AF on Future Fuji xt models

[Edward Greenberg]

As an XT-3 owner I am mostly happy with the shots I get out of the camera. My main disappointment is AF on moving subjects. From the reviews of the XT-5 I get the impression that AF is improved but not greatly. Do you feel AF will always trail behind other manufacturers cameras or we might see significant improvement in the next iteration of the XT series. If that is the case I would probably keep my Xt-3 and upgrade when the next one is available.

 

[James A.]

As an XT-3 owner I am mostly happy with the shots I get out of the camera. My main disappointment is AF on moving subjects. From the reviews of the XT-5 I get the impression that AF is improved but not greatly. Do you feel AF will always trail behind other manufacturers cameras or we might see significant improvement in the next iteration of the XT series. If that is the case I would probably keep my Xt-3 and upgrade when the next one is available.

I think Fuji in due time will either match or excel in AF performance with future models compared to some of the competition. It may not with the X-T6 but I think it something Fuji is striving towards.

Let's put it this way, Fuji's AF system isn't going to get worse with each new camera release.

 

[Morris0]

As an XT-3 owner I am mostly happy with the shots I get out of the camera. My main disappointment is AF on moving subjects. From the reviews of the XT-5 I get the impression that AF is improved but not greatly. Do you feel AF will always trail behind other manufacturers cameras or we might see significant improvement in the next iteration of the XT series. If that is the case I would probably keep my Xt-3 and upgrade when the next one is available.

The following photos were taken with an X-T3:

Good night!

Morris

 

[ChrisGibbons001]

Mic drop by Morris lol, stunning images.

XT3 is such a great camera. I've gone from XT3 to XT5 and do live the new Autofocus personally but I don't believe it's actually helped me catch any image I wouldn't of got with the XT3, it just makes it a bit easier.

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@bychrisgibbons

 

[Morris0]

Mic drop by Morris lol, stunning images.

XT3 is such a great camera. I've gone from XT3 to XT5 and do live the new Autofocus personally but I don't believe it's actually helped me catch any image I wouldn't of got with the XT3, it just makes it a bit easier.

Making it easier is the whole idea of the newer technologies. I never had problems with manual exposure or manual focus yet the automagic technologies shore make it easier. By relieving the photographer of chores like focusing and exposure, we can pay more attention to composition helping us produce better images.

Morris

 

[Samuraidog]

As an XT-3 owner I am mostly happy with the shots I get out of the camera. My main disappointment is AF on moving subjects. From the reviews of the XT-5 I get the impression that AF is improved but not greatly. Do you feel AF will always trail behind other manufacturers cameras or we might see significant improvement in the next iteration of the XT series. If that is the case I would probably keep my Xt-3 and upgrade when the next one is available.

I think AF is significantly improved.

Within a year or two, I don't think there will be any difference in AF between camera manufacturers.

 

[Nielk Mike]

There is something inherently wrong with Fuji's AF. Of course there will be many shots in focus even with the old cameras - but there will also be a lot of images that are not perfectly sharp. Morris posting rather small (beautiful) images speaks to the point.

I am not sure what Fuji would have to do to get their AF up to the likes of Sony and Canon. It may require changes not only to the camera and it software, but also to the lenses and their software. The AF-S issue (inconsistent results) and focus beyond infinity are real (though the latter can be fixed using the Focus Distance Limiter).

It much depends on how important fast and accurate AF, in particular lock-on AF, is for you. I can live with the Fuji AF cause I am using my Fuji gear when AF is not so important.

But when I need reliable, consistent, quick lock-om eye/face Af - I take my Sony a7cR or a7IV.

And from what I hear, the X-T5 has improved subject detection and lock on a bit - but some of the old issues remain firmware updates not withstanding.

 

[a_c_skinner]

I was reading a review of the X-T5 the other day from Amateur Photographer magazine. Warm on the whole. The first "con" was "AF tracking slightly behind competitors". Who can tell if this will change, it seems true of the current cameras?

Morris shows the right person with the right settings can get perfect images of difficult moving objects with Fuji and I assume without a Faustian deal with the infernal regions.

There is no doubt Fuji knows about its position in the AF league and doubtless they realise it does feature in people's choice of system.

 

[Nielk Mike]

I was reading a review of the X-T5 the other day from Amateur Photographer magazine. Warm on the whole. The first "con" was "AF tracking slightly behind competitors". Who can tell if this will change, it seems true of the current cameras?

Morris shows the right person with the right settings can get perfect images of difficult moving objects with Fuji and I assume without a Faustian deal with the infernal regions.

Morris may be the master of AF settings - but frankly: I don't want to tell my camera whether my subject is moving, slow, up, down, towards me or sideways. I want my camera to do that for me. Aim at subject, lock-on, done. Like the A7Cr.

There is no doubt Fuji knows about its position in the AF league and doubtless they realise it does feature in people's choice of system.

The biggest issue with Fuji is reliabilty. Consistency. While I have many perfectly sharp images from my Fuji cameras, I always check and use work arounds to make sure they are in focus. And from what I read (and the very brief experience I had with an X-T5) that hasn't changed.

 

[Alan Hewitt Photo]

AF was pretty good on the X-H1, it just needed a bit too much tweaking to get there. I feel this 'tweaking' is where it lacked too much rather than the actual AF, if that makes sense.

With the X-T3, then the X-T4 I found the custom settings became a bit more forgiving and it was easier to get it right and get the most out of the AF more easily. I haven't used the X-T5 but I have used the X-H2 and it has continuously improved enormously. But, the X-H2S is the beast!

 

[The_Crow]

As an XT-3 owner I am mostly happy with the shots I get out of the camera. My main disappointment is AF on moving subjects. From the reviews of the XT-5 I get the impression that AF is improved but not greatly. Do you feel AF will always trail behind other manufacturers cameras or we might see significant improvement in the next iteration of the XT series. If that is the case I would probably keep my Xt-3 and upgrade when the next one is available.

I think AF is significantly improved.

Within a year or two, I don't think there will be any difference in AF between camera manufacturers.

SIGNIFICANTLY!

From X-T3 to X-T4 was already a big step,and the X-T5 matched the size of that step easily. The issues are

1. Yes, the competition also keep improving so Fujifilm seemingly keeps having to catch up.

2. Fujifilm's execution / application of their subject tracking AF is more complicated and needs some time and tweaking. When I shot Sony A7IV for a while it felt like I just needed to tell it (once) what I wanted to track and it got on with it. With Fujifilm you need to select subject (in another menu from Face/Eye), switching tracking on and selecting in is twp separate tasks abd require two separate button shortcuts, then zone, speed, type, etc, etc, etc all still play a roll.

For thise who know and eat Nando's...

Burger King:

1. Pick a meal

2. Pick a size

3. Pick a drink

Nando's:

1. Pick a meal

2. Do you want a normal bun or a Portuguese Roll?

3. Chips or wedges?

4. Normal chips or wedges or peri-peri chips or wedges?

5. Size?

6. Do you want to upsize your chips or wedges?

7. If yes or no should they still be the size you asked foe earlier today when you walked in that now seems like a year has passed?

8. Your burger... which flavor should it be? Lemon and herb, mild, medium, hot, are tou crasy hot, peri-peri hot or manager's special hot? (You can't just say, they have to give you all the options verbally)

9. What drink do you want?

10. Your drink... In a cup or a bottle?

11. What size should your drink of choice be?

12. Eat here or take away?

13. I noticed you have passed out, is that from hunger or too many questions?

14. Any sides?

15. Any sauces?

Get where I'm going with this?

 

[FujiJon]

As an XT-3 owner I am mostly happy with the shots I get out of the camera. My main disappointment is AF on moving subjects. From the reviews of the XT-5 I get the impression that AF is improved but not greatly. Do you feel AF will always trail behind other manufacturers cameras or we might see significant improvement in the next iteration of the XT series. If that is the case I would probably keep my Xt-3 and upgrade when the next one is available.

I think AF is significantly improved.

Within a year or two, I don't think there will be any difference in AF between camera manufacturers.

SIGNIFICANTLY!

From X-T3 to X-T4 was already a big step,and the X-T5 matched the size of that step easily. The issues are

1. Yes, the competition also keep improving so Fujifilm seemingly keeps having to catch up.

2. Fujifilm's execution / application of their subject tracking AF is more complicated and needs some time and tweaking. When I shot Sony A7IV for a while it felt like I just needed to tell it (once) what I wanted to track and it got on with it. With Fujifilm you need to select subject (in another menu from Face/Eye), switching tracking on and selecting in is twp separate tasks abd require two separate button shortcuts, then zone, speed, type, etc, etc, etc all still play a roll.

For thise who know and eat Nando's...

Burger King:

1. Pick a meal

2. Pick a size

3. Pick a drink

Nando's:

1. Pick a meal

2. Do you want a normal bun or a Portuguese Roll?

3. Chips or wedges?

4. Normal chips or wedges or peri-peri chips or wedges?

5. Size?

6. Do you want to upsize your chips or wedges?

7. If yes or no should they still be the size you asked foe earlier today when you walked in that now seems like a year has passed?

8. Your burger... which flavor should it be? Lemon and herb, mild, medium, hot, are tou crasy hot, peri-peri hot or manager's special hot? (You can't just say, they have to give you all the options verbally)

9. What drink do you want?

10. Your drink... In a cup or a bottle?

11. What size should your drink of choice be?

12. Eat here or take away?

13. I noticed you have passed out, is that from hunger or too many questions?

14. Any sides?

15. Any sauces?

Get where I'm going with this?

Probably an early grave if you keep eating that stuff

 

[RobRoy22]

As an XT-3 owner I am mostly happy with the shots I get out of the camera. My main disappointment is AF on moving subjects. From the reviews of the XT-5 I get the impression that AF is improved but not greatly. Do you feel AF will always trail behind other manufacturers cameras or we might see significant improvement in the next iteration of the XT series. If that is the case I would probably keep my Xt-3 and upgrade when the next one is available.

I think AF is significantly improved.

Within a year or two, I don't think there will be any difference in AF between camera manufacturers.

SIGNIFICANTLY!

From X-T3 to X-T4 was already a big step,and the X-T5 matched the size of that step easily. The issues are

1. Yes, the competition also keep improving so Fujifilm seemingly keeps having to catch up.

2. Fujifilm's execution / application of their subject tracking AF is more complicated and needs some time and tweaking. When I shot Sony A7IV for a while it felt like I just needed to tell it (once) what I wanted to track and it got on with it. With Fujifilm you need to select subject (in another menu from Face/Eye), switching tracking on and selecting in is twp separate tasks abd require two separate button shortcuts, then zone, speed, type, etc, etc, etc all still play a roll.

For thise who know and eat Nando's...

Burger King:

1. Pick a meal

2. Pick a size

3. Pick a drink

Nando's:

1. Pick a meal

2. Do you want a normal bun or a Portuguese Roll?

3. Chips or wedges?

4. Normal chips or wedges or peri-peri chips or wedges?

5. Size?

6. Do you want to upsize your chips or wedges?

7. If yes or no should they still be the size you asked foe earlier today when you walked in that now seems like a year has passed?

8. Your burger... which flavor should it be? Lemon and herb, mild, medium, hot, are tou crasy hot, peri-peri hot or manager's special hot? (You can't just say, they have to give you all the options verbally)

9. What drink do you want?

10. Your drink... In a cup or a bottle?

11. What size should your drink of choice be?

12. Eat here or take away?

13. I noticed you have passed out, is that from hunger or too many questions?

14. Any sides?

15. Any sauces?

Get where I'm going with this?

In the UK at least Nando's ambiance, service and eating experience is much more enjoyable! Don't dislike BK for a greedy bite while travelling, but Nando's is a minor treat occasionally while shopping or going to a movie. Also Nando's UK serve only chicken with various sides, not burgers. Not gonna try to use this as an analogy with Fujifilm.

 

[Morris0]

As an XT-3 owner I am mostly happy with the shots I get out of the camera. My main disappointment is AF on moving subjects. From the reviews of the XT-5 I get the impression that AF is improved but not greatly. Do you feel AF will always trail behind other manufacturers cameras or we might see significant improvement in the next iteration of the XT series. If that is the case I would probably keep my Xt-3 and upgrade when the next one is available.

I think AF is significantly improved.

Within a year or two, I don't think there will be any difference in AF between camera manufacturers.

SIGNIFICANTLY!

From X-T3 to X-T4 was already a big step,and the X-T5 matched the size of that step easily. The issues are

The X-T3 and X-T4 use the same AF system. Most think it's the same

Morris

1. Yes, the competition also keep improving so Fujifilm seemingly keeps having to catch up.

2. Fujifilm's execution / application of their subject tracking AF is more complicated and needs some time and tweaking. When I shot Sony A7IV for a while it felt like I just needed to tell it (once) what I wanted to track and it got on with it. With Fujifilm you need to select subject (in another menu from Face/Eye), switching tracking on and selecting in is twp separate tasks abd require two separate button shortcuts, then zone, speed, type, etc, etc, etc all still play a roll.

For thise who know and eat Nando's...

Burger King:

1. Pick a meal

2. Pick a size

3. Pick a drink

Nando's:

1. Pick a meal

2. Do you want a normal bun or a Portuguese Roll?

3. Chips or wedges?

4. Normal chips or wedges or peri-peri chips or wedges?

5. Size?

6. Do you want to upsize your chips or wedges?

7. If yes or no should they still be the size you asked foe earlier today when you walked in that now seems like a year has passed?

8. Your burger... which flavor should it be? Lemon and herb, mild, medium, hot, are tou crasy hot, peri-peri hot or manager's special hot? (You can't just say, they have to give you all the options verbally)

9. What drink do you want?

10. Your drink... In a cup or a bottle?

11. What size should your drink of choice be?

12. Eat here or take away?

13. I noticed you have passed out, is that from hunger or too many questions?

14. Any sides?

15. Any sauces?

Get where I'm going with this?

 

[Morris0]

There is something inherently wrong with Fuji's AF. Of course there will be many shots in focus even with the old cameras - but there will also be a lot of images that are not perfectly sharp. Morris posting rather small (beautiful) images speaks to the point.

I am not sure what Fuji would have to do to get their AF up to the likes of Sony and Canon. It may require changes not only to the camera and it software, but also to the lenses and their software. The AF-S issue (inconsistent results) and focus beyond infinity are real (though the latter can be fixed using the Focus Distance Limiter).

It much depends on how important fast and accurate AF, in particular lock-on AF, is for you. I can live with the Fuji AF cause I am using my Fuji gear when AF is not so important.

But when I need reliable, consistent, quick lock-om eye/face Af - I take my Sony a7cR or a7IV.

And from what I hear, the X-T5 has improved subject detection and lock on a bit - but some of the old issues remain firmware updates not withstanding.

The X-H2s is much more consistent that the X-T3. I get the same shots as those standing next to me with Sony, Canon, Nikon, and Olympus. We also randomly miss a few and there is no pattern to which brand will make a shot. If there is a difference between the brands top gear in ability to shoot action, it's tiny.

Morris

 

[Morris0]

I was reading a review of the X-T5 the other day from Amateur Photographer magazine. Warm on the whole. The first "con" was "AF tracking slightly behind competitors". Who can tell if this will change, it seems true of the current cameras?

Morris shows the right person with the right settings can get perfect images of difficult moving objects with Fuji and I assume without a Faustian deal with the infernal regions.

Realize that the X-T5 is not the top of the line for Fuji and they tell you if you want the AF speed to use the X-H2s.

Morris may be the master of AF settings - but frankly: I don't want to tell my camera whether my subject is moving, slow, up, down, towards me or sideways. I want my camera to do that for me. Aim at subject, lock-on, done. Like the A7Cr.

The trick with every brand is to stay on the subject so the camera can figure out what the subject is and then track it. Once you can do this, it will not matter what brand you use if using the top of the line. If you are using mid tear, some brands do better than others.

Morris

There is no doubt Fuji knows about its position in the AF league and doubtless they realise it does feature in people's choice of system.

The biggest issue with Fuji is reliabilty. Consistency. While I have many perfectly sharp images from my Fuji cameras, I always check and use work arounds to make sure they are in focus. And from what I read (and the very brief experience I had with an X-T5) that hasn't changed.

I hardly ever check for focus as I know I've made the shot if I had it framed. The only reason I will check is for shutter speed when the light changes.

Morris

 

[John Gellings]

As an XT-3 owner I am mostly happy with the shots I get out of the camera. My main disappointment is AF on moving subjects. From the reviews of the XT-5 I get the impression that AF is improved but not greatly. Do you feel AF will always trail behind other manufacturers cameras or we might see significant improvement in the next iteration of the XT series. If that is the case I would probably keep my Xt-3 and upgrade when the next one is available.

Fuji will always improve and so will the others. If the “best” autofocus is your fetish, than right now… it’s better to move to another company.

 

[Nielk Mike]

There is something inherently wrong with Fuji's AF. Of course there will be many shots in focus even with the old cameras - but there will also be a lot of images that are not perfectly sharp. Morris posting rather small (beautiful) images speaks to the point.

I am not sure what Fuji would have to do to get their AF up to the likes of Sony and Canon. It may require changes not only to the camera and it software, but also to the lenses and their software. The AF-S issue (inconsistent results) and focus beyond infinity are real (though the latter can be fixed using the Focus Distance Limiter).

It much depends on how important fast and accurate AF, in particular lock-on AF, is for you. I can live with the Fuji AF cause I am using my Fuji gear when AF is not so important.

But when I need reliable, consistent, quick lock-om eye/face Af - I take my Sony a7cR or a7IV.

And from what I hear, the X-T5 has improved subject detection and lock on a bit - but some of the old issues remain firmware updates not withstanding.

The X-H2s is much more consistent that the X-T3. I get the same shots as those standing next to me with Sony, Canon, Nikon, and Olympus. We also randomly miss a few and there is no pattern to which brand will make a shot. If there is a difference between the brands top gear in ability to shoot action, it's tiny.

Morris

Not my experience using humble AF-S, but being able to instantly lock-on and follow with the a7cR with a push of a button- and with gerat confidence.

 

[Nielk Mike]

I was reading a review of the X-T5 the other day from Amateur Photographer magazine. Warm on the whole. The first "con" was "AF tracking slightly behind competitors". Who can tell if this will change, it seems true of the current cameras?

Morris shows the right person with the right settings can get perfect images of difficult moving objects with Fuji and I assume without a Faustian deal with the infernal regions.

Realize that the X-T5 is not the top of the line for Fuji and they tell you if you want the AF speed to use the X-H2s.

It is not the speed - it is about reliability and consistency.

Morris may be the master of AF settings - but frankly: I don't want to tell my camera whether my subject is moving, slow, up, down, towards me or sideways. I want my camera to do that for me. Aim at subject, lock-on, done. Like the A7Cr.

The trick with every brand is to stay on the subject so the camera can figure out what the subject is and then track it. Once you can do this, it will not matter what brand you use if using the top of the line. If you are using mid tear, some brands do better than others.

Morris

Never touched an X-H - probably never will. But why would their AF be more reliable and consistent than that of the X-T line? It is a different design (PSAM vs. Retro) - but are you saying that Fuji is intentionally offering lower grade AF on their top of the line X-T model? I'd be rather surprised (and concerned).

There is no doubt Fuji knows about its position in the AF league and doubtless they realise it does feature in people's choice of system.

The biggest issue with Fuji is reliabilty. Consistency. While I have many perfectly sharp images from my Fuji cameras, I always check and use work arounds to make sure they are in focus. And from what I read (and the very brief experience I had with an X-T5) that hasn't changed.

I hardly ever check for focus as I know I've made the shot if I had it framed. The only reason I will check is for shutter speed when the light changes.

Morris

 

[Morris0]

There is something inherently wrong with Fuji's AF. Of course there will be many shots in focus even with the old cameras - but there will also be a lot of images that are not perfectly sharp. Morris posting rather small (beautiful) images speaks to the point.

I am not sure what Fuji would have to do to get their AF up to the likes of Sony and Canon. It may require changes not only to the camera and it software, but also to the lenses and their software. The AF-S issue (inconsistent results) and focus beyond infinity are real (though the latter can be fixed using the Focus Distance Limiter).

It much depends on how important fast and accurate AF, in particular lock-on AF, is for you. I can live with the Fuji AF cause I am using my Fuji gear when AF is not so important.

But when I need reliable, consistent, quick lock-om eye/face Af - I take my Sony a7cR or a7IV.

And from what I hear, the X-T5 has improved subject detection and lock on a bit - but some of the old issues remain firmware updates not withstanding.

The X-H2s is much more consistent that the X-T3. I get the same shots as those standing next to me with Sony, Canon, Nikon, and Olympus. We also randomly miss a few and there is no pattern to which brand will make a shot. If there is a difference between the brands top gear in ability to shoot action, it's tiny.

Morris

Not my experience using humble AF-S, but being able to instantly lock-on and follow with the a7cR with a push of a button- and with gerat confidence.

Why are you using AF-S for action? There is your problem. You should be using AF-C!

Morris