RF-S 10-18 lens hood obstructs with DXO

If it's a Canon hood, I wouldn't want to file it down, but the JJC hoods are so cheap, I figured it was worth it. It works just fine now, and I don't have to worry about taking it off for 10mm shots (really more like 8.5mm).
Do you know what the difference is? Do you have both? Does the Canon have some special quality that the others don't?
Yes, it has the special quality of costing three times as much. :-) I don't have both. I buy JJC hoods for all my lenses that don't come with a hood. All my L lenses come with hoods, so I don't buy extra hoods for those lenses. Some people have claimed that Canon hoods have better interior surfaces to combat reflections. I can't say that I've ever noticed a problem with JJC hoods, but I haven't gone out of my way to stress test them.
 
If it's a Canon hood, I wouldn't want to file it down, but the JJC hoods are so cheap, I figured it was worth it. It works just fine now, and I don't have to worry about taking it off for 10mm shots (really more like 8.5mm).
Do you know what the difference is? Do you have both? Does the Canon have some special quality that the others don't?
Yes, it has the special quality of costing three times as much. :-) I don't have both. I buy JJC hoods for all my lenses that don't come with a hood. All my L lenses come with hoods, so I don't buy extra hoods for those lenses. Some people have claimed that Canon hoods have better interior surfaces to combat reflections. I can't say that I've ever noticed a problem with JJC hoods, but I haven't gone out of my way to stress test them.
I was thinking about possible ease of mounting. I have no reason to believe that Canon hoods would be easier to mount, but it's possible.

On the interior surfaces, some of the Canon hoods have flocking on the inside surface, although maybe not on the RF-S lens. Black plastic probably reflects about 5%, and it can focus sunlight on the front of the lens. I don't know whether that makes a significant difference or not.
 
If it's a Canon hood, I wouldn't want to file it down, but the JJC hoods are so cheap, I figured it was worth it. It works just fine now, and I don't have to worry about taking it off for 10mm shots (really more like 8.5mm).
Do you know what the difference is? Do you have both? Does the Canon have some special quality that the others don't?
Yes, it has the special quality of costing three times as much. :-) I don't have both. I buy JJC hoods for all my lenses that don't come with a hood. All my L lenses come with hoods, so I don't buy extra hoods for those lenses. Some people have claimed that Canon hoods have better interior surfaces to combat reflections. I can't say that I've ever noticed a problem with JJC hoods, but I haven't gone out of my way to stress test them.
The Canon hoods that I have are internally threaded.

The third-party ones I have are not. Just flat black.

Real world difference? I have no idea.
 
  1. BobKnDP wrote:
Does Adobe PhotoRaw do the same?
No. Lightroom (which uses the same ACR as Photoshop) gives a narrower field of view. Here's the same shot processed in Lightroom with the lens correction on:

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And here's that shot with lens correction off, so you can see the full field of view:

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Sorry, I meant (Adobe) Camera Raw. (Photo Raw is another product.)

As an experiment, I ran an R5 RAW taken with an RF 14-35L F/4 L through Photolab7 and PS (via ACR). The focal length was 14 mm.

The resulting images were both 8192 X 5464. (I guess both companies like to remap to the R5's nominal pixel count.) There were visible small differences in the distortion correction, though. (The images were of my cluttered living room, so I won't post them here.)

I believe that the differences were much less than with the R7 plus the RF-S 10-18.

The RF 14-35, at 14mm with a full-frame body, exhibits barrel distortion and vignetting at f/5.6.
You mean uncorrected? I don’t see that with my 14-35 in either Adobe or DXO.
Yes.

Open a RAW with the Windows "Photos" app, if you wish to see an uncorrected view.
Or in DXO, or LR, or ACR etc - just turn off corrections. Your post read as if you were seeing it with corrections applied. Alistair’s lens hood intrusion is with DXO’s corrections turned ON, because DXO provides a slightly wider FOV with the RF-S 10-18.
I'm sorry if my post gave a false impression. I guess that I didn't write clearly.

I need to do a little work. Looking at one image taken at 14mm with an RF 14-35 F4 L, I can see a small difference between corrected images from DXO (PL7) and ACR. I don't refer to the choice of crop.
 
Thanks Alastair for the post and pointing this out. I hadn't noticed this or tested for it and am a little surprised. It's good to know as I'm a DxO user. I've shot with this lens a number of times, almost always video on the R7 and even R8 and on video with the JJC hood there is no physical vignetting.

Of course I had to experiment now too even though it's a rainy day and I could only shoot through a window. :)

All images (RAW & SOOC JPG) were shot at 10mm and downsized to 2160 pixels tall but not 'cropped' except by the Canon or DxO distortion corrections, as indicated:

10mm - NO HOOD - RAW - DxO distortion correction OFF
10mm - NO HOOD - RAW - DxO distortion correction OFF

10mm - HOOD - RAW - DxO distortion correction OFF
10mm - HOOD - RAW - DxO distortion correction OFF

10mm - HOOD - RAW - DxO distortion correction ON
10mm - HOOD - RAW - DxO distortion correction ON

10mm - HOOD - SOOC JPG
10mm - HOOD - SOOC JPG

The fact that the hood is not centered is probably due to the R7\s IBIS, the sensor was probably not in the center of the image circle for the shots as it moves around quite a bit while stabilizing.
 
I guess this demonstrates the level of post processing that is assumed/built into the construction of a modern lens.

On the one hand I think that when I buy a lens I want to be buying a piece of optical equipment not software but on the other if it makes the lens smaller and cheaper, and I can't tell the difference, when I look at an image why should I worry about it?
 
Interesting! Wish I'll have native RF 10-18 someday) Will check it with EF-S 10-18 too, just for fun. Never use it with hood, but spring time coming, sun etc)
 
Interesting! Wish I'll have native RF 10-18 someday) Will check it with EF-S 10-18 too, just for fun. Never use it with hood, but spring time coming, sun etc)
That EF-S lens, being made for DSLRs, shows all its distortion in the SLR optical viewfinder. Lenses with outrageous levels of distortion are difficult to sell for SLR cameras, though Samyang managed it with their 14mm lenses. Mirrorless lenses, starting with micro four-thirds in 2008, can be designed with much higher levels of optical distortion intended to be corrected in camera (for the viewfinder and SOOC jpegs) or in RAW processing and export. You won't have a problem with the lens hood for the EF-S lens, even corrected for distortion, unless you don't have it on completely square.

Correcting barrel distortion involves stretching the image progressively with increasing distance from its centre, then cropping the resultant concave-sided image to a rectangle. DxO take almost the largest possible rectangular crop from the corrected image for whatever aspect ratio you choose. DPP4 won't let you crop outside the 3:2 aspect ratio field of view of a rectilinear projection lens of the nominal focal length. The EW-53B hood appears to frame a nominal "10mm on APS-C" field of view so tightly that it shows up in the image as corrected by DxO.
 
I got the JJC version of the lens hood for my 10-18, which is, I think, the same size as the Canon version. This is what it does at 10mm, when processing with DXO:

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Of course, you don't see this when you take the shot, because you're seeing the in-camera lens corrections. DXO gives you a wider field of view, so you only see this when you actually process the shot. I put a sanding head on my dremel tool, and sanded the hood down until it doesn't do this anymore. It took about seven tries to get it just about right. I didn't want to take off too much all at once, so I kept trying and taking test shots until I had it where I wanted it. Just something to be aware of, if you're using DXO to process your 10-18 shots, and you're using the lenshood. It wasn't difficult to sand it down, but the dremel tool is powered, so it makes it easy. If you're using something like a hand rasp, it might take longer. You could also just cut off bits of the hood, but that would probably leave sharper edges.
Lens hood is totally pointless with such a lens in 99.99% of cases. Take it off and enjoy the UWA field of view.
 
I got the JJC version of the lens hood for my 10-18, which is, I think, the same size as the Canon version. This is what it does at 10mm, when processing with DXO:

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Of course, you don't see this when you take the shot, because you're seeing the in-camera lens corrections. DXO gives you a wider field of view, so you only see this when you actually process the shot. I put a sanding head on my dremel tool, and sanded the hood down until it doesn't do this anymore. It took about seven tries to get it just about right. I didn't want to take off too much all at once, so I kept trying and taking test shots until I had it where I wanted it. Just something to be aware of, if you're using DXO to process your 10-18 shots, and you're using the lenshood. It wasn't difficult to sand it down, but the dremel tool is powered, so it makes it easy. If you're using something like a hand rasp, it might take longer. You could also just cut off bits of the hood, but that would probably leave sharper edges.
Lens hood is totally pointless with such a lens in 99.99% of cases. Take it off and enjoy the UWA field of view.
No need. As I said, I filed the hood down so it doesn't obstruct anymore. I use it more to protect the lens than to keep out light, as I also said.

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This seems to be a problem only with the third-party lens hood. I have the original Canon lens hood (EW-53B).

When I look at the uncorrected raw files in DXO, I get the well-known heavily distorted, wider-than-10mm view and some vignetting in the corners. But the vignetting is same with and without the lens hood.

So: No mechnical vignetting with the original Canon lens hood!
 
This seems to be a problem only with the third-party lens hood. I have the original Canon lens hood (EW-53B).

When I look at the uncorrected raw files in DXO, I get the well-known heavily distorted, wider-than-10mm view and some vignetting in the corners. But the vignetting is same with and without the lens hood.

So: No mechnical vignetting with the original Canon lens hood!
Same here. This doesn’t happen with the Canon hood. It’s odd because usually the JJC hoods are a very exact copy.
 
This seems to be a problem only with the third-party lens hood. I have the original Canon lens hood (EW-53B).

When I look at the uncorrected raw files in DXO, I get the well-known heavily distorted, wider-than-10mm view and some vignetting in the corners. But the vignetting is same with and without the lens hood.

So: No mechnical vignetting with the original Canon lens hood!
Same here. This doesn’t happen with the Canon hood. It’s odd because usually the JJC hoods are a very exact copy.
Yes, that is odd. Still, for the cost saving, it was worth it to just file down the JJC hood a bit.
 
This seems to be a problem only with the third-party lens hood. I have the original Canon lens hood (EW-53B).

When I look at the uncorrected raw files in DXO, I get the well-known heavily distorted, wider-than-10mm view and some vignetting in the corners. But the vignetting is same with and without the lens hood.

So: No mechnical vignetting with the original Canon lens hood!
Same here. This doesn’t happen with the Canon hood. It’s odd because usually the JJC hoods are a very exact copy.
Yes, that is odd. Still, for the cost saving, it was worth it to just file down the JJC hood a bit.
I ordered the Canon hood for around US$20 . . . back-ordered by my local camera store.

Cheap enough to not have me looking for non-genuine versions

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