I've put my P1000 on sale...

To those who don't value high-end camera phones:

Remember the old saying "Your best camera is the one with you"? Your phone is the camera always with you, so for a photography lover the first priority should be to get the camera phone as good as he/she can. For long-zoom lovers in this forum, the best camera phone means one that has the longest optical zoom, namely the S21 Ultra to S23 Ultra which have a 10x camera. In addition, resolution is closely related to zoom and is the next sexiest thing to zoom, or the new sexy in photography. That why the S23 Ultra which has both a 200MP and a 10x camera is so enticing to me.
Yes I always carry my iPhone 12 Pro Max and I have my s23 ultra for when I want a longer lens but still not carry both a camera and a phone.
Do they share the same SIM card or each use a separate card?
They have their own SIM cards but I got an app that allows me to clone my iPhone to an android device so I can be contacted via either no matter which number gets rang.
Wow. Having multiple phones is a problem for me because not only do I have to switch the SIM card between the two phones, but a very important super app WeChat will also lock itself up after it detects a new device and can only be unlocked by confirmation of my identity by two WeChat friends. Also, having two high-end phones means a waste of money for me - I would sell one of them to buy something else or invest the money in Bitcoin... Maybe I should try an S23 Ultra first from an online store to see how it compares to my S21 Ultra in reality.
 
To those who don't value high-end camera phones:

Remember the old saying "Your best camera is the one with you"? Your phone is the camera always with you, so for a photography lover the first priority should be to get the camera phone as good as he/she can. For long-zoom lovers in this forum, the best camera phone means one that has the longest optical zoom, namely the S21 Ultra to S23 Ultra which have a 10x camera. In addition, resolution is closely related to zoom and is the next sexiest thing to zoom, or the new sexy in photography. That why the S23 Ultra which has both a 200MP and a 10x camera is so enticing to me.
Yes I always carry my iPhone 12 Pro Max and I have my s23 ultra for when I want a longer lens but still not carry both a camera and a phone.
Do they share the same SIM card or each use a separate card?
They have their own SIM cards but I got an app that allows me to clone my iPhone to an android device so I can be contacted via either no matter which number gets rang.
Wow. Having multiple phones is a problem for me because not only do I have to switch the SIM card between the two phones, but a very important super app WeChat will also lock itself up after it detects a new device and can only be unlocked by confirmation of my identity by two WeChat friends. Also, having two high-end phones means a waste of money for me - I would sell one of them to buy something else or invest the money in Bitcoin... Maybe I should try an S23 Ultra first from an online store to see how it compares to my S21 Ultra in reality.
Well my ultra is dual sim at a push , but iPhone is linked to work , work apps , my iPad and all backed by cloud even my camera auto uploads to my iCloud via iPhone . My s23 ultra is my personal treat instead of a full frame camera , so if I get bored with it I can trade in against a full frame camera anyway .
 
To those who don't value high-end camera phones:

Remember the old saying "Your best camera is the one with you"? Your phone is the camera always with you, so for a photography lover the first priority should be to get the camera phone as good as he/she can. For long-zoom lovers in this forum, the best camera phone means one that has the longest optical zoom, namely the S21 Ultra to S23 Ultra which have a 10x camera. In addition, resolution is closely related to zoom and is the next sexiest thing to zoom, or the new sexy in photography. That why the S23 Ultra which has both a 200MP and a 10x camera is so enticing to me.
How much does it cost and why did they downgrade everything with the S24 Ultra?

I just wish people would quit taking silly selfies with them and also holding them upright, a camera is meant to be held sideways.
But on the other hand upright photos lend themselves very well to portraits.
Yes they are perfect for portrait photography but it looks so weird when some people take pictures of sunsets or other landscapes that way.
 
To those who don't value high-end camera phones:

Remember the old saying "Your best camera is the one with you"? Your phone is the camera always with you, so for a photography lover the first priority should be to get the camera phone as good as he/she can. For long-zoom lovers in this forum, the best camera phone means one that has the longest optical zoom, namely the S21 Ultra to S23 Ultra which have a 10x camera. In addition, resolution is closely related to zoom and is the next sexiest thing to zoom, or the new sexy in photography. That why the S23 Ultra which has both a 200MP and a 10x camera is so enticing to me.
Yes I always carry my iPhone 12 Pro Max and I have my s23 ultra for when I want a longer lens but still not carry both a camera and a phone.
Do they share the same SIM card or each use a separate card?
They have their own SIM cards but I got an app that allows me to clone my iPhone to an android device so I can be contacted via either no matter which number gets rang.
Wow. Having multiple phones is a problem for me because not only do I have to switch the SIM card between the two phones, but a very important super app WeChat will also lock itself up after it detects a new device and can only be unlocked by confirmation of my identity by two WeChat friends. Also, having two high-end phones means a waste of money for me - I would sell one of them to buy something else or invest the money in Bitcoin... Maybe I should try an S23 Ultra first from an online store to see how it compares to my S21 Ultra in reality.
Just found a video that contains side-by-side photo comparisons of the S21U and S23U at 1x, 3x, 10x, 30x and 100x, and also the 12.5MP, 50MP and 200MP modes of the S23U:

Side-by-side photo comparisons of S21U and S23U: Mobile Photography Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)
 
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To those who don't value high-end camera phones:

Remember the old saying "Your best camera is the one with you"? Your phone is the camera always with you, so for a photography lover the first priority should be to get the camera phone as good as he/she can. For long-zoom lovers in this forum, the best camera phone means one that has the longest optical zoom, namely the S21 Ultra to S23 Ultra which have a 10x camera. In addition, resolution is closely related to zoom and is the next sexiest thing to zoom, or the new sexy in photography. That why the S23 Ultra which has both a 200MP and a 10x camera is so enticing to me.
Yes I always carry my iPhone 12 Pro Max and I have my s23 ultra for when I want a longer lens but still not carry both a camera and a phone.
Do they share the same SIM card or each use a separate card?
They have their own SIM cards but I got an app that allows me to clone my iPhone to an android device so I can be contacted via either no matter which number gets rang.
Wow. Having multiple phones is a problem for me because not only do I have to switch the SIM card between the two phones, but a very important super app WeChat will also lock itself up after it detects a new device and can only be unlocked by confirmation of my identity by two WeChat friends. Also, having two high-end phones means a waste of money for me - I would sell one of them to buy something else or invest the money in Bitcoin... Maybe I should try an S23 Ultra first from an online store to see how it compares to my S21 Ultra in reality.
Well my ultra is dual sim at a push , but iPhone is linked to work , work apps , my iPad and all backed by cloud even my camera auto uploads to my iCloud via iPhone . My s23 ultra is my personal treat instead of a full frame camera , so if I get bored with it I can trade in against a full frame camera anyway .
I wonder how it compares to the latest Iphone and what is the highest resolution video these cameras do-- 4K 30fps like my FZ300?

Also how does the image quality compare to M4/3? At ISO 3200 (for example?)
 
To those who don't value high-end camera phones:

Remember the old saying "Your best camera is the one with you"? Your phone is the camera always with you, so for a photography lover the first priority should be to get the camera phone as good as he/she can. For long-zoom lovers in this forum, the best camera phone means one that has the longest optical zoom, namely the S21 Ultra to S23 Ultra which have a 10x camera. In addition, resolution is closely related to zoom and is the next sexiest thing to zoom, or the new sexy in photography. That why the S23 Ultra which has both a 200MP and a 10x camera is so enticing to me.
Yes I always carry my iPhone 12 Pro Max and I have my s23 ultra for when I want a longer lens but still not carry both a camera and a phone.
Do they share the same SIM card or each use a separate card?
They have their own SIM cards but I got an app that allows me to clone my iPhone to an android device so I can be contacted via either no matter which number gets rang.
Wow. Having multiple phones is a problem for me because not only do I have to switch the SIM card between the two phones, but a very important super app WeChat will also lock itself up after it detects a new device and can only be unlocked by confirmation of my identity by two WeChat friends. Also, having two high-end phones means a waste of money for me - I would sell one of them to buy something else or invest the money in Bitcoin... Maybe I should try an S23 Ultra first from an online store to see how it compares to my S21 Ultra in reality.
Just found a video that contains side-by-side photo comparisons of the S21U and S23U at 1x, 3x, 10x, 30x and 100x, and also the 12.5MP, 50MP and 200MP modes of the S23U:

Side-by-side photo comparisons of S21U and S23U: Mobile Photography Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)
Interesting-- how is 100x achieved and what is the resolution used for it? How would it compare to the P1000?

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To those who don't value high-end camera phones:

Remember the old saying "Your best camera is the one with you"? Your phone is the camera always with you, so for a photography lover the first priority should be to get the camera phone as good as he/she can. For long-zoom lovers in this forum, the best camera phone means one that has the longest optical zoom, namely the S21 Ultra to S23 Ultra which have a 10x camera. In addition, resolution is closely related to zoom and is the next sexiest thing to zoom, or the new sexy in photography. That why the S23 Ultra which has both a 200MP and a 10x camera is so enticing to me.
Yes I always carry my iPhone 12 Pro Max and I have my s23 ultra for when I want a longer lens but still not carry both a camera and a phone.
Do they share the same SIM card or each use a separate card?
They have their own SIM cards but I got an app that allows me to clone my iPhone to an android device so I can be contacted via either no matter which number gets rang.
Wow. Having multiple phones is a problem for me because not only do I have to switch the SIM card between the two phones, but a very important super app WeChat will also lock itself up after it detects a new device and can only be unlocked by confirmation of my identity by two WeChat friends. Also, having two high-end phones means a waste of money for me - I would sell one of them to buy something else or invest the money in Bitcoin... Maybe I should try an S23 Ultra first from an online store to see how it compares to my S21 Ultra in reality.
Just found a video that contains side-by-side photo comparisons of the S21U and S23U at 1x, 3x, 10x, 30x and 100x, and also the 12.5MP, 50MP and 200MP modes of the S23U:

Side-by-side photo comparisons of S21U and S23U: Mobile Photography Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)
Interesting-- how is 100x achieved and what is the resolution used for it?
I don't know how 100x is achieved. I guess it combines the inputs from the 1x 200MP, 3x 10MP and 10x 10MP cameras.

My S21U's 100x shots are 12MP, so I guess the S23U does the same.
 
So it's actually a 12 MP sensor? That's more in line with what I expected.
No. I understand Samsung phones will default to 4000x3000 when the main camera is used, unless higher resolution is chosen, as far as I know.

Both my A12 and my daughter-in-law's S23 ultra behaves this way, pixel "binning" as Richard was talking about.

I don't mind that as the 48 MP photos from my A12 don't look any better than those 4000x3000 ones, just much bigger file sizes.
Is there any advantage to this pixel binning though vs simply downsampling the images on your computer?

EXR cameras also pixel bin, but they use it to improve dynamic range, which is useful.
I am pretty sure we are seeing pixel binning plus a whole lot of other stuff going on in-camera before the jpeg is created. Improving the features of the camera seem to be what cell phone manufacturers concentrate on with each new phone they bring to market, so they are using binning, artificial intelligence, multiple lenses, and other technologies to "improve" the cell phone cameras to give consumers new features with each new phone. Camera manufacturers already gave up on the compact market and are now concentrating on enthusiasts and professionals because they know, as technology continues to improve, fewer consumers will see a need to spend additional dollars on a standalone camera when they have a powerful enough camera in their smartphone.

A company like Nikon could become like Leica at some point, with more expensive products aimed at a specific market, as their base consumers get older and they fail to attract younger consumers. Sony and Canon are larger and more diversified, so they may be able to sustain longer, but I can easily see their camera and lens divisions shrinking in the future.
Thanks and where do you see companies like Fuji, M43 (Olympus and Panasonic) going? They have their own niche market for wildlife and specifically birding.
Fuji has carved out a nice niche in the crop frame market, so I continue to see them do well there. Nikon has only seemed to dip a toe in on crop frame or DX, and Canon and Sony also seem to be placing more emphasis on full frame. Panasonic is more diversified so I see them continuing higher end products, but they haven't updated their compact camera line in about 7 years. I think the days of the small compact cameras are behind us, especially as cell phone technology continues to improve and is good enough for most people needs (especially if they only post on social media).

I think the smaller camera companies could face more challenges down the road and will continue to need to diversify. Those of us who carry dedicated cameras are getting older and are not being replaced in big numbers by younger people.
 
So it's actually a 12 MP sensor? That's more in line with what I expected.
No. I understand Samsung phones will default to 4000x3000 when the main camera is used, unless higher resolution is chosen, as far as I know.

Both my A12 and my daughter-in-law's S23 ultra behaves this way, pixel "binning" as Richard was talking about.

I don't mind that as the 48 MP photos from my A12 don't look any better than those 4000x3000 ones, just much bigger file sizes.
Is there any advantage to this pixel binning though vs simply downsampling the images on your computer?

EXR cameras also pixel bin, but they use it to improve dynamic range, which is useful.
I am pretty sure we are seeing pixel binning plus a whole lot of other stuff going on in-camera before the jpeg is created. Improving the features of the camera seem to be what cell phone manufacturers concentrate on with each new phone they bring to market, so they are using binning, artificial intelligence, multiple lenses, and other technologies to "improve" the cell phone cameras to give consumers new features with each new phone. Camera manufacturers already gave up on the compact market and are now concentrating on enthusiasts and professionals because they know, as technology continues to improve, fewer consumers will see a need to spend additional dollars on a standalone camera when they have a powerful enough camera in their smartphone.

A company like Nikon could become like Leica at some point, with more expensive products aimed at a specific market, as their base consumers get older and they fail to attract younger consumers. Sony and Canon are larger and more diversified, so they may be able to sustain longer, but I can easily see their camera and lens divisions shrinking in the future.
Thanks and where do you see companies like Fuji, M43 (Olympus and Panasonic) going? They have their own niche market for wildlife and specifically birding.
Fuji has carved out a nice niche in the crop frame market, so I continue to see them do well there. Nikon has only seemed to dip a toe in on crop frame or DX, and Canon and Sony also seem to be placing more emphasis on full frame. Panasonic is more diversified so I see them continuing higher end products, but they haven't updated their compact camera line in about 7 years. I think the days of the small compact cameras are behind us, especially as cell phone technology continues to improve and is good enough for most people needs (especially if they only post on social media).

I think the smaller camera companies could face more challenges down the road and will continue to need to diversify. Those of us who carry dedicated cameras are getting older and are not being replaced in big numbers by younger people.
Pity, I thought Olympus would do well with its smaller line like the E-PL cameras, but they seem to have stopped those in favor of their larger bodies (which have many more features but are also much more expensive.)
 
To those who don't value high-end camera phones:

Remember the old saying "Your best camera is the one with you"? Your phone is the camera always with you, so for a photography lover the first priority should be to get the camera phone as good as he/she can. For long-zoom lovers in this forum, the best camera phone means one that has the longest optical zoom, namely the S21 Ultra to S23 Ultra which have a 10x camera. In addition, resolution is closely related to zoom and is the next sexiest thing to zoom, or the new sexy in photography. That why the S23 Ultra which has both a 200MP and a 10x camera is so enticing to me.
Yes I always carry my iPhone 12 Pro Max and I have my s23 ultra for when I want a longer lens but still not carry both a camera and a phone.
Do they share the same SIM card or each use a separate card?
They have their own SIM cards but I got an app that allows me to clone my iPhone to an android device so I can be contacted via either no matter which number gets rang.
Wow. Having multiple phones is a problem for me because not only do I have to switch the SIM card between the two phones, but a very important super app WeChat will also lock itself up after it detects a new device and can only be unlocked by confirmation of my identity by two WeChat friends. Also, having two high-end phones means a waste of money for me - I would sell one of them to buy something else or invest the money in Bitcoin... Maybe I should try an S23 Ultra first from an online store to see how it compares to my S21 Ultra in reality.
Just found a video that contains side-by-side photo comparisons of the S21U and S23U at 1x, 3x, 10x, 30x and 100x, and also the 12.5MP, 50MP and 200MP modes of the S23U:

Side-by-side photo comparisons of S21U and S23U: Mobile Photography Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)
Interesting-- how is 100x achieved and what is the resolution used for it?
I don't know how 100x is achieved. I guess it combines the inputs from the 1x 200MP, 3x 10MP and 10x 10MP cameras.

My S21U's 100x shots are 12MP, so I guess the S23U does the same.
Thanks, it would be interesting to compare them to the P1000! I wonder how well it would do with Kingfisher pictures!
 
To those who don't value high-end camera phones:

Remember the old saying "Your best camera is the one with you"? Your phone is the camera always with you, so for a photography lover the first priority should be to get the camera phone as good as he/she can. For long-zoom lovers in this forum, the best camera phone means one that has the longest optical zoom, namely the S21 Ultra to S23 Ultra which have a 10x camera. In addition, resolution is closely related to zoom and is the next sexiest thing to zoom, or the new sexy in photography. That why the S23 Ultra which has both a 200MP and a 10x camera is so enticing to me.
Yes I always carry my iPhone 12 Pro Max and I have my s23 ultra for when I want a longer lens but still not carry both a camera and a phone.
Do they share the same SIM card or each use a separate card?
They have their own SIM cards but I got an app that allows me to clone my iPhone to an android device so I can be contacted via either no matter which number gets rang.
Wow. Having multiple phones is a problem for me because not only do I have to switch the SIM card between the two phones, but a very important super app WeChat will also lock itself up after it detects a new device and can only be unlocked by confirmation of my identity by two WeChat friends. Also, having two high-end phones means a waste of money for me - I would sell one of them to buy something else or invest the money in Bitcoin... Maybe I should try an S23 Ultra first from an online store to see how it compares to my S21 Ultra in reality.
Just found a video that contains side-by-side photo comparisons of the S21U and S23U at 1x, 3x, 10x, 30x and 100x, and also the 12.5MP, 50MP and 200MP modes of the S23U:

Side-by-side photo comparisons of S21U and S23U: Mobile Photography Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)
Interesting-- how is 100x achieved and what is the resolution used for it?
I don't know how 100x is achieved. I guess it combines the inputs from the 1x 200MP, 3x 10MP and 10x 10MP cameras.

My S21U's 100x shots are 12MP, so I guess the S23U does the same.
Thanks, it would be interesting to compare them to the P1000! I wonder how well it would do with Kingfisher pictures!
I'm done with the kingfisher with my P1000...



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Got the S23U!



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I haven't got a chance to use it since the common kestrel last October, and my diagnosis of cataract is also a reason to sell it (the latest development on this matter is that I checked my blood suger level on January 1 and it's the most normal - the middle value of the normal range).

So I put my P1000 and accessories on China's largest online second-hand market Xianyu (literally "idle fish"). The lowest price of a new P1000 in China is 6999 yuan, while I bought mine for 6100. Good time to make some good money! I intend to buy an S23 Ultra whose 200MP mode I envy and 10x camera I need.

p.s. Some S21 Ultra 108MP shots and panoramas I took during recent trips to the Yangtze River at Jiangyin, Jiangsu, China:

Yuan Wang 2, a retired missle/rocket tracking ship:
The Jiangyin Yangtze Bridge:
 
So it's actually a 12 MP sensor? That's more in line with what I expected.
No. I understand Samsung phones will default to 4000x3000 when the main camera is used, unless higher resolution is chosen, as far as I know.

Both my A12 and my daughter-in-law's S23 ultra behaves this way, pixel "binning" as Richard was talking about.

I don't mind that as the 48 MP photos from my A12 don't look any better than those 4000x3000 ones, just much bigger file sizes.
Is there any advantage to this pixel binning though vs simply downsampling the images on your computer?

EXR cameras also pixel bin, but they use it to improve dynamic range, which is useful.
I am pretty sure we are seeing pixel binning plus a whole lot of other stuff going on in-camera before the jpeg is created. Improving the features of the camera seem to be what cell phone manufacturers concentrate on with each new phone they bring to market, so they are using binning, artificial intelligence, multiple lenses, and other technologies to "improve" the cell phone cameras to give consumers new features with each new phone. Camera manufacturers already gave up on the compact market and are now concentrating on enthusiasts and professionals because they know, as technology continues to improve, fewer consumers will see a need to spend additional dollars on a standalone camera when they have a powerful enough camera in their smartphone.

A company like Nikon could become like Leica at some point, with more expensive products aimed at a specific market, as their base consumers get older and they fail to attract younger consumers. Sony and Canon are larger and more diversified, so they may be able to sustain longer, but I can easily see their camera and lens divisions shrinking in the future.
Thanks and where do you see companies like Fuji, M43 (Olympus and Panasonic) going? They have their own niche market for wildlife and specifically birding.
Fuji has carved out a nice niche in the crop frame market, so I continue to see them do well there. Nikon has only seemed to dip a toe in on crop frame or DX, and Canon and Sony also seem to be placing more emphasis on full frame. Panasonic is more diversified so I see them continuing higher end products, but they haven't updated their compact camera line in about 7 years. I think the days of the small compact cameras are behind us, especially as cell phone technology continues to improve and is good enough for most people needs (especially if they only post on social media).

I think the smaller camera companies could face more challenges down the road and will continue to need to diversify. Those of us who carry dedicated cameras are getting older and are not being replaced in big numbers by younger people.
Pity, I thought Olympus would do well with its smaller line like the E-PL cameras, but they seem to have stopped those in favor of their larger bodies (which have many more features but are also much more expensive.)
I know Nikon has determined that there's more money (higher margins) making higher end products. Nikon used to sell a very high number of entry level D3000 series cameras, but the margins are much smaller than the much more expensive D850s. I remember not too long ago when Nikon and Canon were selling their entry level DSLRs at places like Costco and Walmart. Those days are over as the audience for larger cameras has shrunk.

I think Nikon (and other camera companies) still need to create and sell entry level models to get younger people into their "ecosystem." If they become more serious about their photography hobby they will eventually want more expensive camreas and more lenses.
 
Oh, I'd also like to hear your expert opinion on the S24U's 5x 50MP camera vs. the S23U's 10x 10MP. Some seemingly Samsung reps on the Mobile Photography Talk forum argued that the S24U was superior. From my own experience testing the Huawei Mate 40 Pro+'s 10x 8MP camera, the S21 Ultra's 10x 10MP and the Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra's 5x 48MP, the Mi 11 Ultra's 5x 48MP is the worst in a low light experiment (shooting a can in a dark box). So I think the S24U's 5x 50MP is a downgrade from the S21U-S23U's 10x 10MP.
I ve not looked into the s24 so couldn’t actually comment either way . What I can say is my P30pro seems to give me better images than the 23ultra .

Like my iPhone gives me a less saturated image with more detail than my 23u so a lot depends on personal taste and how your viewing them.
I just found the answer myself:

An expert compares S24U 10x and S23U 10x: Mobile Photography Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)
 
Nice , I’m sure you’ll enjoy it .
 

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