OM-1 High Res Mode vs Full Frame - Part 2

[HicHic]

This time, I test OM-1's single shot, HHHR and HR modes against native 45MP and 50MP sensors. Like last time, I will give the lens advantage to the M43 setup to help boost its results as much as possible. The OM-1 is using the 12-40 2.8 Pro @ 25mm F4. The FF is using a sub $100 dollar plastic lens - 50mm/1.8 @ F5. This is the softest FF lens I have.



I also threw in a 5DSR 28MP (M RAW) shot in the mix. Previously, I estimated the 50MP HHHR mode to resolve a similar amount of detail to a native low 30s MP sensor (something like the A7IV). Let's see how it stacks up against 28MP.



High res shots were exported from workspace.

 

[MikeTX]

I’ve been enjoying these threads and they’ve reminded me of how much extra detail the tripod modes can pull out. thanks for that.

I do have a question though. To my eye it really looks like the workspace shots are a tad over sharpened. I see halo artifacts; if I were doing the sharpening by hand I’d want to dial it down just a tad.

is that just me? Do you see it too?

 

[Mait]

Yesterday i tried few different methods of HHHR moon shot, first i opened in OM workspace and exported as tiff.

Then i also tried opening the ORF in ACR and moved the unsharp mask sliders way up, last one i also applied 10% ACR AI denoise.

They compared like this:

OMW, ACR, ACR + AI denoise





And that was the final proccessed image i got out of it:

 

[knickerhawk]

I’ve been enjoying these threads and they’ve reminded me of how much extra detail the tripod modes can pull out. thanks for that.

I do have a question though. To my eye it really looks like the workspace shots are a tad over sharpened. I see halo artifacts; if I were doing the sharpening by hand I’d want to dial it down just a tad.

is that just me? Do you see it too?

It's not just you. OMWS always applies some sharpening (can't be completely turned off), and the result will be visible halos for strong contrasting edges like those featured in this shot. It's a bit of a double-edged sword since the primary reason many prefer OMWS as the converter of choice for HHHR and Tripod HiRes shots is because they are soft and can benefit from a lot of sharpening.

Especially now with the enhanced demosaicing engine built into the Enhance option in ACR/LR, I prefer to use that platform because it offers much more flexibility with how, when and the type of sharpening and micro-contrast is added.

Perhaps HicHic will make the raws available for us to play with?

 

[HicHic]

Perhaps HicHic will make the raws available for us to play with?

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[HicHic]

I’ve been enjoying these threads and they’ve reminded me of how much extra detail the tripod modes can pull out. thanks for that.

I do have a question though. To my eye it really looks like the workspace shots are a tad over sharpened. I see halo artifacts; if I were doing the sharpening by hand I’d want to dial it down just a tad.

is that just me? Do you see it too?

I agree. I left the default 40 sharpening from Photoshop on all files. Maybe I should have turned that to 0 for the files that were exported from workspace! I haven't added any sharpening in workspace.

 

[knickerhawk]

Perhaps HicHic will make the raws available for us to play with?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19oSB7LL6J6IL0nqArrTbgEnLeo8zyixF?usp=sharing

Thanks! I'll play and post. Would it be too much to ask for the 50mb 5DSR raw as well?

 

[HicHic]

Perhaps HicHic will make the raws available for us to play with?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19oSB7LL6J6IL0nqArrTbgEnLeo8zyixF?usp=sharing

Thanks! I'll play and post. Would it be too much to ask for the 50mb 5DSR raw as well?

Yes, too much.

 

[KFirash]

Perhaps HicHic will make the raws available for us to play with?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19oSB7LL6J6IL0nqArrTbgEnLeo8zyixF?usp=sharing

The 5DSR and R5 files are missing.

 

[HicHic]

I’ve been enjoying these threads and they’ve reminded me of how much extra detail the tripod modes can pull out. thanks for that.

No problem! I'm glad you are enjoying these comparisons. The tripod mode is certainly a very nice boost over the single shot. The HHHR is so-so. Good for noise reduction, but not a game changer in terms of resolving more detail. The tripod mode is much better for that.

The HHHR mode seems slightly worse than the 28MP 5DSR shot, so in terms of resolving details, it may be similar to an A6700 (26MP). The tripod mode looks to be performing in the low 40s MP, so it may trade blows with an A7RII (42MP).

 

[MikeTX]

I’ve been using HHHR a lot since the OM-1 made it so fast. It’s def helpful. But I’ve gotten out of the habit of carrying my tripods, so had mostly forgotten how much the tripod mode helps. I’d used it a lot in the past and will be using it more on an upcoming trip.

 

[HicHic]

I’ve been using HHHR a lot since the OM-1 made it so fast. It’s def helpful. But I’ve gotten out of the habit of carrying my tripods, so had mostly forgotten how much the tripod mode helps. I’d used it a lot in the past and will be using it more on an upcoming trip.

Yeah, I use HHHR a lot too. This test is a good reminder of how much more gains can be had with a tripod. Or...I could just forego the tripod to carry less weight and bring my 5DSR or R5 haha! When the M43 setup is trying to perform as well as full frame, it'll inevitably gain more weight. Whether that be in having to carry a tripod, or the manufacturers making bigger bodies and lenses to cram more performance in. But this practice can often times lead to an M43 setup that's heavier than full frame, while still performing below it. It's sad to see.

 

[HicHic]

Perhaps HicHic will make the raws available for us to play with?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19oSB7LL6J6IL0nqArrTbgEnLeo8zyixF?usp=sharing

Thanks! I'll play and post. Would it be too much to ask for the 50mb 5DSR raw as well?

How goes the processing?

 

[knickerhawk]

Perhaps HicHic will make the raws available for us to play with?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19oSB7LL6J6IL0nqArrTbgEnLeo8zyixF?usp=sharing

Thanks! I'll play and post. Would it be too much to ask for the 50mb 5DSR raw as well?

How goes the processing?

Actually I was more interested in investigating the 5DSR version since it appears to be picking up some moire that's not visible in the other versions. Below is a crop/resize comparable to your rendering of the OM1 HHHR shot. I used ACR+PS to produce what I think is a rendering that tries to balance deblurring by means of sharpening vs. unwanted halos:

 

[HicHic]

Perhaps HicHic will make the raws available for us to play with?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19oSB7LL6J6IL0nqArrTbgEnLeo8zyixF?usp=sharing

Thanks! I'll play and post. Would it be too much to ask for the 50mb 5DSR raw as well?

How goes the processing?

Actually I was more interested in investigating the 5DSR version since it appears to be picking up some moire that's not visible in the other versions. Below is a crop/resize comparable to your rendering of the OM1 HHHR shot. I used ACR+PS to produce what I think is a rendering that tries to balance deblurring by means of sharpening vs. unwanted halos:

Oh yeah it does, maybe because it has the cancel filter.

 

[ardohy]

Perhaps HicHic will make the raws available for us to play with?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19oSB7LL6J6IL0nqArrTbgEnLeo8zyixF?usp=sharing

Thanks! I'll play and post. Would it be too much to ask for the 50mb 5DSR raw as well?

How goes the processing?

Actually I was more interested in investigating the 5DSR version since it appears to be picking up some moire that's not visible in the other versions.

For some reason there are no full frame images in the folder to download. This is strange as the entire premise was his comparison to 50mp bodies. Come to think of it, there is no EXIF data from the 50mp bodies in the initial post. They are 0.1mp labeled as "5DSR" or "R5".

 

[HicHic]

Perhaps HicHic will make the raws available for us to play with?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19oSB7LL6J6IL0nqArrTbgEnLeo8zyixF?usp=sharing

Thanks! I'll play and post. Would it be too much to ask for the 50mb 5DSR raw as well?

How goes the processing?

Actually I was more interested in investigating the 5DSR version since it appears to be picking up some moire that's not visible in the other versions.

For some reason there are no full frame images in the folder to download. This is strange as the entire premise was his comparison to 50mp bodies. Come to think of it, there is no EXIF data from the 50mp bodies in the initial post. They are 0.1mp labeled as "5DSR" or "R5".

That is very strange.

 

[Bobapingu]

I’ve been using HHHR a lot since the OM-1 made it so fast. It’s def helpful. But I’ve gotten out of the habit of carrying my tripods, so had mostly forgotten how much the tripod mode helps. I’d used it a lot in the past and will be using it more on an upcoming trip.

Yeah, I use HHHR a lot too. This test is a good reminder of how much more gains can be had with a tripod. Or...I could just forego the tripod to carry less weight and bring my 5DSR or R5 haha! When the M43 setup is trying to perform as well as full frame, it'll inevitably gain more weight. Whether that be in having to carry a tripod, or the manufacturers making bigger bodies and lenses to cram more performance in. But this practice can often times lead to an M43 setup that's heavier than full frame, while still performing below it. It's sad to see.

Sad indeed but that's the trade-off. M4/3 can do landscapes but its forte lies elsewhere.