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"I originally had an additional question in this list to answer. However, an NDA now prevents me from doing so. You’ll know the question and answer sooner rather than later."

I guess it means there will be some new toys soon. Question could have been about the Z7 III update, or, maybe more likely, about the next incarnation of Z DX.

[Edit: Just realised this is dated October 21st, but I did not see this before today even though I am sure I visited his sites between then and end of last week. So - apologies if this has already been discussed.]
 
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Bottom of this page:

https://www.zsystemuser.com/nikon-z-system-news-and/magic-8-ball-answers-future.html

"I originally had an additional question in this list to answer. However, an NDA now prevents me from doing so. You’ll know the question and answer sooner rather than later."

I guess it means there will be some new toys soon. Question could have been about the Z7 III update, or, maybe more likely, about the next incarnation of Z DX.

[Edit: Just realised this is dated October 21st, but I did not see this before today even though I am sure I visited his sites between then and end of last week. So - apologies if this has already been discussed.]
Could be something as simple as the Nikon Z50 II, which I guess you meant, which is not really going to be a suprise as Nikon has to update it by end December 2024 for the EU's USB-C regs (excluding existing stocks in the EU at that date).
 
Bottom of this page:

https://www.zsystemuser.com/nikon-z-system-news-and/magic-8-ball-answers-future.html

"I originally had an additional question in this list to answer. However, an NDA now prevents me from doing so. You’ll know the question and answer sooner rather than later."

I guess it means there will be some new toys soon. Question could have been about the Z7 III update, or, maybe more likely, about the next incarnation of Z DX.

[Edit: Just realised this is dated October 21st, but I did not see this before today even though I am sure I visited his sites between then and end of last week. So - apologies if this has already been discussed.]
Probably the Z9 Mark II with RED technology built-in for video people.

I honestly don't think it's a Z7 III and if it was, it would just be an Expeed 7 with the same hardware and same body. but I don't think Nikon is even planning that right now or in the near future (now or in 2025).

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Bottom of this page:

https://www.zsystemuser.com/nikon-z-system-news-and/magic-8-ball-answers-future.html

"I originally had an additional question in this list to answer. However, an NDA now prevents me from doing so. You’ll know the question and answer sooner rather than later."

I guess it means there will be some new toys soon. Question could have been about the Z7 III update, or, maybe more likely, about the next incarnation of Z DX.

[Edit: Just realised this is dated October 21st, but I did not see this before today even though I am sure I visited his sites between then and end of last week. So - apologies if this has already been discussed.]
Probably the Z9 Mark II with RED technology built-in for video people.
I presume you did not read the linked article. In it, he elaborated on RED cameras with Z-mount at length (despite being under some sort of NDA), which suggests that this is not what the NDA is about.
 
Bottom of this page:

https://www.zsystemuser.com/nikon-z-system-news-and/magic-8-ball-answers-future.html

"I originally had an additional question in this list to answer. However, an NDA now prevents me from doing so. You’ll know the question and answer sooner rather than later."

I guess it means there will be some new toys soon. Question could have been about the Z7 III update, or, maybe more likely, about the next incarnation of Z DX.

[Edit: Just realised this is dated October 21st, but I did not see this before today even though I am sure I visited his sites between then and end of last week. So - apologies if this has already been discussed.]
Probably the Z9 Mark II with RED technology built-in for video people.
I presume you did not read the linked article. In it, he elaborated on RED cameras with Z-mount at length (despite being under some sort of NDA), which suggests that this is not what the NDA is about.
Well, his last sentence does suggest a new camera of some sort. I'm just speculating it to be a Z9 variant (hybrid for video and sports, perhaps even lower-res than the current Z9). Thom does make it sound like whatever is coming, will have some RED tech in it, and that RED cameras (if NIkon is to continue the dedicated video cam line), will use Nikon's processors perhaps and AF tech).

A new DX camera? Perhaps. a new Z7 III, probably not (as even Thom doesn't think so). But I think we will see a mention of a Z9 Mark II, if not a product release by the end of the year, with teasers perhaps starting around Thanksgiving.

The article does address some of the comments that have been coming up, and maybe that's why he wrote this obviously, was to give his opinion and predictions, which is fine. I think a lot of it makes sense, particularly about the 120-300 and the firmware updates (as cameras like the Z6 III is coming up on 5 months, the Zf a little over a year anniversary, and the Z8 it's 18 months anniversary, so I think in terms of firmware updates, yes, they will be here sometime around the holidays). The Z II's and Z5 (and possibly the APSC cameras especially the Z50) may not get any substantial updates though, as those are a bit older and probably on their way out (in terms of production). But that also could mean that a DX Camera is also coming at some point but not "real soon".

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I sure hope that Thom Hogan knows something, rather than "Thom Hogan knows absolutely nothing." ;-)

There is always something new around the corner. So far in 2024, Nikon has only introduced one new camera body and three Z lenses (Z6iii, 28-400, 35/1.4 and 50/1.4). That is rather thin. Perhaps we'll see a couple more product announcements before year end.
 
Bottom of this page:

https://www.zsystemuser.com/nikon-z-system-news-and/magic-8-ball-answers-future.html

"I originally had an additional question in this list to answer. However, an NDA now prevents me from doing so. You’ll know the question and answer sooner rather than later."

I guess it means there will be some new toys soon. Question could have been about the Z7 III update, or, maybe more likely, about the next incarnation of Z DX.

[Edit: Just realised this is dated October 21st, but I did not see this before today even though I am sure I visited his sites between then and end of last week. So - apologies if this has already been discussed.]
Probably the Z9 Mark II with RED technology built-in for video people.

I honestly don't think it's a Z7 III and if it was, it would just be an Expeed 7 with the same hardware and same body. but I don't think Nikon is even planning that right now or in the near future (now or in 2025).
Z9 II dont be daft, how quickly do you think a new CPU can be developed, bug tested, placed into a prototype, have the machine done for parts, get a prototype into the field, embed RED systems etc I think end of 2025 is most likely.

A DX body before Xmas makes complete sense,
 
[Edit: Just realised this is dated October 21st, but I did not see this before today even though I am sure I visited his sites between then and end of last week. So - apologies if this has already been discussed.]
Nope that's been added it wasn't on the page the other day, at least not to my knowledge as I tend to read his posts in fine detail.

I would guess that we will see this week, becuases its getting very late for a release for the festive period, although some kit lenses have been hard to get so might be an indication of a DX body with the some kit options as well.

And, maybe some firmware, and for the Z9 the fix for what appears to be a memory leak when the camera is configured in a particular way when using high FPS.

I guess Wednesday or Thursday
 
Bottom of this page:

https://www.zsystemuser.com/nikon-z-system-news-and/magic-8-ball-answers-future.html

"I originally had an additional question in this list to answer. However, an NDA now prevents me from doing so. You’ll know the question and answer sooner rather than later."

I guess it means there will be some new toys soon. Question could have been about the Z7 III update, or, maybe more likely, about the next incarnation of Z DX.

[Edit: Just realised this is dated October 21st, but I did not see this before today even though I am sure I visited his sites between then and end of last week. So - apologies if this has already been discussed.]
Probably the Z9 Mark II with RED technology built-in for video people.
I presume you did not read the linked article. In it, he elaborated on RED cameras with Z-mount at length (despite being under some sort of NDA), which suggests that this is not what the NDA is about.
Well, his last sentence does suggest a new camera of some sort. I'm just speculating it to be a Z9 variant (hybrid for video and sports, perhaps even lower-res than the current Z9). I don't think they would put any RED tech into a DX camera just looking at the lens line-up for DX (very small and I don't see that changing much).
On the contrary, I think APS-C cameras are very, very focused at people who shoot video, i.e. the Z30's whole reason to exist. If we get a Z DX camera (my guess) I think it will have some compelling video specs that would really compete with the APS-C video-focused cameras from Sony and even Panasonic's stuff.
Tut Thom does make it sound like whatever is coming, will have some RED tech in it, and that RED cameras (if NIkon is to continue the dedicated video cam line), will use Nikon's processors perhaps and AF tech).
Agreed, and not to downplay the efforts of Nikon's engineers, but incorporating some 'RED' tech into a New DX camera wouldn't be that hard I don't think. Add an internal RAW recording mode, maybe some other goodies even if they are 'coming soon' and that's about it. There's already a DX Powerzoom 12-28mm lens, heck make one more a bit more telephoto and you have a fairly competent 2 lens video kit for high quality 4k video.
And if you take other parts that Thom has mentioned, like the resolution of the Z9 and how things trickle down, that may be how the video works as well. Comes to the Z9 first in a Z9 Mark II, then the Z8 Mark II and then maybe a Z7 III will come along (and the Z6 and lower cameras may not receive the RED video tech, to help differentiate). Thom even feels that a Z7 III anytime soon (likely meaning this year or next) is not likely.
Agreed that the Z7iii soon is probably not likely (hold up with the sensor fab), but speaking to the generations Thom mentions, we have 4 current gen cameras, with 5 previous gen ones (6 if you count the Z6ii, I don't). 9 or so camera models for Nikon is already a lot, but then to spread three generations of tech or processor among them, that just seems like a lot to me.

Not saying all the Expeed 6 cameras need to be discontinued before we get a Z9ii with Expeed 8, but if he's written about a sensor fab delay for the new high megapixel sensor and the need to put that sensor in the Z8ii for reasons only Nikon knows (that's a whole other can of worms), then I still think we're a ways out on the Z9ii also.
 
Bottom of this page:

https://www.zsystemuser.com/nikon-z-system-news-and/magic-8-ball-answers-future.html

"I originally had an additional question in this list to answer. However, an NDA now prevents me from doing so. You’ll know the question and answer sooner rather than later."

I guess it means there will be some new toys soon. Question could have been about the Z7 III update, or, maybe more likely, about the next incarnation of Z DX.

[Edit: Just realised this is dated October 21st, but I did not see this before today even though I am sure I visited his sites between then and end of last week. So - apologies if this has already been discussed.]
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I am hoping it is:

'is the 35mm 1.2 S lens real?'

And the answer being 'yes, out before christmas'

:)
 
Thom refers to an NDA. What does this suggest? That he has been given inside knowledge or is/will review a pre-release copy of X? Or something else?
 
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Thom refers to an NDA. What does this suggest? That he has been given inside knowledge or is/will review a pre-release copy of X? Or something else?
Can be many things, but it confirms some sort of inside knowledge. Otherwise, there would not be an NDA. What exactly is difficult to say - possibly testing a camera/lens (or has been shown a camera/lens).
 
Thom refers to an NDA. What does this suggest? That he has been given inside knowledge or is/will review a pre-release copy of X? Or something else?
Can be many things, but it confirms some sort of inside knowledge. Otherwise, there would not be an NDA. What exactly is difficult to say - possibly testing a camera/lens (or has been shown a camera/lens).
Agreed. At this point my money would be on a DX camera. If so, the question is how exciting it will be: Z50 + Expeed 7 or also IBIS, new sensor, new DX lenses, etc.

As Thom suggests, we will know sooner rather than later.
 
Let's play, "Unasked Question!"

What's there question Thom didn't ask? Here are my top 3 candidates:

"Where is the Z7III?"

"Where is the Z-mount APS-C flagship?"

"Where is the Z50II?"
 
Let's play, "Unasked Question!"

What's there question Thom didn't ask? Here are my top 3 candidates:

"Where is the Z7III?"

"Where is the Z-mount APS-C flagship?"

"Where is the Z50II?"
Where is the 35mm f/1.2 ?
 
Bottom of this page:

https://www.zsystemuser.com/nikon-z-system-news-and/magic-8-ball-answers-future.html

"I originally had an additional question in this list to answer. However, an NDA now prevents me from doing so. You’ll know the question and answer sooner rather than later."

I guess it means there will be some new toys soon. Question could have been about the Z7 III update, or, maybe more likely, about the next incarnation of Z DX.

[Edit: Just realised this is dated October 21st, but I did not see this before today even though I am sure I visited his sites between then and end of last week. So - apologies if this has already been discussed.]
Probably the Z9 Mark II with RED technology built-in for video people.

I honestly don't think it's a Z7 III and if it was, it would just be an Expeed 7 with the same hardware and same body. but I don't think Nikon is even planning that right now or in the near future (now or in 2025).
Z9 II dont be daft, how quickly do you think a new CPU can be developed, bug tested, placed into a prototype, have the machine done for parts, get a prototype into the field, embed RED systems etc I think end of 2025 is most likely.

A DX body before Xmas makes complete sense,
Probably quicker than you think. Do you really think it took Nikon only 6 months from Dev announcement in mid 2021 to Dec 2021 to develop the Z9? Likely not. More than likely they started on that project as far back as 2020 when the Z II's were announced. This also may be one reason we haven't seen an updated Z7 III or DX camera ... they're working on a new Z9 possibly in an anticipation if an upcoming Sony a1 Mark II (as that most directly competes with the Z9; the R1 has already been released so Canon played their cards).

The Z7 III I don't know when it will be. I'm speculating maybe late next year, but I think that a Z9 Mark II will come before a Z7 III basically. The point being, if Nikon is going to start putting RED tech into cameras, it likely will start with an updated Z9 (if it's to be in a hybrid camera and not a video-specific camera like the Canon C-series).

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If Thom knows something so does DPR, and Photography Life, and PetaPixel, and Steve Perry, and….. In fact, if there is something, the “First Impressions” posts that show up within hours are likely ready to go.
 
If Thom knows something so does DPR, and Photography Life, and PetaPixel, and Steve Perry, and….. In fact, if there is something, the “First Impressions” posts that show up within hours are likely ready to go.
Yes, that's obvious. But none of these publicly stated that they are under Nikon NDA right now.
 
If Thom knows something so does DPR, and Photography Life, and PetaPixel, and Steve Perry, and….. In fact, if there is something, the “First Impressions” posts that show up within hours are likely ready to go.
Yes, that's obvious. But none of these publicly stated that they are under Nikon NDA right now.
and why would they - when they are allowed to say something, they will and we know it.

Thom didn't have to say that, he's just planting a teaser.. And it get's people talking about his blogs etc..
 

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