Z8, no 5:4 or 4:3 ratio options?

[alphaZ]

Am I correct in thinking Nikon didn't include the 5:4 ratio of the Z7ii in Z9/Z8 and there still is no 4:3 ratio?

Thanks,

 

[BrassGlass]

Are you talking about the image area or grid options? Looking at my Z8, there's a 5:4 grid for framing you can display, but no option to native capture in that aspect ration. Neither option has 4:3 as a choice though.

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[alphaZ]

Are you talking about the image area or grid options? Looking at my Z8, there's a 5:4 grid for framing you can display, but no option to native capture in that aspect ration. Neither option has 4:3 as a choice though.

Thanks, so a framing grid, I'll check that out, still can't believe they don't have 4:3 framing/crop option

 

[musicshootr]

This is how I found out the Zf has no 4:3 either. Why, Nikon? (for context I do not own one but have been considering purchasing one and I thought 4:3 would be included, unlike on Fuji cameras)

 

[alphaZ]

This is how I found out the Zf has no 4:3 either. Why, Nikon? (for context I do not own one but have been considering purchasing one and I thought 4:3 would be included, unlike on Fuji cameras)

Well, I don't know if its the same on the Zf as the Z8 but that camera has something called framing lines, seems to be similar to what Sony have recently added to the a7cr, ratio overlays, and actually it works really well. Thing is, what Nikon have done is add a few ratio overlays on the video set-up and some others on the stills, whereas what they need is the same ratio overlays for both video and stills, eg 4:3 ratio is on the video overlay lol and 5:4 is on the stills, ok, that's cool but why no 4:3 or any of the others available on the video setting, the mind boggles with camera companies!

Anyway, check this out to see if its on the Zf setting somewhere too?

How to Display the Framing Grid on the Nikon Z8

Turning on the framing grids on the viewfinder or back screen display of the Nikon Z8 isn't as intuitive as it could be. Here's how to do it.

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[musicshootr]

I'm not sure about the available frame lines, but I did check the manual and the DPReview review, and 4:3 is unavailable as an aspect ratio to shoot in on the Zf, which is a huge bummer. I greatly prefer 4:3 to 3:2, and having to drop everything into Lightroom just to crop is a dumb step I would prefer to skip.

 

[alphaZ]

I'm not sure about the available frame lines, but I did check the manual and the DPReview review, and 4:3 is unavailable as an aspect ratio to shoot in on the Zf, which is a huge bummer. I greatly prefer 4:3 to 3:2, and having to drop everything into Lightroom just to crop is a dumb step I would prefer to skip.

Yes, even with the frame lines, its just a visual indication, the image is not cropped

I prefer where the camera crops the jpg but not the raw, but in Lr it crops in raw automatically to the ratio selected and allows you to uncover the full raw if you want!

But what I want to see is as many ratios as possible, including yes 4:3/5:4 and as many of the horizontal crops as possible too. I am not sure why camera companies are so slow and difficult with implementing these options. They seem to know what to do, but just don't want to offer it.

 

[musicshootr]

It's wild to me, because I'm coming from the Canon M50, and new cameras have fully surpassed it in so many ways (dynamic range, 4K detail, weather sealing, lens availability, IBIS) but they stumble on the dumbest things that would be so simple to do in firmware or code (aspect ratios, mobile apps, which work great with my M50). It's baffling. Companies will spend years tweaking a picture profile to save you from editing your JPEGs but not let you crop in-camera. Wild.

 

[jlafferty]

I personally want nothing to do with mobile apps or in camera cropping, and at most would want framing lines saved as an XMP overlay or something. Different aspects should purely be a display thing and not a hard edit of the raw file. I learned that this wasn’t the case on the D850 the hard way and will always be bitter about it.

 

[Bob A L]

I guess that growing up on 35mm film never gave me reason to even look or consider a different aspect ratio. I have never missed that option as I never had it.

 

[alphaZ]

I guess that growing up on 35mm film never gave me reason to even look or consider a different aspect ratio. I have never missed that option as I never had it.

A lot of us started with mirrorless with m43, a 4:3 aspect ratio and its hard to shake off!

The aspect lines work for me but the 4:3 one is in the video mode, along with some useful wide aspects which need to added to the stills overlay too.

 

[alphaZ]

I personally want nothing to do with mobile apps or in camera cropping, and at most would want framing lines saved as an XMP overlay or something. Different aspects should purely be a display thing and not a hard edit of the raw file. I learned that this wasn’t the case on the D850 the hard way and will always be bitter about it.

Its standard practice to always maintain the full raw and crop the jpg only! I think Nikon does it different, hence they've resorted to overlays, which is fine but why so few in stills mode.

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[alphaZ]

It's wild to me, because I'm coming from the Canon M50, and new cameras have fully surpassed it in so many ways (dynamic range, 4K detail, weather sealing, lens availability, IBIS) but they stumble on the dumbest things that would be so simple to do in firmware or code (aspect ratios, mobile apps, which work great with my M50). It's baffling. Companies will spend years tweaking a picture profile to save you from editing your JPEGs but not let you crop in-camera. Wild.

I'm happy with the overlay just wish there were more options for stills shooting!

 

[Fabian Joya]

I am surprised that camera manufacturers didn't move away from the 3:2 format now that we are no longer restricted to the size of the film strip!.

An oversized sensor that can shoot 16:9, 3:4 and 4:5 in addition to 3:2 would be so much more flexible! One of the coolest things about the early Panasonic m4/3 cameras IMO.

Not to mention a 4:5 or 6:7 format would make much better use of the image circle and the potential of the lens. These two formats are ideal in my view.

Really a missed opportunity when Nikon introduced the new Z system. They overhauled everything else! But I guess since they don't manufacture their own sensors, choosing a different aspect ration is hard.

 

[NickZ2016]

You want a 1940s movie camera. Or a 1950s TV camera.

People have enough trouble with the idea of FF/DX focal length equivalence. You really want them to deal with converting between multiple aspect ratios?

 

[Droster]

I am surprised that camera manufacturers didn't move away from the 3:2 format now that we are no longer restricted to the size of the film strip!.

An oversized sensor that can shoot 16:9, 3:4 and 4:5 in addition to 3:2 would be so much more flexible! One of the coolest things about the early Panasonic m4/3 cameras IMO.

Not to mention a 4:5 or 6:7 format would make much better use of the image circle and the potential of the lens. These two formats are ideal in my view.

Really a missed opportunity when Nikon introduced the new Z system. They overhauled everything else! But I guess since they don't manufacture their own sensors, choosing a different aspect ration is hard.

For video purposes, we're not going to get a "tall" ratio and 3:2 is probably the least amount of unused sensor area when switching between video and stills while still covering as much of the lens as possible.

That said, that 1:1 crop overlay is what I use instead of the usual quarters grid. It really helps with framing the shot for the 1:1 crop export to be used on Instagram.

 

[Fabian Joya]

You want a 1940s movie camera. Or a 1950s TV camera.

People have enough trouble with the idea of FF/DX focal length equivalence. You really want them to deal with converting between multiple aspect ratios?

Not sure I understand your point.

 

[bing041]

You want a 1940s movie camera. Or a 1950s TV camera.

People have enough trouble with the idea of FF/DX focal length equivalence. You really want them to deal with converting between multiple aspect ratios?

How are going to be able to shoot an IMAX video without 4:3 or 3:2?

 

[michaeladawson]

I guess that growing up on 35mm film never gave me reason to even look or consider a different aspect ratio. I have never missed that option as I never had it.

Really? I grew up in the film era. And spent a lot of hours in a dark room. We never printed a 3:2 image. The most common print aspect ratio that we printed was 5:4.

As I recall, the most common size prints to get back from the drugstore when you took in a roll of film was 3 1/2 x 4 1/2. It wasn't until much later that commercial labs started offering 4"x6" prints. Like in the 90s?

 

[NickZ2016]

4x6 was a lot earlier than that.

Contact printing 6x9 MF was the norm long before 35mm came along. 5x7 isn't exact but it's pretty close. 5x7 was also often contact printed.