Canon just announced the R1 dev.

[J A C S]

https://www.usa.canon.com/cameras/dev-announce

Noise Reduction baked in oh oh - well at least they are admitting they are doing that now.

There is nothing there suggesting that it is baked-in. NR has been available as an option for ages for JPEGs.

 

[PicPocket]

At last. . . It looks quite pretty, doesn’t it?

But Canon doesn’t really tell us much. There’s that line about ‘field testing’ it (some to be handed out in Paris, presumably?) which presumably means they’ve got some prototypes ready.

But not production models? They’re ‘aiming for a 2024 release’. . .which sounds like hedging their bets a bit. And it does leave open the possibility it might not really be available until early 2025. I wonder if the later rumours about them running into problems had some truth to them after all? And maybe some suspicions thar this is actually an ‘R1 mkii’ or even an ‘R1 mkiii’ were correct?

They’re really isn’t anything in the way of actual specifications; whether any will leak out in June or July we’ll have to see, but I suspect anyone who gets one in their hands in June/July will also have to have signed a stiff NDA, so we’ll no doubt get more months of speculation and guesswork from the rumour sites. . .

I’m sure this will enthuse a lot of Canon owners who’ll be performing sacrifices to the gods in gratitude that this thing’s actually real at last—three years after it was first thought to be coming—but I don’t know if a ‘development announcement’ like this really cuts it in 2024.

I wonder if Canon got so fed up with the endless speculation and guesswork—let alone people wondering if it would ever arrive—that their hand was forced a bit?

Or, they just do what they do before every 1 series release. This is from 2019 - https://global.canon/en/news/2019/20191024.html

This doesn't work in 2024 is just a cliche people keep throwing around. We have nothing to suggest this is detrimental in any way. It's their business model and they think it would work, that is why they do it.

I can only assume either people haven't been around these product cycles long enough, or the collective average memory is very short here

Also, these dev announcements only happen for high end cameras. They likely won't have a prelude to R5 successor announcement. It will just be announced with full specs on the go

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PicPocket

 

[Quarkcharmed]

At last. . . It looks quite pretty, doesn’t it?

But Canon doesn’t really tell us much. There’s that line about ‘field testing’ it (some to be handed out in Paris, presumably?) which presumably means they’ve got some prototypes ready.

But not production models? They’re ‘aiming for a 2024 release’. . .which sounds like hedging their bets a bit. And it does leave open the possibility it might not really be available until early 2025. I wonder if the later rumours about them running into problems had some truth to them after all? And maybe some suspicions thar this is actually an ‘R1 mkii’ or even an ‘R1 mkiii’ were correct?

They’re really isn’t anything in the way of actual specifications; whether any will leak out in June or July we’ll have to see, but I suspect anyone who gets one in their hands in June/July will also have to have signed a stiff NDA, so we’ll no doubt get more months of speculation and guesswork from the rumour sites. . .

I’m sure this will enthuse a lot of Canon owners who’ll be performing sacrifices to the gods in gratitude that this thing’s actually real at last—three years after it was first thought to be coming—but I don’t know if a ‘development announcement’ like this really cuts it in 2024.

I wonder if Canon got so fed up with the endless speculation and guesswork—let alone people wondering if it would ever arrive—that their hand was forced a bit?

Or, they just do what they do before every 1 series release. This is from 2019 - https://global.canon/en/news/2019/20191024.html

This doesn't work in 2024 is just a cliche people keep throwing around. We have nothing to suggest this is detrimental in any way. It's their business model and they think it would work, that is why they do it.

I can only assume either people haven't been around these product cycles long enough, or the collective average memory is very short here

Also, these dev announcements only happen for high end cameras. They likely won't have a prelude to R5 successor announcement. It will just be announced with full specs on the go

Interestingly, they did the development announcement for the R5. I just found it.

https://www.canon.com.au/about-canon/news-and-press-releases/canon-announces-development-of-the-eos-r5

But it was a major shift from DSLRs to mirrorless. There's no guarantee they'll do the development announcement fort the R5II.

 

[PicPocket]

At last. . . It looks quite pretty, doesn’t it?

But Canon doesn’t really tell us much. There’s that line about ‘field testing’ it (some to be handed out in Paris, presumably?) which presumably means they’ve got some prototypes ready.

But not production models? They’re ‘aiming for a 2024 release’. . .which sounds like hedging their bets a bit. And it does leave open the possibility it might not really be available until early 2025. I wonder if the later rumours about them running into problems had some truth to them after all? And maybe some suspicions thar this is actually an ‘R1 mkii’ or even an ‘R1 mkiii’ were correct?

They’re really isn’t anything in the way of actual specifications; whether any will leak out in June or July we’ll have to see, but I suspect anyone who gets one in their hands in June/July will also have to have signed a stiff NDA, so we’ll no doubt get more months of speculation and guesswork from the rumour sites. . .

I’m sure this will enthuse a lot of Canon owners who’ll be performing sacrifices to the gods in gratitude that this thing’s actually real at last—three years after it was first thought to be coming—but I don’t know if a ‘development announcement’ like this really cuts it in 2024.

I wonder if Canon got so fed up with the endless speculation and guesswork—let alone people wondering if it would ever arrive—that their hand was forced a bit?

Or, they just do what they do before every 1 series release. This is from 2019 - https://global.canon/en/news/2019/20191024.html

This doesn't work in 2024 is just a cliche people keep throwing around. We have nothing to suggest this is detrimental in any way. It's their business model and they think it would work, that is why they do it.

I can only assume either people haven't been around these product cycles long enough, or the collective average memory is very short here

Also, these dev announcements only happen for high end cameras. They likely won't have a prelude to R5 successor announcement. It will just be announced with full specs on the go

Interestingly, they did the development announcement for the R5. I just found it.

https://www.canon.com.au/about-cano...ses/canon-announces-development-of-the-eos-r5

But it was a major shift from DSLRs to mirrorless. There's no guarantee they'll do the development announcement fort the R5II.

Interesting indeed. I do not recall seeing it, which is odd since I have been waiting to upgrade my 5D iv around that time and was holding off not wanting to switch to R at that time. I bought R5 at launch in Aug 2020, so I must have crawled under a rock when this happened

Anyway, I won't be too surprised either way. My point was Canon does do these dev announcements for big stuff, and as you say, they perhaps did consider R5 as big at that time

I was more used to pro user showcases they used to do for 5 series bodies - like Philip Bloom doing for 5D II. They also did that for R3 with someone I think, some sports photographer if I remember

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PicPocket

 

[RDKirk]

"In moments during a sports game when it is difficult to predict what will happen next, this function automatically determines the player performing a certain action, such as shooting a ball, as the main subject and instantly shifts the AF frame, thereby helping to capture decisive moments of gameplay."

 

[JustUs7]

I suspect the fancier AI noise reduction will be a jpeg enhancement that is meant for the target audience of sports shooters and news media that have to get their images posted prior to the conclusion of the event.



What’s amazing to me with these newer and newer cameras. These cameras never miss, and you can shoot more volume faster than ever - so now you have thousands of perfect pictures to choose from!

Compared to the days of higher frame rates and larger buffers so you can sift through and pick out the handful of great images.

 

[vtpeters]

Although I'm all into the Nikon Z system, I'm also curious about what the competition is doing.

Remember though, this is a development announcement. Not an announcement of the actual release of the R1.

The Paris 2024 Olympics are held from July 26 to August 11 (I was in Paris last week for a short holiday and saw some of the event locations under construction). If the R1 is going to be at the coming Olympics, it'll be a pre-production model being tested in the field by various press photographers. It might take a while before it's available at camera stores around the world.

 

[PicPocket]

Compared to the days of higher frame rates and larger buffers so you can sift through and pick out the handful of great images.

Since they are already getting features that would AF based on what the subject is doing, we are almost where the handful of candidates can also be narrowed down to by some algorithm. You shoot at fastest rate possible and get presented with the best X images from the busrt to go through. Someone will be coming for that assistants job soon

 

[justmeMN]

Very odd announcement. It's a whole lot of nothing.

Not odd, just a "teaser". The details will be revealed when it is officially launched.

 

[BirdShooter7]

Canon implements the image noise reduction function, which has been previously developed and improved as part of the software for PCs, as a camera function to further improve image quality and contribute to user creativity."

Still eager to hear what you think they are admitting to here? That something that was not done in camera before will now be available in camera? Or did you make some far fetched deductions that they haven't actually said above?

To me, the wording seems clear. Until now people have been using PC software for noise reduction, but the R1 will aim to do that well in-camera to improve SOOC shots and make further software adjustments less necessary.

Regarding other points that people have made, it was clear with the R3 launch that it was the best they could do at that time, and was not a 1-series replacement, more as an interim step.

But it was pretty close, and I wonder if we will ever see an R3 Mark II? Maybe not. If we do, would it be smaller, like the EOS 3 compared with the EOS 1V?

I get a feeling that Canon are not where they want to be with the R1 in terms of timing, they are behind where they were at this stage with the R3 four years ago.

It will be interesting to see the megapixel count. Maybe it will leak out with the Olympics, as it did with the R3, but maybe not this time.

I’d be very surprised if it’s less than 45

 

[justmeMN]

It will be interesting to see the megapixel count. Maybe it will leak out with the Olympics, as it did with the R3, but maybe not this time.

I’d be very surprised if it’s less than 45

Sony's most recently released sports camera is only 24MP. It's a safe bet that Canon will do better than that.

 

[BirdShooter7]

It will be interesting to see the megapixel count. Maybe it will leak out with the Olympics, as it did with the R3, but maybe not this time.

I’d be very surprised if it’s less than 45

Sony's most recently released sports camera is only 24MP. It's a safe bet that Canon will do better than that.

If 24MP was enough for your flagship when the competition is 50 and 45 then the R3 would have been the R1 and we’d now be waiting on the R1 mk2. My money’s on the R1 being 45MP or more.

 

[da7329]

Electronic shutter only!?

DA

 

[BBR5]

Adorama lists a few specs, with some level of error (says FF sensor in one place and APS-c in another).

 

[PicPocket]

Adorama lists a few specs, with some level of error (says FF sensor in one place and APS-c in another).

That's some level of error

Maybe they are hedging, it has to be one of those

 

[JohnSil]

Adorama lists a few specs, with some level of error (says FF sensor in one place and APS-c in another).

That's some level of error

Maybe they are hedging, it has to be one of those

It might also simply mean it will shoot in crop mode and/or use crop lenses?

John

 

[PicPocket]

Adorama lists a few specs, with some level of error (says FF sensor in one place and APS-c in another).

That's some level of error

Maybe they are hedging, it has to be one of those

It might also simply mean it will shoot in crop mode and/or use crop lenses?

That would make perfect sense

 

[JohnSil]

https://www.usa.canon.com/cameras/dev-announce

The video also said that Canon is announcing the FIRST FLAGSHIP of the R series.

Going back to the flagship conversation of a month ago where the Europeans have ads calling the R3 or R5(don't remember which) a flagship camera. This kinda dispels that, or at least what they're thinking at Canon in Japan?!?

John

 

[justmeMN]

The video also said that Canon is announcing the FIRST FLAGSHIP of the R series.

That's right. Canon's top executives always made it clear that the R3 wasn't their flagship. The R1 goes at the top of the pyramid.

"we believe that in order to bestow an RF camera with the “1” model designation, we must achieve an even greater level of performance [than R3], and we continue to work towards reaching those high standards." - 2021

- Go Tokura, Chief Executive, Image Communication Business Operations at Canon.


Source: Canon

 

[PicPocket]

https://www.usa.canon.com/cameras/dev-announce

The video also said that Canon is announcing the FIRST FLAGSHIP of the R series.

Going back to the flagship conversation of a month ago where the Europeans have ads calling the R3 or R5(don't remember which) a flagship camera. This kinda dispels that, or at least what they're thinking at Canon in Japan?!?

I don't think this was there to dispel, irrespective of what people feel about it. Canon has said on record that R3 is not their flagship as far back as 2021 after R3 was announced. It was an interview with someone at Canon if I recall correctly.