for reference - I have an M4 Max with 128Gb RAM and 8TB SSD, so it's not the laptop that's the problem. My previous M3 Max w/128Gb RAM was faster.

Well, I just downgraded from 19.1 --> 19.0.3 and the magenta problem is not present there. Furthermore, the performance is 1000x better - I can actually play my timeline again.

Personally, I'd recommend going back to 19.0.3 unless you really need some of the 19.1 features.

Oh that's good to know.

 

[Tom Stites]

Update: I submitted a support request to BMD yesterday along with a link to a DVR archive with sample files and a short timeline that they can view to see the problem. I received a response from them this evening and they're actively looking into the matter.

I had some time this morning and decided to uninstall 19.1 on my Dell Laptop and install 19.0.3 on it to see if that version exhibited the same problem...nope, clean as a whistle! I passed that info along to BMD and they acknowledged receipt of it.

In case anyone else makes contact with BMD, I've been communicating with Adam B and I assume he's in Oz!

Cheers!