58mm f1.4 G or jut get Z 50mm f1.8?

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I've thinking of getting that phenomenal 58G lens for a while, but started to wonder, after reading so many great reviews and opinions on Z50/1.8S, should I just get 50S and forget about 58G?

50S used will be cheaper and less hustle, as I would not have to use FTZ adapter, so lighter too.

50S is IQ perfection as said around, but 58G supposed to have that "magic".
What would you suggest?
 
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I have the 58 1.4G and the 50 1.8S. Also the 105 1.4G

For dreamy portraits I only use the 58 and 105.

The new lenses just don’t have the character of the other.
if you want dreamy bokeh and character just get the 58 1.4. it focuses great on mirrorless. If you want high resolution and hate CA and any imperfections… get a Z lens


most of my photos on my homepage - profile - Cosplay - are shot on the 58 and 105.
I have both and they are both excellent. You cannot go wrong with either. If you are looking for a creamy magic rendering go for the 58. If you need super sharp wide open the Z50 is a better option. The 58 is very sharp too closed down.

/Rolf
 
I have the 58 1.4G and the 50 1.8S. Also the 105 1.4G

For dreamy portraits I only use the 58 and 105.

The new lenses just don’t have the character of the other.
if you want dreamy bokeh and character just get the 58 1.4. it focuses great on mirrorless. If you want high resolution and hate CA and any imperfections… get a Z lens


most of my photos on my homepage - profile - Cosplay - are shot on the 58 and 105.
 
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I have the 58 1.4G and the 50 1.8S. Also the 105 1.4G

For dreamy portraits I only use the 58 and 105.

The new lenses just don’t have the character of the other.
if you want dreamy bokeh and character just get the 58 1.4. it focuses great on mirrorless. If you want high resolution and hate CA and any imperfections… get a Z lens

most of my photos on my homepage - profile - Cosplay - are shot on the 58 and 105.
Thanks, sounds good. What would you say about focal difference? Is is marginal between 50 and 58mm? Would I sue 58mm just same as I would 50mm or is it huge difference? For example for me 35mm and 40mm is almost the same, but 40 vs 50mm is I can feel the difference.
 
I've thinking of getting that phenomenal 58G lens for a while, but started to wonder, after reading so many great reviews and opinions on Z50/1.8S, should I just get 50S and forget about 58G?

50S used will be cheaper and less hustle, as I would not have to use FTZ adapter, so lighter too.

50S is IQ perfection as said around, but 58G supposed to have that "magic".
What would you suggest?
They are quite different lenses so it really comes to personal preference.

I’ll warn that it takes a bit of time to get the best out of the 58G. It behaves differently close up vs mid distance vs infinity, wide open vs a stop down vs well stopped down.

AF is also a hassle, less so on Z’s but still not perfect. But if you hit dead on it’s very good.

You can sometimes get the background to swirl, other times no. There’s a wave like focus plane that flattens as you focus towards infinity.

Lots to discover. But if you’re not willing/don’t have the time to explore the lens, go with the 50mm f/1.8 S.
 
I've thinking of getting that phenomenal 58G lens for a while, but started to wonder, after reading so many great reviews and opinions on Z50/1.8S, should I just get 50S and forget about 58G?

50S used will be cheaper and less hustle, as I would not have to use FTZ adapter, so lighter too.

50S is IQ perfection as said around, but 58G supposed to have that "magic".
What would you suggest?
One more thing to mention - 50/1.8S can be bought for £400, when 58G is around £700...

Also, now when Nikon released new 35/1.4, there is a chance to get more 1.4 in series.

Looking at photos from new 35/1.4, it gives those imperfect bokeh balls like other old classic lens, so maybe even new Z 50/1.4 if released, could be the lens for me. But then, I also have Nikon 40/2 SE which I like, so 50/1.8 would be pretty close to it, even if performs better.
 
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Entirely different beasts.

I have both and wouldn't be without either of them.
 
I have the 58 1.4G and the 50 1.8S. Also the 105 1.4G

For dreamy portraits I only use the 58 and 105.

The new lenses just don’t have the character of the other.
if you want dreamy bokeh and character just get the 58 1.4. it focuses great on mirrorless. If you want high resolution and hate CA and any imperfections… get a Z lens

most of my photos on my homepage - profile - Cosplay - are shot on the 58 and 105.
Thanks, sounds good. What would you say about focal difference? Is is marginal between 50 and 58mm? Would I sue 58mm just same as I would 50mm or is it huge difference? For example for me 35mm and 40mm is almost the same, but 40 vs 50mm is I can feel the difference.
Hi,

focal length is slightly different. But it’s similar. Definitely different as you said to 35.

But I prefer the 58 because - less distorted faces. More 3d bokeh for full body shots etc …
 
Comparing focal lengths, 50 vs 58

Set your 24-70 to 58mm and put some tape on the zoom ring to keep it there.

Go shoot a session, then switch to 50mm and shoot some more.

That's what I did when I was deciding between 35mm and 50mm primes. Those sessions were way better for deciding, since I could start seeing scenes that fit the current focal length just by eye, then check the details of the shots later.

I liked the 50mm slight telephoto compression, so I got the Z 50mm 1.8.
 
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I have the 58 1.4G and the 50 1.8S. Also the 105 1.4G

For dreamy portraits I only use the 58 and 105.

The new lenses just don’t have the character of the other.
if you want dreamy bokeh and character just get the 58 1.4. it focuses great on mirrorless. If you want high resolution and hate CA and any imperfections… get a Z lens

most of my photos on my homepage - profile - Cosplay - are shot on the 58 and 105.
Thanks, sounds good. What would you say about focal difference? Is is marginal between 50 and 58mm? Would I sue 58mm just same as I would 50mm or is it huge difference? For example for me 35mm and 40mm is almost the same, but 40 vs 50mm is I can feel the difference.
I would say its maybe getting a bit more out of "general purpose" lens towards more specific "subject lens" but honestly that seems well suited to the character of the lens to me and does of course mean you get a bit more DOF control from the same shooting position.

General purpose, sharpness and best AF I'd get the 50mm 1.8, portraits I'd consider the 58mm 1.4 although to be fair I think its pretty sharp all around stopped down to F/8 as well.
 
Two totally different rendering lenses; I think you'd want to rent to see what suits your desires.

If you primarily shoot people, then you can consider the 58/1.4G. If you don't, no.

And if you're considering the 58/1.4G, get the 50/1.2S instead - a better lens that still has magic/character at portrait apertures and portrait distances without the flaws of the 58.
 
While surely sharper, I didn’t find the bokeh as nice, soft, or interesting as the 58 1.4G

in quite many photos I find the bokeh balls of the 50 1.2 too defined with a clean hard edge. When I don’t want that at all. It’s too noticeable for me. While on the 58 1.4 it blends more together. And I prefer the falloff and separation on the 58.

Thats from comparing my own 58 shots and the image threads on other forums from the 50 and 58 …

just my taste

edit: imo the 58 is a must try for you if you don’t vibe with it you can sell it again

it’s just a special one of a kind lens for portraits
 
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I have the 58 1.4G and the 50 1.8S. Also the 105 1.4G

For dreamy portraits I only use the 58 and 105.

The new lenses just don’t have the character of the other.
if you want dreamy bokeh and character just get the 58 1.4. it focuses great on mirrorless. If you want high resolution and hate CA and any imperfections… get a Z lens

most of my photos on my homepage - profile - Cosplay - are shot on the 58 and 105.
Thanks, sounds good. What would you say about focal difference? Is is marginal between 50 and 58mm? Would I sue 58mm just same as I would 50mm or is it huge difference? For example for me 35mm and 40mm is almost the same, but 40 vs 50mm is I can feel the difference.
For me, the 58mm lens is like a wide angle 85mm so I really like it for portraits in a setting. The wonderful out of focus characteristics allow some environmental information without drawing too much attention away from the portrait subject. On the other hand a 50mm lens needs to be much faster to easily do this, like the 50mm f1.2.
 
I had both for awhile, but I ended up preferring the 50F1.8S. The 58F1.4G certainly produces beautiful bokeh wide open, but I also felt like the 50F1.8S produced a better "pop" wide open. I think just the extreme sharpness of the 50 makes the transition to to out of focus very nice in my eyes. The 58, just is always soft wide open so I always felt like I was missing focus.



At any rate, this is probably a scenario where it's best to jump on Flickr and compare sample images for yourself as it's very subjective.



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I've thinking of getting that phenomenal 58G lens for a while, but started to wonder, after reading so many great reviews and opinions on Z50/1.8S, should I just get 50S and forget about 58G?

50S used will be cheaper and less hustle, as I would not have to use FTZ adapter, so lighter too.

50S is IQ perfection as said around, but 58G supposed to have that "magic".
What would you suggest?
I sent you a link to some of my 58 1.4 photos in full res to check out.
 
I don't have the Z lens hence cannot compare. But one thing to bear in mind is that the 58mm has a slightly longer focal length and in terms of imaging, this has an impact. It results in better bokeh than the slightly wider 50mm lens.

If you pixel peep at close distances then almost certainly the Z lens will be sharper I think. At distances maybe this is not going to be a factor. The 58mm lens does not have a floating focusing system.

The other factor to consider is that the 58mm is quite pricey even though its a very simple design.
 
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Well, I've shot both, and currently own the 50/1.2S, and strongly disagree. If I had any use for the 58G, I would have bought it, but it didn't pass muster, so to speak.

I don't judge lenses from other peoples images online - that doesn't work for me. I actually shoot them. Rare concept in these days where everyone wants to be an expert from looking at compressed jpegs with who-knows-what post processing applied on a site somewhere, but that's me.

That's not to say some folks might prefer the 58G though.

Here's my take, longer....

Both lenses are "statement" designs from their respective designer, so neither was a casual effort or something rushed out. Both designers are senior, and these may be their last "big" designs. I haven't seen either Sato (58G) or Harada (50/1.2S) on any patents as the primary designer since those lenses, which is telling. Neither are youngsters.

In lens design, there are always tradeoffs, and there is aberration balancing going on as the designer might be "tuning" the lens towards specific tasks. Both of these lenses definitely have "portrait tuning" in them, which in basic terms means that high frequency MTF structure resolution (very very fine detail) is held back, on purpose, in the closer portrait distance ranges. At distance, this behavior does not occur. So what that means is a few things: the lenses won't be the winner of the test chart battle since test charts are often done in closer distances, yet the lenses will often be quite nice for portraiture use. A tradeoff was made in the design to sacrifice one thing to gain another, and it's often in the handling of how spherical aberration is corrected, although that's too simplistic - it's a bunch of things in the aberration balancing that cause "the look".

So within that concept, we have to remember the era of the resolution of the bodies at the time the lens was designed. This is IMO important, because it means that a lens that is finely tuned/balanced in a medium resolution era (the 58G) might *not* be a perfect match for a higher resolution body in some things. The 50/1.2S was designed within the current era, and thus IMO is a better match for the higher resolution bodies. We can't discount this - the more a lens deviates from a strictly engineering "make it sharp" without tuning towards a task, the more important the matching/marriage to the resolution of the body might be for some users. I personally think that most folks who really fall for the 58F fall into the category of portrait shooters whose image quality standards don't lend to larger prints, who shoot medium resolution bodies (A DF or a 24mp body or some sort), and who don't shoot studio or anything where rendition of textures and hair most accurately is important. And that's a whole lot of photographers, possibly including you. But at the same time, some of us (myself included) want a lens whose balancing, even in the portrait tuning end of things, works better with a D850 or Z8, and the 58G falls a bit short. In other words, it's tuning was perhaps "right" for a DF or Z6, but not for a Z8.

The 50/1.2S has
  • Better front bokeh, reasonably equivalent back bokeh
  • Equal OOF transitions
  • While still being portrait tuned, it's more acceptable on higher rez bodies
  • Far less CA, which means images are more natural, and skin looks more real because the subtle color change from the impact of axial CA as you drift out of focus is less.
  • Better performance at distance - even though the 58G is quite good at distance, the 50/1.2S is *reference* quality at distance.
I can see some folks liking the flaws of the 58G, and I get it - if I shot more video, I could see owning the lens for some things, but overall I'm getting tired of the look - I think the 58G is a one-trick-pony look and I've seen it too much now. Might be a very "good" luck and a well done look, but I'm beyond it. I value honesty and natural representation of the subject quite highly, and personally prefer lenses with excellent CA control, so it's no surprise I don't care for the 58G much for what I do.

But I get it - some folks might. I just can't universally recommend it, particularly if I don't know if the person is primarily a portrait shooter or not.
 
Comparing focal lengths, 50 vs 58

Set your 24-70 to 58mm and put some tape on the zoom ring to keep it there.

Go shoot a session, then switch to 50mm and shoot some more.

That's what I did when I was deciding between 35mm and 50mm primes. Those sessions were way better for deciding, since I could start seeing scenes that fit the current focal length just by eye, then check the details of the shots later.

I liked the 50mm slight telephoto compression, so I got the Z 50mm 1.8.
Ha, this is what I'm doing just now! I thought I could use my zoom to check how I would be feeling with this 58 focal :)
 
Two totally different rendering lenses; I think you'd want to rent to see what suits your desires.

If you primarily shoot people, then you can consider the 58/1.4G. If you don't, no.

And if you're considering the 58/1.4G, get the 50/1.2S instead - a better lens that still has magic/character at portrait apertures and portrait distances without the flaws of the 58.
I shoot more travel, environmental portraits, than just portraits. I'm not a photographer, I'm just a family guy :)

I do travel photography with my family, so strictly portraits are maybe 5% of my photos, then 80% travel/trip, 5% food and then... all my cat photos :D
 
While surely sharper, I didn’t find the bokeh as nice, soft, or interesting as the 58 1.4G

in quite many photos I find the bokeh balls of the 50 1.2 too defined with a clean hard edge. When I don’t want that at all. It’s too noticeable for me. While on the 58 1.4 it blends more together. And I prefer the falloff and separation on the 58.

Thats from comparing my own 58 shots and the image threads on other forums from the 50 and 58 …

just my taste

edit: imo the 58 is a must try for you if you don’t vibe with it you can sell it again

it’s just a special one of a kind lens for portraits
Yeah, I think after I "dry-try" 58mm focal length on my zoom, then I guess is best to hunt one 58G down and try it myself. If not my thing, just sell it, shouldn't lose money on it when bought used.
 

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