E-M10ii Manual Mode with Auto ISO

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I've always shot my E-M10ii on Aperture Priority mode and manually ISO.

Now I want to try shooting on Manual mode with Auto ISO. Is E-M10ii good for this? Are there any tips or tricks I should know?
 
is it possble with this model?
 
I've always shot my E-M10ii on Aperture Priority mode and manually ISO.

Now I want to try shooting on Manual mode with Auto ISO. Is E-M10ii good for this? Are there any tips or tricks I should know?
Try it, by all means. But I never use this mode - I rarely have the need to fix both aperture and shutter speed in changing light - so I'm not the best person to answer, but on the odd occasions I have used it I find it too fiddly to access EV compensation (which I do use a lot).

By default auto ISO is disabled in M mode so make sure you set "Auto-ISO" to "All" in the "Gear"-E menu or you won't be able to select it. Generally I prefer aperture priority with auto-ISO with a fairly low maximum (800) for most situations but we all have our personal preferences and choice is good :-)
 
I've always shot my E-M10ii on Aperture Priority mode and manually ISO.

Now I want to try shooting on Manual mode with Auto ISO. Is E-M10ii good for this? Are there any tips or tricks I should know?
Try it, by all means. But I never use this mode - I rarely have the need to fix both aperture and shutter speed in changing light - so I'm not the best person to answer, but on the odd occasions I have used it I find it too fiddly to access EV compensation (which I do use a lot).

By default auto ISO is disabled in M mode so make sure you set "Auto-ISO" to "All" in the "Gear"-E menu or you won't be able to select it. Generally I prefer aperture priority with auto-ISO with a fairly low maximum (800) for most situations but we all have our personal preferences and choice is good :-)
I agree. By all means give it a try, but prepare to be underwhelmed. Try it for portraits or landscapes where you don't need to react quickly.

My usual mode on the Mark II is P, ISO 800, with heavy use of EV & program shift (Ps). I switch to S for long lenses. I only go beyond ISO 800 intentionally, but I seldom go below it at all.
 
I quit shooting Manual with auto ISO on the Mk II because I could not adjust exposure compensation in that mode like I can on the EM5 Mk III. If anyone knows how, let me know.
 
I quit shooting Manual with auto ISO on the Mk II because I could not adjust exposure compensation in that mode like I can on the EM5 Mk III. If anyone knows how, let me know.
I had the same issue on my E-M5ii. When using Auto ISO in Manual mode you can't adjust the exposure compensation. IMHO you really need to be able to do that. Fortunately on my E-M1ii (and newer models) you can adjust the exposure compensation while shooting in Manual mode with Auto ISO.

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I quit shooting Manual with auto ISO on the Mk II because I could not adjust exposure compensation in that mode like I can on the EM5 Mk III. If anyone knows how, let me know.
Absolutely correct. I have e E-M10 II and a E-M5 III and now that I think of it I've never used auto-ISO in M mode on the E-M10 II - and rarely on the E-M5 III where I found it too fiddly to adjust EV compensation. I just tried on the E-M10 II and as you say it's not possible at all, so auto-ISO in M mode is pretty much a useless feature on that body.
 
I hadn't considered how to adjust exposure compensation when E-M10ii in Manual mode w Auto ISO. That may be a challenge or impossible? Arggg!

I shoot of lot of candid enviromental portraits of people. Specifically... Street photography (for fun & practice). Workers doing their jobs (paid shoots).

For enviromental portraits the background is part of the story. Sometimes the background is the most important part of the story and the person(s) are accessories to that.

Sometimes I need all the background in focus (deep DOF) which M4/3 excels at. Othertimes I need some (just enough) background in focus, but not too much (which all sensor sizes excel at).

So I need to manually control aperture.

The people in the photos are usually candids. Often they're doing a physical activity for street, fun, or work. So I need to control shutter speed.

I also need to be able to quickly adjust exposure by some means. My normal methods are exp comp dial when in aperture priority mode, or adjust shutter when in manual mode (with fixed ISO).

This is why I'd like to begin using Auto ISO (which is a skill I don't yet have). Though it sounds like this might not be possible (if I can't control exp comp).

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Decades ago I shot a lot of enthusiast photos and paid shoots using Minolta gear in Manual Mode. It was a daunting challenge to do this fast enough with candids or impatient amateur models. i.e. - difficult with non-pro human subjects.

Part of the issue was... My Minolta camera was Manual Focus. So I had to juggle aperture, shutter, and manual focus. That's a lot to deal with under time pressure.

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The E-M10ii has potentially adequate AF for my needs (after latest firmware updates) so that I might be able to trust its S-AF. If so, that would free up my mind and fingers to concentrate on aperture, shutter, exposure. i.e. - DOF, motion, exposure.

Note: Up till now I've always manually selected focus point before allowing S-AF to do the rest, or I use MF. This works great for architecure & landscapes, but is too slow for candid humans. Even a bit too slow for willing amateur models.

However, after latest E-M10ii firmware updates, maybe I can now trust S-AF to choose the focus point without my intervention. I need to test this more. So far I am finding the E-M10ii S-AF to be competant after latest firmware update(s). I am hopeful that I will no longer need to manually intervene in camera's focus decisions.

So maybe with E-M10ii using S-AF fully automated, perhaps I can handle Manual mode with manual/fixed ISO. I'll try that.

I'll also try Manual mode with Auto ISO. Hopefully I can figure out a convenient way to fine tune exp since I wouldn't have an exp comp dial in M mode.

Experimentation will be needed. I figure maybe you guys might have some advice to give me a head start. Though it sounds like maybe the E-M10ii doesn't have the ability to adj exp comp while in M with Auto ISO.

Thanks for your input!
 
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I quit shooting Manual with auto ISO on the Mk II because I could not adjust exposure compensation in that mode like I can on the EM5 Mk III. If anyone knows how, let me know.
Same here. I tried Manual mode w Auto ISO a few years ago and was frustrated by not knowing how to adjust exp comp. I am hoping to give it another try after getting some advice in this thread. The burning 🔥 question is how to adjust exp comp?
 
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I quit shooting Manual with auto ISO on the Mk II because I could not adjust exposure compensation in that mode like I can on the EM5 Mk III. If anyone knows how, let me know.
Same here. I tried Manual mode w Auto ISO a few years ago and was frustrated by not knowing how to adjust exp comp. I am hoping to give it another try after getting some advice in this thread. The burning 🔥 question is how to adjust exp comp?
As has already been stated: there is no practical way to adjust it.

You could of course menu dive and alter the metering offset ("Exposure shift") in the "Utilities" menu every time, but this is completely impractical.
 
I quit shooting Manual with auto ISO on the Mk II because I could not adjust exposure compensation in that mode like I can on the EM5 Mk III. If anyone knows how, let me know.
Same here. I tried Manual mode w Auto ISO a few years ago and was frustrated by not knowing how to adjust exp comp. I am hoping to give it another try after getting some advice in this thread. The burning 🔥 question is how to adjust exp comp?
As has already been stated: there is no practical way to adjust it.

You could of course menu dive and alter the metering offset ("Exposure shift") in the "Utilities" menu every time, but this is completely impractical.
Bummer. How practical is Aperture Prority with Auto ISO?
 
I quit shooting Manual with auto ISO on the Mk II because I could not adjust exposure compensation in that mode like I can on the EM5 Mk III. If anyone knows how, let me know.
Same here. I tried Manual mode w Auto ISO a few years ago and was frustrated by not knowing how to adjust exp comp. I am hoping to give it another try after getting some advice in this thread. The burning 🔥 question is how to adjust exp comp?
As has already been stated: there is no practical way to adjust it.

You could of course menu dive and alter the metering offset ("Exposure shift") in the "Utilities" menu every time, but this is completely impractical.
Bummer. How practical is Aperture Prority with Auto ISO?
Perfectly practical, and what I use 99% of the time.
 
I asked a stupid question, then realized the answer. I was embarassed. So I deleted the content of this post.
 
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I quit shooting Manual with auto ISO on the Mk II because I could not adjust exposure compensation in that mode like I can on the EM5 Mk III. If anyone knows how, let me know.
Option1: Manual exp with auto-ISO - you pick two

Option 2: Manual exp with manual ISO - you pick three

So, why would anyone want manual with Auto-ISO AND exposure compensation?
 
I quit shooting Manual with auto ISO on the Mk II because I could not adjust exposure compensation in that mode like I can on the EM5 Mk III. If anyone knows how, let me know.
Option1: Manual exp with auto-ISO - you pick two
For Option 1: Yes you pick 2... The aperture (for DOF you want) and shutter speed (to freeze or blur motion as you want). Now what if the exposure is too light or too dark? How are you going to implement exposure compensation while retaining Aperture and Shutter you want? i.e. - How are you going to retain DOF and motion freeze (or blur) that you want while fine tuning exposure?
Option 2: Manual exp with manual ISO - you pick three
For Option 2: I would usually adjust shutter speed, sometimes aperture, sometimes both. Then I have to consider if the ISO is still appropriate or needs manual adjustment.
So, why would anyone want manual with Auto-ISO AND exposure compensation?
So I can quickly modify the exposure the camera thinks it should be without altering DOF (aperture) or motion (shutter).

Have you (MNE) tried shooting Manual mode with Auto ISO?
 
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I quit shooting Manual with auto ISO on the Mk II because I could not adjust exposure compensation in that mode like I can on the EM5 Mk III. If anyone knows how, let me know.
Option1: Manual exp with auto-ISO - you pick two

Option 2: Manual exp with manual ISO - you pick three

So, why would anyone want manual with Auto-ISO AND exposure compensation?
This was discussed in depth about a week ago. Please read that thread.


Allan
 
Put the camera to A-mode, shutter to mechanical, IS works as always

ISO to 200

you will hear the shutter going into long(ish) speed- correct the ISO as required for the next shot

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Emil Pozar, http://www.alpfabet.com
 
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Put the camera to A-mode, shutter to mechanical, IS works as always

ISO to 200

you will hear the shutter going into long(ish) speed- correct the ISO as required for the next shot
But this is Not Auto ISO as the OP requested.

His camera will do Auto ISO in Manual but without EC.

Allan
 
I quit shooting Manual with auto ISO on the Mk II because I could not adjust exposure compensation in that mode like I can on the EM5 Mk III. If anyone knows how, let me know.
Option1: Manual exp with auto-ISO - you pick two

Option 2: Manual exp with manual ISO - you pick three

So, why would anyone want manual with Auto-ISO AND exposure compensation?
This was discussed in depth about a week ago. Please read that thread.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/67524658
I'll read that other thread. Thanks!
 

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