Low light

[jerseyinHK]

Another question about low light....

I often shoot with the GF50, it is ok for slow subjects in low light, but really the camera needs something like a 1.4 or 1.8 lens for the kind of shots I like to take.

I tried the Canon 50mm F1.8 with the andoer adapter on my 50R, and it did funny things to the camera, requiring me to pull the battery. Not confidence inspiring.

So, I am considering a M43 or ASPC camera with IBIS and some fast glass, like maybe an Olympus body with a 25mm F1.2 lens, just for shooting low light and to accompany the GFX. A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

The alternative is to shoot with the GF50 with astronomically hight iso and do heavy editing in post.A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

I am hoping someone else has experience here and can offer their experience. More glass, or a dedicated camera system...

 

[NAwlins Contrarian]

Another question about low light....

I often shoot with the GF50, it is ok for slow subjects in low light, but really the camera needs something like a 1.4 or 1.8 lens for the kind of shots I like to take.

I tried the Canon 50mm F1.8 with the andoer adapter on my 50R, and it did funny things to the camera, requiring me to pull the battery. Not confidence inspiring.

So, I am considering a M43 or ASPC camera with IBIS and some fast glass, like maybe an Olympus body with a 25mm F1.2 lens, just for shooting low light and to accompany the GFX. A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

The alternative is to shoot with the GF50 with astronomically hight iso and do heavy editing in post.A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

I am hoping someone else has experience here and can offer their experience. More glass, or a dedicated camera system...

A larger sensor or piece of firm is great--the best, even--when you're not light-limited, i.e., the camera and subject are sufficiently motionless that you can leave the shutter open as long as needed to correctly expose at whatever aperture you want for the composition and base gain or with slow film (ISO 100 or whatever).

But when you are light-limited, that's often not true. Currently, the top of the curve for capturing in low light is with 'full frame'. There are a variety of f/1.4, f/1.2, and even f/1.0 and f/0.95 FF lenses; for APS-C and MFT, there's nothing faster in terms of f-stop, and certainly nothing even as fast in terms of light-gathering / equivalent f-stop. You can also get pretty effective IBIS / lens OS for when hand-holding. Also, the best FF sensors perform a little better per area exposed than the GFX 50 sensor, which is now more than ten years old.

I suppose of you can find a FF f/1.2 or faster lens than can be adapted to GFX and really covers the whole sensor when wide open, then that might tilt the advantage back to e.g. a GFX 100 II, which has a more-or-less current-generation sensor and top-level IBIS. I'm just skeptical how well an adapted ultrafast FF lens, designed for a 43mm image circle, will perform wide open on a sensor requiring a 55mm image circle. Someone could run some tests.

 

[bofo777]

I have no problem with low light with my 1.7 GF lenses

 

[dbateman]

Another question about low light....

I often shoot with the GF50, it is ok for slow subjects in low light, but really the camera needs something like a 1.4 or 1.8 lens for the kind of shots I like to take.

I tried the Canon 50mm F1.8 with the andoer adapter on my 50R, and it did funny things to the camera, requiring me to pull the battery. Not confidence inspiring.

So, I am considering a M43 or ASPC camera with IBIS and some fast glass, like maybe an Olympus body with a 25mm F1.2 lens, just for shooting low light and to accompany the GFX. A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

The alternative is to shoot with the GF50 with astronomically hight iso and do heavy editing in post.A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

I am hoping someone else has experience here and can offer their experience. More glass, or a dedicated camera system...

Which Canon did you try? U like the Canon 50mm f1.8 stm lens on a Fringer pro EF-GF adapter. Its ok on an Andoer adapter, but the Fringer is better.

The 50mm f1.8 ii lens is known to have some focusing issues in general.

As for m43rds. I do like the Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 lens on a Metabones 0.7x adapter. This is basically a 26-50mm equivalent field of view with F/1.2 light, but equivalent F2.5 depth of field. That combination has full fast autofocus.

A Nikon 50mm f1.2 lens on a Metabones 0.64x adapter is like a 64mm equivalent with f/0.8 light. Brain Cadwell designed the Metabones 0.64x adapter with the Nikon 50mm f1.2 AIS lens in mind. Its a nice fast combination. You can also use this adapter with the Tokina 14-20mm f2 lens for 18mm to 26 mm equivalent at F/1.2 light.

I haven't used the Sigma 50-100mm f1.8 lens, on these adapters, as its heavy.

 

[spilla]

Hey, I shoot night photography with the GFX50R, until recently upgraded to the 100S. I have a lot of experience with working with these files in low light.

To give you advice, it would help to understand the functionality you need, specifically why you need really fast glass. Do you want to freeze motion, like for street photography with moving subjects? Do you need to autofocus quickly in low light? Do you want to take shots hand-held?

Briefly, I'll mention that the new Denoise AI in LR has been a game-changer for me. It really cleans up high-iso noise extremely well.

 

[JimKasson]

Another question about low light....

I often shoot with the GF50, it is ok for slow subjects in low light, but really the camera needs something like a 1.4 or 1.8 lens for the kind of shots I like to take.

I tried the Canon 50mm F1.8 with the andoer adapter on my 50R, and it did funny things to the camera, requiring me to pull the battery. Not confidence inspiring.

So, I am considering a M43 or ASPC camera with IBIS and some fast glass, like maybe an Olympus body with a 25mm F1.2 lens, just for shooting low light and to accompany the GFX. A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

The alternative is to shoot with the GF50 with astronomically hight iso and do heavy editing in post.A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

I am hoping someone else has experience here and can offer their experience. More glass, or a dedicated camera system...

FF equivalent is by image height

If anyone knows of faster lenses in each format, please let me know. No unobtanium, though.

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[dbateman]

Another question about low light....

I often shoot with the GF50, it is ok for slow subjects in low light, but really the camera needs something like a 1.4 or 1.8 lens for the kind of shots I like to take.

I tried the Canon 50mm F1.8 with the andoer adapter on my 50R, and it did funny things to the camera, requiring me to pull the battery. Not confidence inspiring.

So, I am considering a M43 or ASPC camera with IBIS and some fast glass, like maybe an Olympus body with a 25mm F1.2 lens, just for shooting low light and to accompany the GFX. A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

The alternative is to shoot with the GF50 with astronomically hight iso and do heavy editing in post.A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

I am hoping someone else has experience here and can offer their experience. More glass, or a dedicated camera system...

FF equivalent is by image height

If anyone knows of faster lenses in each format, please let me know. No unobtanium, though.

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Jim I think you're including manual focus lenses right? As I don't know an autofocus F/0.8 lens for mft (m43rds). Only the Voigtlander 29mm f/0.8 lens in m43rds mount.

For the Gf-mount with the mount are the Irix 45mm f1.4, Mitakon 65mm f1.4, Mitakon 85mm f1.2 and Ttartisan 90mm f1.25 lenses.

You can adapt a Ttartisan 50mm f0.95 M-mount lens to Gf-mount as well.

 

[JimKasson]

Another question about low light....

I often shoot with the GF50, it is ok for slow subjects in low light, but really the camera needs something like a 1.4 or 1.8 lens for the kind of shots I like to take.

I tried the Canon 50mm F1.8 with the andoer adapter on my 50R, and it did funny things to the camera, requiring me to pull the battery. Not confidence inspiring.

So, I am considering a M43 or ASPC camera with IBIS and some fast glass, like maybe an Olympus body with a 25mm F1.2 lens, just for shooting low light and to accompany the GFX. A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

The alternative is to shoot with the GF50 with astronomically hight iso and do heavy editing in post.A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

I am hoping someone else has experience here and can offer their experience. More glass, or a dedicated camera system...

FF equivalent is by image height

If anyone knows of faster lenses in each format, please let me know. No unobtanium, though.

Jim I think you're including manual focus lenses right?

Yes.

As I don't know an autofocus F/0.8 lens for mft (m43rds). Only the Voigtlander 29mm f/0.8 lens in m43rds mount.

For the Gf-mount with the mount are the Irix 45mm f1.4, Mitakon 65mm f1.4, Mitakon 85mm f1.2 and Ttartisan 90mm f1.25 lenses.

Do those cover?

You can adapt a Ttartisan 50mm f0.95 M-mount lens to Gf-mount as well.

Does it cover?

If those lenses cover, I'll redo the spreadsheet.

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[Adam Kingston]

Another question about low light....

I often shoot with the GF50, it is ok for slow subjects in low light, but really the camera needs something like a 1.4 or 1.8 lens for the kind of shots I like to take.

I tried the Canon 50mm F1.8 with the andoer adapter on my 50R, and it did funny things to the camera, requiring me to pull the battery. Not confidence inspiring.

So, I am considering a M43 or ASPC camera with IBIS and some fast glass, like maybe an Olympus body with a 25mm F1.2 lens, just for shooting low light and to accompany the GFX. A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

The alternative is to shoot with the GF50 with astronomically hight iso and do heavy editing in post.A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

I am hoping someone else has experience here and can offer their experience. More glass, or a dedicated camera system...

In my experience the CDAF is accurate in low light. Seems counter-intuitive to me to buy into a separate system as you have the hassle of possibly needing to carry both, having to charge different batteries etc., when all you really need is a better adapter or faster glass. I've seen no issues with the 50 1.8 using the Fringer adapter but that lens barely covers. Sigma Art have lenses that cover, or find a used GF 55/80?

I'd also be surprised given the way AI denoise etc., is headed, you wouldn't be better off just using the GF 50 with the 50S II's IBIS and cleaning things up in post compared to using a smaller format.

 

[dbateman]

Another question about low light....

I often shoot with the GF50, it is ok for slow subjects in low light, but really the camera needs something like a 1.4 or 1.8 lens for the kind of shots I like to take.

I tried the Canon 50mm F1.8 with the andoer adapter on my 50R, and it did funny things to the camera, requiring me to pull the battery. Not confidence inspiring.

So, I am considering a M43 or ASPC camera with IBIS and some fast glass, like maybe an Olympus body with a 25mm F1.2 lens, just for shooting low light and to accompany the GFX. A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

The alternative is to shoot with the GF50 with astronomically hight iso and do heavy editing in post.A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

I am hoping someone else has experience here and can offer their experience. More glass, or a dedicated camera system...

FF equivalent is by image height

If anyone knows of faster lenses in each format, please let me know. No unobtanium, though.

Jim I think you're including manual focus lenses right?

Yes.

As I don't know an autofocus F/0.8 lens for mft (m43rds). Only the Voigtlander 29mm f/0.8 lens in m43rds mount.

For the Gf-mount with the mount are the Irix 45mm f1.4, Mitakon 65mm f1.4, Mitakon 85mm f1.2 and Ttartisan 90mm f1.25 lenses.

Do those cover?

The Mitakon 85mm f1.2 does fully cover, but has vignetteing wide open (not hard). The vignetteing is gone by f/4, as seen in this video:

You can adapt a Ttartisan 50mm f0.95 M-mount lens to Gf-mount as well.

Does it cover?

Not at all focus distances. I own it and its a little weird in its coverage. Sharp great coverage wide open close, but than doesn't fully cover futher away at 2m. But than fully covers again at long focus distances.

If those lenses cover, I'll redo the spreadsheet.

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[JimKasson]

Another question about low light....

I often shoot with the GF50, it is ok for slow subjects in low light, but really the camera needs something like a 1.4 or 1.8 lens for the kind of shots I like to take.

I tried the Canon 50mm F1.8 with the andoer adapter on my 50R, and it did funny things to the camera, requiring me to pull the battery. Not confidence inspiring.

So, I am considering a M43 or ASPC camera with IBIS and some fast glass, like maybe an Olympus body with a 25mm F1.2 lens, just for shooting low light and to accompany the GFX. A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

The alternative is to shoot with the GF50 with astronomically hight iso and do heavy editing in post.A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

I am hoping someone else has experience here and can offer their experience. More glass, or a dedicated camera system...

FF equivalent is by image height

If anyone knows of faster lenses in each format, please let me know. No unobtanium, though.

Jim I think you're including manual focus lenses right?

Yes.

As I don't know an autofocus F/0.8 lens for mft (m43rds). Only the Voigtlander 29mm f/0.8 lens in m43rds mount.

For the Gf-mount with the mount are the Irix 45mm f1.4, Mitakon 65mm f1.4, Mitakon 85mm f1.2 and Ttartisan 90mm f1.25 lenses.

Do those cover?

The Mitakon 85mm f1.2 does fully cover, but has vignetteing wide open (not hard). The vignetteing is gone by f/4, as seen in this video:

You can adapt a Ttartisan 50mm f0.95 M-mount lens to Gf-mount as well.

Does it cover?

Not at all focus distances. I own it and its a little weird in its coverage. Sharp great coverage wide open close, but than doesn't fully cover futher away at 2m. But than fully covers again at long focus distances.

If those lenses cover, I'll redo the spreadsheet.

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Photography meets digital computer technology. Photography wins -- most of the time.

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[Greg7579]

Another question about low light....

I often shoot with the GF50, it is ok for slow subjects in low light, but really the camera needs something like a 1.4 or 1.8 lens for the kind of shots I like to take.

I tried the Canon 50mm F1.8 with the andoer adapter on my 50R, and it did funny things to the camera, requiring me to pull the battery. Not confidence inspiring.

So, I am considering a M43 or ASPC camera with IBIS and some fast glass, like maybe an Olympus body with a 25mm F1.2 lens, just for shooting low light and to accompany the GFX. A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

The alternative is to shoot with the GF50 with astronomically hight iso and do heavy editing in post.A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

I am hoping someone else has experience here and can offer their experience. More glass, or a dedicated camera system...

A larger sensor or piece of firm is great--the best, even--when you're not light-limited, i.e., the camera and subject are sufficiently motionless that you can leave the shutter open as long as needed to correctly expose at whatever aperture you want for the composition and base gain or with slow film (ISO 100 or whatever).

But when you are light-limited, that's often not true. Currently, the top of the curve for capturing in low light is with 'full frame'. There are a variety of f/1.4, f/1.2, and even f/1.0 and f/0.95 FF lenses; for APS-C and MFT, there's nothing faster in terms of f-stop, and certainly nothing even as fast in terms of light-gathering / equivalent f-stop. You can also get pretty effective IBIS / lens OS for when hand-holding. Also, the best FF sensors perform a little better per area exposed than the GFX 50 sensor, which is now more than ten years old.

I suppose of you can find a FF f/1.2 or faster lens than can be adapted to GFX and really covers the whole sensor when wide open, then that might tilt the advantage back to e.g. a GFX 100 II, which has a more-or-less current-generation sensor and top-level IBIS. I'm just skeptical how well an adapted ultrafast FF lens, designed for a 43mm image circle, will perform wide open on a sensor requiring a 55mm image circle. Someone could run some tests.

I agree with this take. That said, the GFX 100s or II with the 45 F2.8 has some amazing handheld low light capability.

 

[boastar]

Another question about low light....

I often shoot with the GF50, it is ok for slow subjects in low light, but really the camera needs something like a 1.4 or 1.8 lens for the kind of shots I like to take.

I tried the Canon 50mm F1.8 with the andoer adapter on my 50R, and it did funny things to the camera, requiring me to pull the battery. Not confidence inspiring.

So, I am considering a M43 or ASPC camera with IBIS and some fast glass, like maybe an Olympus body with a 25mm F1.2 lens, just for shooting low light and to accompany the GFX. A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

The alternative is to shoot with the GF50 with astronomically hight iso and do heavy editing in post.A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

I am hoping someone else has experience here and can offer their experience. More glass, or a dedicated camera system...

In sensor height, the GF55/1.7 is almost a 1.2 lens in ff equivalent. And it shoots like one in practice too. I have the direct comparison to the Sony 50/1.2GM. The GM has faster AF, but the GF is serviceable too.

Ad far as I know there is nothing for m4/3 that comes close in terms of brightness. My suggestion would be to get the 55/1.7. It’s an amazing lens, and really great in lowlight too.

 

[Doppler9000]

Another question about low light....

I often shoot with the GF50, it is ok for slow subjects in low light, but really the camera needs something like a 1.4 or 1.8 lens for the kind of shots I like to take.

I tried the Canon 50mm F1.8 with the andoer adapter on my 50R, and it did funny things to the camera, requiring me to pull the battery. Not confidence inspiring.

So, I am considering a M43 or ASPC camera with IBIS and some fast glass, like maybe an Olympus body with a 25mm F1.2 lens, just for shooting low light and to accompany the GFX. A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

The alternative is to shoot with the GF50 with astronomically hight iso and do heavy editing in post.A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

I am hoping someone else has experience here and can offer their experience. More glass, or a dedicated camera system...

FF equivalent is by image height

If anyone knows of faster lenses in each format, please let me know. No unobtanium, though.

Jim I think you're including manual focus lenses right?

Yes.

As I don't know an autofocus F/0.8 lens for mft (m43rds). Only the Voigtlander 29mm f/0.8 lens in m43rds mount.

For the Gf-mount with the mount are the Irix 45mm f1.4, Mitakon 65mm f1.4, Mitakon 85mm f1.2 and Ttartisan 90mm f1.25 lenses.

Do those cover?

The Mitakon 85mm f1.2 does fully cover, but has vignetteing wide open (not hard). The vignetteing is gone by f/4, as seen in this video:

You can adapt a Ttartisan 50mm f0.95 M-mount lens to Gf-mount as well.

Does it cover?

Not at all focus distances. I own it and its a little weird in its coverage. Sharp great coverage wide open close, but than doesn't fully cover futher away at 2m. But than fully covers again at long focus distances.

If those lenses cover, I'll redo the spreadsheet.

There is a Mamiya 645 80mm f/1.9, but not sure if it is applicable here.

 

[JimKasson]

Another question about low light....

I often shoot with the GF50, it is ok for slow subjects in low light, but really the camera needs something like a 1.4 or 1.8 lens for the kind of shots I like to take.

I tried the Canon 50mm F1.8 with the andoer adapter on my 50R, and it did funny things to the camera, requiring me to pull the battery. Not confidence inspiring.

So, I am considering a M43 or ASPC camera with IBIS and some fast glass, like maybe an Olympus body with a 25mm F1.2 lens, just for shooting low light and to accompany the GFX. A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

The alternative is to shoot with the GF50 with astronomically hight iso and do heavy editing in post.A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

I am hoping someone else has experience here and can offer their experience. More glass, or a dedicated camera system...

FF equivalent is by image height

If anyone knows of faster lenses in each format, please let me know. No unobtanium, though.

Jim I think you're including manual focus lenses right?

Yes.

As I don't know an autofocus F/0.8 lens for mft (m43rds). Only the Voigtlander 29mm f/0.8 lens in m43rds mount.

For the Gf-mount with the mount are the Irix 45mm f1.4, Mitakon 65mm f1.4, Mitakon 85mm f1.2 and Ttartisan 90mm f1.25 lenses.

Do those cover?

The Mitakon 85mm f1.2 does fully cover, but has vignetteing wide open (not hard). The vignetteing is gone by f/4, as seen in this video:

You can adapt a Ttartisan 50mm f0.95 M-mount lens to Gf-mount as well.

Does it cover?

Not at all focus distances. I own it and its a little weird in its coverage. Sharp great coverage wide open close, but than doesn't fully cover futher away at 2m. But than fully covers again at long focus distances.

If those lenses cover, I'll redo the spreadsheet.

There is a Mamiya 645 80mm f/1.9, but not sure if it is applicable here.

Oh, what the hey:







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[themediocreenthusiast]

Another question about low light....

First and foremost? Have you read? https://blog.kasson.com/gfx-50s/pulling-high-iso-gfx-50x-images-in-lrc/

That might give you more courage not to be afraid of high iso using 4433 but yes I admit there are more challenges using higher ISO with MF 4433 sensor during real life shooting like the below.

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GFX 50S + Sigma 14-24mm ART : ISO100 F8 long exposure with my rusty tripod

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High ISO3200 Handheld 1/13 post-edited using X1D + Carl Zeiss 25mm f2 I pulled so many stops that I think easily eqv. ISO 12800

I often shoot with the GF50, it is ok for slow subjects in low light, but really the camera needs something like a 1.4 or 1.8 lens for the kind of shots I like to take.

same boat, fully understand what you mean.

What you need f1.4 f1.8 for purpose during low light? street, astro starry, architecture, or family, crazy kids?

What kind of shutter speed do you enjoy shooting with 1.4 lens during low light? 1/60? 1/15? or 1/250 for fast moving objects at night?

Also, what's your experience and if you are familiar using high ISO shooting with other cameras? What's your expectation with high ISO, and readiness with embracing noise & grains?

I'm sure you understand it can be quite meaningless if faster lens f1.4 f1.8 are soft, blurry and low res. IQ on larger 4433 sensor GFX 50s - of course all good if you are after a special look.

Have you considered GF 45mm f2.8 or invest in new GF 50mm f1.7 which I believe it's easier for low light shooting and reasonable shutter speed from ISO100-ISO1600.

I tried the Canon 50mm F1.8 with the andoer adapter on my 50R, and it did funny things to the camera, requiring me to pull the battery. Not confidence inspiring.

Yes, can be tricky with some lenses on Andoer adapter but have you tried looking for Tamron 45 or 35mm f1.8 SP VC?

I use Tamron 35mm f1.8SP VC quite alot for my family trips, and shooting at night with my girls.

Honestly, I get over 90% excellent result at f1.8, 1/15 or 1/30 and the auto-iso are kept below iso400. mechanical shutter.

I know ill get even better result = faster shutter speed and lower iso if I use Center-weighted metering

So, I am considering a M43 or ASPC camera with IBIS and some fast glass, like maybe an Olympus body with a 25mm F1.2 lens, just for shooting low light and to accompany the GFX. A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

I was on the same boat many years ago - thinking of getting a capable high ISO camera and I'll have no issues with point and shooting at night using any lens at F8 iso12,800 or 102,400.

For decade, the official science proven and real life shooting proven King of Low Light (just google) , high ISO has been Sony A7S mk1 mk2 12mp and Nikon Df 16.2mp. Both have very fat pixel size 8.4um and 7.7um respectively. I am not sure if anyone has tested A7Siii vs older version since A7Sii uses a different sensor, so I can't comment on that. Not many people knew but Canon 5D Classic (12mp) has the fattest 8.4um pixel too. Not sure if the sensor is Made by Canon in 2005?

Bit I still have Sony A7S & Nikon Df and Canon 5D classic.

The alternative is to shoot with the GF50 with astronomically hight iso and do heavy editing in post.

What's the highest ISO you have shot at what shutter speed? What is your issue with high iso shots on GFX?

Noise ? Grains (a.ka. Signal-to-noise SNR ratio) or dislike the reduction of dynamic range when using high ISO?

What sort of look are you after? High ISO (low noise) and High DR? If you refer to the chart below, you may realised that you are actually have a very excellent GFX 50S MF camera of producing and maintaining bare-mininum excellent near 9 stops DR!! until iso 12800 - compared to the King of ISO for full frame cameras *Sony A7S & Nikon Df.



https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm

However if you are concern or dislike seeing the noise or grains on highISO files - you may consider paying for a good Denoise software which is a cheaper option.

I finally paid for Topaz Denoise AI recently, and it's working really great for my high iso files. I yet to re-edit some of my past highiso images from Sony A7S but thinking maybe a fun project to do when I have time.



In short - from my humble experience- I feel it's really a Give & Take and managing own expectations between Dynamic Range & SNR - when it comes to "High ISO" cameras.

How much of a DR would you happy? and how much noise are you ready to accept?

Personally, after moving along with 25years of camera tech or sensor advancement, I realised even the King of Low light cameras may not give us the DR or look you-me-we are after.

A complete camera and lens second hand is about 1/2 the cost of the GF55. And I wonder if the GFX 50 series (I have an sii and an R) can still reliably focus in low light.

I am hoping someone else has experience here and can offer their experience. More glass, or a dedicated camera system...

 

[JimKasson]

Another question about low light....

First and foremost? Have you read? https://blog.kasson.com/gfx-50s/pulling-high-iso-gfx-50x-images-in-lrc/

That might give you more courage not to be afraid of high iso using 4433...

That won't work for many GFX cameras, sad to say.

 

[themediocreenthusiast]

Another question about low light....

First and foremost? Have you read? https://blog.kasson.com/gfx-50s/pulling-high-iso-gfx-50x-images-in-lrc/

That might give you more courage not to be afraid of high iso using 4433...

That won't work for many GFX cameras, sad to say.

Perhaps more of healthy Trade-Off. :-D

Honestly, ill be really afraid of a MF camera capable of point & shoot using High iso, High DR + low noise at night / low light.

In Japan, you never know whoever is using stalking whoever using a 70-300mm lens. :-D

 

[JimKasson]

Another question about low light....

First and foremost? Have you read? https://blog.kasson.com/gfx-50s/pulling-high-iso-gfx-50x-images-in-lrc/

That might give you more courage not to be afraid of high iso using 4433...

That won't work for many GFX cameras, sad to say.

Perhaps more of healthy Trade-Off. :-D

I really don't like the way the newer GFX cameras handle high ISO compared to the first two.

Honestly, ill be really afraid of a MF camera capable of point & shoot using High iso, High DR + low noise at night / low light.

In Japan, you never know whoever is using stalking whoever using a 70-300mm lens. :-D

 

[jerseyinHK]

So i am either confused, or there is misleading information here.

It is my understanding that a F2.0 lens at ISO 100 should properly expose at exactly the same speed regardless of the sensor size. All the discussion above regarding equivalent F stop only pertains to DOF, and not proper exposure.

Am I missing something?