Could the new 35mm f/1.4 Z be a repackaged Samyang 35mm f/1.4?

[MJ_Photo38]

We were discussing this with a friend and he was convinced the new Nikon lens is just a rebadged Samyang...

... after looking more closely, neither lenses have ED elements, or nano coating or anything, they're both the same focal length, sam aperture, about the same size and both have 11 elements in 9 groups.

Could it be a re-badged lens or is this just a coincidence?

 

[MrSteakface]

Both lenses have 11 elements in 9 groups, and that's where the similarities end. The actual optical designs are vastly different, you can take a look at the optical construction cutaways on both lenses to compare. The Samyang is also huge whereas the Nikon is rather compact. Not the same lens at all.

 

[Bruno Zarokian]

Absolutely not, totally different optics (check the schematics). Moreover, the Nikon Z 35f1.4 back lens is pretty much as recessed as it can be and very large (larger than the front lens!), so I doubt that this formula could even be adapted to any other ML mount (Nikon has the shortest flange distance and widest mount).

This is a highly unusual optical formula that probably makes the best use of the Z mount specificities.

 

[MJ_Photo38]

Thanks for the replies !

I was a little intrigued, thanks for clearing out my doubts. I was a little bit skeptical about Nikon using a Samyang design.

 

[MarkP1903]

Not unless they repackaged it into a Z lens shaped tardis….

 

[michaeladawson]

... after looking more closely, neither lenses have ED elements, or nano coating or anything, they're both the same focal length, sam aperture, about the same size and both have 11 elements in 9 groups.

That's like saying a Toyota Camry is a rebadged Nissan Maxima because you notice they both have four tires, an engine, a steering wheel, two front seats, a rear seat and are both about the same size.

 

[Kittemoth]

The idea that a 100+ year old premium Japanese lens maker would copy a budget upstart lens maker is pretty wild!

 

[George Paulides]

The idea that a 100+ year old premium Japanese lens maker would copy a budget upstart lens maker is pretty wild!

I do not think that the suggestion was that Nikon would copy the Samyang but rather that Samyang designed the lens for Nikon based on one of their models.

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[MJ_Photo38]

The idea that a 100+ year old premium Japanese lens maker would copy a budget upstart lens maker is pretty wild!

I do not think that the suggestion was that Nikon would copy the Samyang but rather that Samyang designed the lens for Nikon based on one of their models.

Also worth noting that there is two Nikon lenses currently that are rebadged and repackaged Tamron lenses.

Samyang has been around for a decent amount of years now, and they have proved that they can make quite sharp optics. So it's not totally out of the field of possibilities to me, even if it's a little odd.

 

[MJ_Photo38]

... after looking more closely, neither lenses have ED elements, or nano coating or anything, they're both the same focal length, sam aperture, about the same size and both have 11 elements in 9 groups.

That's like saying a Toyota Camry is a rebadged Nissan Maxima because you notice they both have four tires, an engine, a steering wheel, two front seats, a rear seat and are both about the same size.

I could have done without your condescendance.

 

[sirhawkeye64]

We were discussing this with a friend and he was convinced the new Nikon lens is just a rebadged Samyang...

... after looking more closely, neither lenses have ED elements, or nano coating or anything, they're both the same focal length, sam aperture, about the same size and both have 11 elements in 9 groups.

Could it be a re-badged lens or is this just a coincidence?

I was thinking a rebadged Tamron maybe since they do have a 35 1.4 for the E mount, and most lenses so far seems to be repackages of the E-mount (Sony) ML versions from Tamron. Would be interesting to see if someone could verify. Another post elsewhere on here seemed to suggest hat it might be a Nikon developed design as they had implied Nikon may have been working on this design for a while...?

(I haven't looked at the Tamron E-mount spec and compared yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a rebadged variant.)

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[Alberto Tanikawa]

We were discussing this with a friend and he was convinced the new Nikon lens is just a rebadged Samyang...

... after looking more closely, neither lenses have ED elements, or nano coating or anything, they're both the same focal length, sam aperture, about the same size and both have 11 elements in 9 groups.

Could it be a re-badged lens or is this just a coincidence?

I was thinking a rebadged Tamron maybe since they do have a 35 1.4 for the E mount, and most lenses so far seems to be repackages of the E-mount (Sony) ML versions from Tamron. Would be interesting to see if someone could verify. Another post elsewhere on here seemed to suggest hat it might be a Nikon developed design as they had implied Nikon may have been working on this design for a while...?

(I haven't looked at the Tamron E-mount spec and compared yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a rebadged variant.)

That Tamron is for F and EF mounts, the optical designs are different, and the Tamron is a much heavier lens. Not to mention the MTF charts and MSRP are also different.

 

[michaeladawson]

The idea that a 100+ year old premium Japanese lens maker would copy a budget upstart lens maker is pretty wild!

I do not think that the suggestion was that Nikon would copy the Samyang but rather that Samyang designed the lens for Nikon based on one of their models.

Also worth noting that there is two Nikon lenses currently that are rebadged and repackaged Tamron lenses.

Samyang has been around for a decent amount of years now, and they have proved that they can make quite sharp optics. So it's not totally out of the field of possibilities to me, even if it's a little odd.

True that Samyang has been around for a while. However, I seriously doubt that Japan would be using a Korean company for a partnership. So far they appear to have agreements with Tamron and Cosina, both respected Japanese companies.

 

[michaeladawson]

We were discussing this with a friend and he was convinced the new Nikon lens is just a rebadged Samyang...

... after looking more closely, neither lenses have ED elements, or nano coating or anything, they're both the same focal length, sam aperture, about the same size and both have 11 elements in 9 groups.

Could it be a re-badged lens or is this just a coincidence?

I was thinking a rebadged Tamron maybe since they do have a 35 1.4 for the E mount, and most lenses so far seems to be repackages of the E-mount (Sony) ML versions from Tamron. Would be interesting to see if someone could verify. Another post elsewhere on here seemed to suggest hat it might be a Nikon developed design as they had implied Nikon may have been working on this design for a while...?

They do? I see an f/2.8, but no f/1.4.

 

[MJ_Photo38]

We were discussing this with a friend and he was convinced the new Nikon lens is just a rebadged Samyang...

... after looking more closely, neither lenses have ED elements, or nano coating or anything, they're both the same focal length, sam aperture, about the same size and both have 11 elements in 9 groups.

Could it be a re-badged lens or is this just a coincidence?

I was thinking a rebadged Tamron maybe since they do have a 35 1.4 for the E mount, and most lenses so far seems to be repackages of the E-mount (Sony) ML versions from Tamron.

I made a search for it, only 35mm f/1.4 Tamron lens I've seen was a DSLR design. I know they have a 35mm f/2.8 for mirrorless Sony but that's obviously not the same lens.

Would be interesting to see if someone could verify. Another post elsewhere on here seemed to suggest hat it might be a Nikon developed design as they had implied Nikon may have been working on this design for a while...?

(I haven't looked at the Tamron E-mount spec and compared yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a rebadged variant.)

 

[sirhawkeye64]

We were discussing this with a friend and he was convinced the new Nikon lens is just a rebadged Samyang...

... after looking more closely, neither lenses have ED elements, or nano coating or anything, they're both the same focal length, sam aperture, about the same size and both have 11 elements in 9 groups.

Could it be a re-badged lens or is this just a coincidence?

I was thinking a rebadged Tamron maybe since they do have a 35 1.4 for the E mount, and most lenses so far seems to be repackages of the E-mount (Sony) ML versions from Tamron. Would be interesting to see if someone could verify. Another post elsewhere on here seemed to suggest hat it might be a Nikon developed design as they had implied Nikon may have been working on this design for a while...?

(I haven't looked at the Tamron E-mount spec and compared yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a rebadged variant.)

That Tamron is for F and EF mounts, the optical designs are different, and the Tamron is a much heavier lens. Not to mention the MTF charts and MSRP are also different.

OK I will looking at something else (Sigma) sorry, Although that one is a bit larger it seems.

 

[sirhawkeye64]

We were discussing this with a friend and he was convinced the new Nikon lens is just a rebadged Samyang...

... after looking more closely, neither lenses have ED elements, or nano coating or anything, they're both the same focal length, sam aperture, about the same size and both have 11 elements in 9 groups.

Could it be a re-badged lens or is this just a coincidence?

I was thinking a rebadged Tamron maybe since they do have a 35 1.4 for the E mount, and most lenses so far seems to be repackages of the E-mount (Sony) ML versions from Tamron. Would be interesting to see if someone could verify. Another post elsewhere on here seemed to suggest hat it might be a Nikon developed design as they had implied Nikon may have been working on this design for a while...?

They do? I see an f/2.8, but no f/1.4.

I was looking at the Sigma not the Tamron my mistake.

 

[sirhawkeye64]

We were discussing this with a friend and he was convinced the new Nikon lens is just a rebadged Samyang...

... after looking more closely, neither lenses have ED elements, or nano coating or anything, they're both the same focal length, sam aperture, about the same size and both have 11 elements in 9 groups.

Could it be a re-badged lens or is this just a coincidence?

I was thinking a rebadged Tamron maybe since they do have a 35 1.4 for the E mount, and most lenses so far seems to be repackages of the E-mount (Sony) ML versions from Tamron.

I made a search for it, only 35mm f/1.4 Tamron lens I've seen was a DSLR design. I know they have a 35mm f/2.8 for mirrorless Sony but that's obviously not the same lens.

Would be interesting to see if someone could verify. Another post elsewhere on here seemed to suggest hat it might be a Nikon developed design as they had implied Nikon may have been working on this design for a while...?

(I haven't looked at the Tamron E-mount spec and compared yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a rebadged variant.)

I was looking at the Sigma actually, not the Tamron, but it doesn't even look close anyway to what the Nikon 35 is (plus Sigma doesn't/can't make FF lenses for Z anyway, at least currently).

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[coolpeeks]

That Tamron is for F and EF mounts, the optical designs are different, and the Tamron is a much heavier lens. Not to mention the MTF charts and MSRP are also different.

OK I will looking at something else (Sigma) sorry, Although that one is a bit larger it seems.

I had the Sigma DG DN 1.4 and it's clearly not the same.

The optic formula for the Z 35/1.4 seems to be specific to the Z mount (as others have noted on this thread) with a large rear element, which sits very close to the sensor.

Something you just can't get on the Sony E mount.

 

[BasilG]

The idea that a 100+ year old premium Japanese lens maker would copy a budget upstart lens maker is pretty wild!

I do not think that the suggestion was that Nikon would copy the Samyang but rather that Samyang designed the lens for Nikon based on one of their models.

Also worth noting that there is two Nikon lenses currently that are rebadged and repackaged Tamron lenses.

Three.