Pixii full frame digital rangefinder for M lenses

[Heritage Cameras]

The Pixii Max is a New M-Mount, Full-Frame, Digital Rangefinder | PetaPixel

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Dave, HCL

 

[photosse]

The Pixii Max is a New M-Mount, Full-Frame, Digital Rangefinder | PetaPixel

Thanks for the news,

being French, I would have liked to like it,

but I would have preferred an FF Epson RD-2 ...

 

[David Kieltyka]

I'd love to try out the Pixii's monochrome mode. I gather it mathematically adjusts the gain of red- and blue-filtered photosites to balance out with the green photosites. In principle this oughta work well.

I also wouldn't object to having a Raw processor capable of doing the same thing.

-Dave-

 

[Heritage Cameras]

I'd love to try out the Pixii's monochrome mode. I gather it mathematically adjusts the gain of red- and blue-filtered photosites to balance out with the green photosites. In principle this oughta work well.

It sounds intriguing, but I haven't seen any reviews that demonstrate the difference.

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Dave, HCL

 

[Shooters on My Squad]

The Pixii cameras are interesting, but every time I am on their website, I look at them, find them intriguing, check their prices, and then just close all tabs.

Why wouldn’t you get a Leica in the first place? This one will be about $5,000, so if you can afford a Pixii you most probably can also afford a Leica camera. And the Pixii has just 24 megapixels (which is plenty, but pretty low compared to a M11). The viewfinder on the Leica seems to be nicer, too.

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You are talking to crazy. With too many cameras.

 

[noirdesir]

I'd love to try out the Pixii's monochrome mode. I gather it mathematically adjusts the gain of red- and blue-filtered photosites to balance out with the green photosites. In principle this oughta work well.

I also wouldn't object to having a Raw processor capable of doing the same thing.

This is just a de-mosaic process optimised for B&W. Nothing a raw converter cannot offer either. They both start with the same raw data (minus some minor differences).

What does a classic de-mosaic process for Bayer sensors do? It interpolates how much green and red light a ‘blue pixel’ has received (and so on). And once you inferred how much a green and red light a ‘blue pixel’ has received, you know how much luminosity it has received.



This is basically a 16-bit B&W tiff (with a relatively flat tone curve). Better than an 8-bit jpeg all other cameras offer.

 

[Franz Kerschbaum]

A EVF only version of the Pixii would also be a nice option and offer something new (would love a "Q" form factor body that can mount M lenses)

 

[David Kieltyka]

I'd love to try out the Pixii's monochrome mode. I gather it mathematically adjusts the gain of red- and blue-filtered photosites to balance out with the green photosites. In principle this oughta work well.

I also wouldn't object to having a Raw processor capable of doing the same thing.

This is just a de-mosaic process optimised for B&W. Nothing a raw converter cannot offer either. They both start with the same raw data (minus some minor differences).

What does a classic de-mosaic process for Bayer sensors do? It interpolates how much green and red light a ‘blue pixel’ has received (and so on). And once you inferred how much a green and red light a ‘blue pixel’ has received, you know how much luminosity it has received.

As I understand it the Pixii monochrome process is more than just standard interpolation. Though I imagine there's an interpolation step too since red & blue filters aren't simply stronger or weaker green filters.

I don't know of any Raw processor that creates a b&w image without first creating a demosaiced color image. Lotsa b&w photogs wouldn't in fact have it any other way.

-Dave-

 

[SafariBob]

A EVF only version of the Pixii would also be a nice option and offer something new (would love a "Q" form factor body that can mount M lenses)

Lol

 

[Zephir 750]

Considering the rumoured/expected price tag I'd rather buy a Leica.

 

[SafariBob]

The Pixii cameras are interesting, but every time I am on their website, I look at them, find them intriguing,

Yes, I like them too.

check their prices, and then just close all tabs.

Why wouldn’t you get a Leica in the first place? This one will be about $5,000,

I imagine it would be sub $4k, given VAT and EU rules. Could be 3599 for example.

so if you can afford a Pixii you most probably can also afford a Leica camera.

I guess a used one. But at some point, there will be used Pixii's as well. Love that they bring the bodies forward.

And the Pixii has just 24 megapixels (which is plenty, but pretty low compared to a M11).

I think 24mp is sufficient for most types of photography, including manual rangefinders, but I also think the 61mp sensors give nicer output than the 24mp ones. I never loved the 40mp sensors.

The viewfinder on the Leica seems to be nicer, too.

Ok. I have never handled a pixii. so no idea. But outwardly, I prefer the design, it is a bit more unrestrained. Simplistic in a natural way.

Ultimately, I feel the next version could be the one to watch. The whole concept seems amazing, and a bit of refinement, maybe add video, not sure about ibis, but consider a monochrome version unless their process gives some unique value. Maybe a 61mp RGBW could be the best of both worlds.

 

[Charles2]

The Pixii Max with 32GB built-in memory option is now available for pre-order. B&H accepts pre-orders, quoting $4,500. Plus tax. That is cheaper than you are likely to find a used M10, still a high hurdle for most of us.
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1840635-REG/pixii_pixii_max_a3410_32_mb_max_rangefinder_camera_32gb.html

 

[Shooters on My Squad]

The Pixii Max with 32GB built-in memory option is now available for pre-order. B&H accepts pre-orders, quoting $4,500. Plus tax. That is cheaper than you are likely to find a used M10, still a high hurdle for most of us.
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1840635-REG/pixii_pixii_max_a3410_32_mb_max_rangefinder_camera_32gb.html

There are many M10 bodies available online for about $4,000–4,200. When you look hard enough, you’ll find nice used bodies for $3,500–3,600.

I doubt they sell many of these, but I think they know better than me what they’re doing and as they most probably make a profit on every single one of them, and work “workshop-style” with a small staff, nobody is doomed here. They’ll stay in their niche and I wish them good luck.

As a camera enthusiast, no matter the brand, I would welcome some competition to Leica to mix things up a little bit, but this isn’t it (yet?)