DXO PL7 vs Capture 1 Pro

[Pixel8888]

Eil Infante has a YouTube video demonstrating how an AI mask, saved in a style, can be applied to multiple completely different images.
The AI masking feature in C1 is a kind of amazing, all offline, without the crunching power of cloud server.

Nice bonus is the coupon code on his YouTube channel to get the "Beyond Film Style Pack!" for free.

https://www.captureone.com/en/products/styles/beyond-film-styles

 

[Ab S]

..I think we agree on most things here

 

[Jestertheclown]

Just be aware that there is an awful lot in C1. Ask any questions and I am sure people on here will be only too pleased to help.

C1's UI is completely configurable so you can adapt it to how you want.

Ian

Agreed.

In the thirty days (?) you'll barely scratch the surface.

I've got C1 and PL7 on here.

I've been a user of C1 for years, PL is more recent but as it stands, in my opinion, C1 beats it hands down in most departments but your choice will depend upon your requirements.


"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

 

[ATP62]

Highlight recovery is better!!!

I don't use C1 , so i don't know if it's better. Recovering Highlight in DxO is difficult , but you can get very good result , if you know what you are doing.

I would love to see a challenging contest between C1 and DxO ......

 

[Digital Nigel]

Highlight recovery is better!!!

I don't use C1 , so i don't know if it's better. Recovering Highlight in DxO is difficult , but you can get very good result , if you know what you are doing.

And, remember that with PL7+FP7 you now have extremely precise control of highlight recovery, far more than with previous PL releases. You can specify exactly which ranges of highlights to reduce, in the whole or masked areas of the image.

I would love to see a challenging contest between C1 and DxO ......

Yes, it would be good if someone could provide a good raw test file. I'd love to try PL7 on it, though I must admit that I'm not yet expert in using the new filter (I only installed it yesterday).

 

[ATP62]

I agree , the new Luminosity mask is a game changer. It's similar to Lumenzia and TK9 in Photoshop.

I have just upgraded , so it will take some time to learn how to use it.

 

[CompleteUtterNonsense]

Just be aware that there is an awful lot in C1. Ask any questions and I am sure people on here will be only too pleased to help.

C1's UI is completely configurable so you can adapt it to how you want.

Ian

Agreed.

In the thirty days (?) you'll barely scratch the surface.

I've got C1 and PL7 on here.

I've been a user of C1 for years, PL is more recent but as it stands, in my opinion, C1 beats it hands down in most departments but your choice will depend upon your requirements.

"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

One thing this thread has done is to clarify my thoughts on what I want.

The myriad of features in C1 are not really relevant at this time. What I want, or think I want, is better masking to do selective edits. I think that will take me to another level with my editing.

It should not take too long to figure out if the C1 masking will help me do what I want. If it does, it's the right program for me. If it doesn't, I can maybe go to PL7 for the sharpening and lens profiles.

In general I like a very light touch with editing. I'm not looking to create an alternate reality or internet worthy pop. I want to be able to selectively do minor tweeks to images to enhance what is already there.

I recently went to a photo show and one of the presenters I watched really had me scratching my head. He essentially added the same tweeks to every image he edited so that they all had this sameness completely obliterating what made each scene unique.

That is the antithesis of what I want to achieve.

 

[TorsteinH]

I agree , the new Luminosity mask is a game changer. It's similar to Lumenzia and TK9 in Photoshop.

I have just upgraded , so it will take some time to learn how to use it.

I have found that the Luminosity mask is more useful than I first imagined. As an example can I in many cases just select a complete sky with the new mask, before that I had to use the Control Line.

 

[Jestertheclown]

Just be aware that there is an awful lot in C1. Ask any questions and I am sure people on here will be only too pleased to help.

C1's UI is completely configurable so you can adapt it to how you want.

Ian

Agreed.

In the thirty days (?) you'll barely scratch the surface.

I've got C1 and PL7 on here.

I've been a user of C1 for years, PL is more recent but as it stands, in my opinion, C1 beats it hands down in most departments but your choice will depend upon your requirements.

"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

One thing this thread has done is to clarify my thoughts on what I want.

The myriad of features in C1 are not really relevant at this time. What I want, or think I want, is better masking to do selective edits. I think that will take me to another level with my editing.

It should not take too long to figure out if the C1 masking will help me do what I want. If it does, it's the right program for me. If it doesn't, I can maybe go to PL7 for the sharpening and lens profiles.

In general I like a very light touch with editing. I'm not looking to create an alternate reality or internet worthy pop. I want to be able to selectively do minor tweeks to images to enhance what is already there.

I recently went to a photo show and one of the presenters I watched really had me scratching my head. He essentially added the same tweeks to every image he edited so that they all had this sameness completely obliterating what made each scene unique.

That is the antithesis of what I want to achieve.

It sounds as if Photolab will probably do the trick.

I use it predominantly on images that, as in your case, I don't want to do much to (or with). I find it's pretty good if i want to clean things up with a few clicks and move on.

I'm not, however, convinced that, despite its reputation, its noise reduction is the best out there.

Bear in mind though, that with not-a-lot of practice you can also do that with Capture One and you'll still have a sizable arsenal that you can use should you ever choose to.

"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

 

[Digital Nigel]

I agree , the new Luminosity mask is a game changer. It's similar to Lumenzia and TK9 in Photoshop.

I have just upgraded , so it will take some time to learn how to use it.

I have found that the Luminosity mask is more useful than I first imagined. As an example can I in many cases just select a complete sky with the new mask, before that I had to use the Control Line.

Yes, I'm coming to the same conclusion.

Something that wasn't immediately obvious to me is that you can extend or reduce the luminosity masked area using the brush and eraser tools. And, of course, you can apply multiple luminosity masks to an image.

 

[Ab S]

One thing this thread has done is to clarify my thoughts on what I want.

The myriad of features in C1 are not really relevant at this time. What I want, or think I want, is better masking to do selective edits. I think that will take me to another level with my editing.

It should not take too long to figure out if the C1 masking will help me do what I want. If it does, it's the right program for me. If it doesn't, I can maybe go to PL7 for the sharpening and lens profiles.

In general I like a very light touch with editing. I'm not looking to create an alternate reality or internet worthy pop. I want to be able to selectively do minor tweeks to images to enhance what is already there.

I recently went to a photo show and one of the presenters I watched really had me scratching my head. He essentially added the same tweeks to every image he edited so that they all had this sameness completely obliterating what made each scene unique.

That is the antithesis of what I want to achieve.

..if you want to do easy masking then especially PL is suitable: they have U/Control point technology. Just point to the subject (of a color) you want to mask, specify a radius around it and ready is the mask. Unbeatable simple!

 

[chopsteeks]

Wow. This is a great thread for someone considering these 2 softwares. All you need to know + more.

 

[IanYorke]

One thing this thread has done is to clarify my thoughts on what I want.

The myriad of features in C1 are not really relevant at this time. What I want, or think I want, is better masking to do selective edits. I think that will take me to another level with my editing.

It should not take too long to figure out if the C1 masking will help me do what I want. If it does, it's the right program for me. If it doesn't, I can maybe go to PL7 for the sharpening and lens profiles.

In general I like a very light touch with editing. I'm not looking to create an alternate reality or internet worthy pop. I want to be able to selectively do minor tweeks to images to enhance what is already there.

I recently went to a photo show and one of the presenters I watched really had me scratching my head. He essentially added the same tweeks to every image he edited so that they all had this sameness completely obliterating what made each scene unique.

That is the antithesis of what I want to achieve.

..if you want to do easy masking then especially PL is suitable: they have U/Control point technology. Just point to the subject (of a color) you want to mask, specify a radius around it and ready is the mask. Unbeatable simple!

Having used Photolab since V1 I afraid we will have to disagree with that.

Magic brush and AI masking in C1 is far superior.

Ian

 

[sybersitizen]

One thing this thread has done is to clarify my thoughts on what I want.

The myriad of features in C1 are not really relevant at this time. What I want, or think I want, is better masking to do selective edits. I think that will take me to another level with my editing.

... if you want to do easy masking then especially PL is suitable: they have U/Control point technology. Just point to the subject (of a color) you want to mask, specify a radius around it and ready is the mask. Unbeatable simple!

Control points and control lines and some other PhotoLab masking tools are very useful for some types of masking. But auto masking around complex subjects is difficult to work with and imprecise compared to other products, at least for me. I always dread using it.

 

[IanYorke]

One thing this thread has done is to clarify my thoughts on what I want.

The myriad of features in C1 are not really relevant at this time. What I want, or think I want, is better masking to do selective edits. I think that will take me to another level with my editing.

... if you want to do easy masking then especially PL is suitable: they have U/Control point technology. Just point to the subject (of a color) you want to mask, specify a radius around it and ready is the mask. Unbeatable simple!

Control points and control lines and some other PhotoLab masking tools are very useful for some types of masking. But auto masking around complex subjects is difficult to work with and imprecise compared to other products, at least for me. I always dread using it.

I suggest that you download a 30 day trial of C1and see what modern masking looks like.

Imagine if the control point had edge detection as well as colour/tone? Then you can refine or feather the mask with a single slider, and even apply a luma range to the selection. Masking in C1 is simply in another league.

I hope DXO will introduce similar capabilities in future versions, coupled with control point/lines would be excellent.

Ian

 

[Ab S]

One thing this thread has done is to clarify my thoughts on what I want.

The myriad of features in C1 are not really relevant at this time. What I want, or think I want, is better masking to do selective edits. I think that will take me to another level with my editing.

... if you want to do easy masking then especially PL is suitable: they have U/Control point technology. Just point to the subject (of a color) you want to mask, specify a radius around it and ready is the mask. Unbeatable simple!

Control points and control lines and some other PhotoLab masking tools are very useful for some types of masking. But auto masking around complex subjects is difficult to work with and imprecise compared to other products, at least for me. I always dread using it.

I suggest that you download a 30 day trial of C1and see what modern masking looks like.

Imagine if the control point had edge detection as well as colour/tone? Then you can refine or feather the mask with a single slider, and even apply a luma range to the selection. Masking in C1 is simply in another league.

I hope DXO will introduce similar capabilities in future versions, coupled with control point/lines would be excellent.

Ian

I fully agree that the current auto-masking of PL is unpredictable and user unfriendly, but the control points (and lines) are - within their use cases - simple and effective.

 

[sybersitizen]

One thing this thread has done is to clarify my thoughts on what I want.

The myriad of features in C1 are not really relevant at this time. What I want, or think I want, is better masking to do selective edits. I think that will take me to another level with my editing.

... if you want to do easy masking then especially PL is suitable: they have U/Control point technology. Just point to the subject (of a color) you want to mask, specify a radius around it and ready is the mask. Unbeatable simple!

Control points and control lines and some other PhotoLab masking tools are very useful for some types of masking. But auto masking around complex subjects is difficult to work with and imprecise compared to other products, at least for me. I always dread using it.

I suggest that you download a 30 day trial of C1and see what modern masking looks like.

I have other tools for that.

Imagine if the control point had edge detection as well as colour/tone? Then you can refine or feather the mask with a single slider, and even apply a luma range to the selection. Masking in C1 is simply in another league.

I hope DXO will introduce similar capabilities in future versions, coupled with control point/lines would be excellent.

Yep. Improved subject masking (both auto and manual) in PL would be a great thing.

 

[Ab S]

I suggest that you download a 30 day trial of C1and see what modern masking looks like.

I have other tools for that.

Which tools, if I may ask?

Thanks

 

[Pixel8888]

I suggest that you download a 30 day trial of C1and see what modern masking looks like.

I have other tools for that.

Which tools, if I may ask?

Thanks

AI MASKING in a style, batch processed to multiple not identical images, allows a high level of automation. Look at the Eli Infante video. It's in the last third of the video. About 12:30 minutes.

 

[sybersitizen]

I suggest that you download a 30 day trial of C1and see what modern masking looks like.

I have other tools for that.

Which tools, if I may ask?

Affinity Photo and an ancient version of Photoshop - which is often easier to use for detailed masking than PhotoLab's method even though it's far from modern.