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I found this lens for a good price second hand, and bought it for the shallow DoF and subject separation, especially for portrait and fashion.

With that in mind, soft corners, heavy vignetting, pronounced LoCa, and some softness wide open shouldn't be too important. Also, knowing that OOF highlights away from center wide open aren't circles but cat's eyes, I can work around it, so one could say it's fit for purpose.

But TBH, I'm disappointed. A lens that does only one thing well — and not even that well — is not just an expense, it also takes up space, both literally, and in the mind, for other solutions.

I like it, and will probably keep it, because it's smaller and less intimidating for portraits than the RF 70-200/2.8 L, and the f/1.4 offers the power of background separation.

For what it's worth, it's also a nicely designed lens, although I think the metallic red ring is not really deserved. I actually toy with the idea of painting it black.

I'm not so happy about the heavy vignetting, pronounced cat's eyes, soft corners, LoCa, and (less important to me) lack of IS.

The lens is not to blame for the lack of digital correction in camera and in DPP, but it's an irritant as well. The vignetting can be fixed in Affinity Photo, and probably in most other editors.

The current market price is difficult to ascertain, but looking at the nearly identical lens for Sony FE, one should not be surprised if the RF version is more expensive: It's only available pre-owned, an RF lens with those specs is attractive, and there's no direct OEM competitor, other than the EF 85/1.4 IS L, which will need an adapter.

My evaluation is of course highly subjective and you may prioritise differently, but now you're warned.
 
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I found this lens for a good price second hand, and bought it for the shallow DoF and subject separation, especially for portrait and fashion.

With that in mind, soft corners, heavy vignetting, pronounced LoCa, and some softness wide open shouldn't be too important. Also, knowing that OOF highlights away from center wide open aren't circles but cat's eyes, I can work around it, so one could say it's fit for purpose.
I think you're being overly harsh. I've owned and used this lens in my event work for three years now, and I have no issues with its optical or AF performance.

From Dustin Abbott's review:

LoCA:

"There is a mild amount of longitudinal CA (LoCA) which has fairly minimal impact on real world shooting."

Vignetting:

"Vignette becomes very mild by F2 and essentially gone by F2.8. This is actually quite a good performance for a wide aperture 85mm lens. Lenses like the Zeiss Otus or Milvus 85mm lenses show very heavy vignette at wide apertures."

TBF, LensTip finds pretty strong vignetting at f1.4. I don't see it because DxO's lens profile fixes it, and other mild imperfections, beautifully.

Sharpness:

"This is a nice balance between sharpness and contrast for a portrait lens."

"Sharpness rises to excellent levels in the center of the frame at F2 and the corners reach very good levels"

"By F2.8, the lens is extremely sharp across the frame."
But TBH, I'm disappointed. A lens that does only one thing well — and not even that well
It did this extremely well:

Sony a7RIII, Samyang 85mm f1.4 @ f1.4, 1/200s, ISO 25,600, processed with DxO PhotoLab
Sony a7RIII, Samyang 85mm f1.4 @ f1.4, 1/200s, ISO 25,600, processed with DxO PhotoLab
— is not just an expense
A gratifyingly minimal expense. I mean, $500 for a brand-new AF 85/1.4? Are you kidding me? For this kind and quality of lens, that's chump change.
, it also takes up space
Show me an 85/1.4 that doesn't.
, both literally, and in the mind, for other solutions.

I like it
Sure doesn't sound that way.
, and will probably keep it, because it's smaller and less intimidating for portraits than the RF 70-200/2.8 L, and the f/1.4 offers the power of background separation.

For what it's worth, it's also a nicely designed lens, although I think the metallic red ring is not really deserved. I actually toy with the idea of painting it black.

I'm not so happy about the heavy vignetting, pronounced cat's eyes, soft corners, LoCa, and (less important to me) lack of IS.
Show me an 85/1.4 that has built-in IS.
The lens is not to blame for the lack of digital correction in camera and in DPP, but it's an irritant as well.
DPP is an irritant. Try Adobe Lightroom Classic or DxO PhotoLab. The latter has a custom profile for this lens that does a fantastic job.
The vignetting can be fixed in Affinity Photo, and probably in most other editors.

The current market price is difficult to ascertain, but looking at the nearly identical lens for Sony FE, one should not be surprised if the RF version is more expensive: It's only available pre-owned, an RF lens with those specs is attractive, and there's no direct OEM competitor, other than the EF 85/1.4 IS L, which will need an adapter.

My evaluation is of course highly subjective and you may prioritise differently, but now you're warned.
Glad I didn't listen to you before I bought mine.

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Thank you for chiming in. I'm glad the lens works for you.

I suppose most people would just sell it if they didn't like it, but there's so much talk about it that I thought I'd share my experience.

Good luck and good light.
 
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I like it, and will probably keep it, because it's smaller and less intimidating for portraits than the RF 70-200/2.8 L, and the f/1.4 offers the power of background separation.

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I still own the lens and have used it for the reasons I stated above. The shallow DoF has proved useful for the make believe fashion photography I do for a local Red Cross thrift store, and also for the standardised head shots of the board and management of the local Red Cross chapter.

In those respects it's useful, and until I win the lottery and can buy the RF 85/1.2 L, it'll have to do — although "making do" isn't really what I do best ;-)
 
Interesting that your version is subpar. I got mine second hand (for Sony FE) for $575 a couple of years ago and it is my no questions go-to lens for portraits when I want them to pop. I sold my Sony 85 1.8FE after getting the Samyang. The rendering was just more pleasing. I do have the first version of the Samy as well.

I say that to say mine suffers from no sharpness weaknesses or AF tracking. Keeps up with kids running around fine, and really captures great images at 1.4-1.8 when they get just close enough to fill most of the frame. I don't think you got a good copy unfortunately although it could very well just be the RF versions of the 1st model not being as good for whatever reason. :(
 
Interesting that your version is subpar. I got mine second hand (for Sony FE) for $575 a couple of years ago and it is my no questions go-to lens for portraits when I want them to pop. I sold my Sony 85 1.8FE after getting the Samyang. The rendering was just more pleasing. I do have the first version of the Samy as well.

I say that to say mine suffers from no sharpness weaknesses or AF tracking. Keeps up with kids running around fine, and really captures great images at 1.4-1.8 when they get just close enough to fill most of the frame. I don't think you got a good copy unfortunately although it could very well just be the RF versions of the 1st model not being as good for whatever reason. :(
It could also be that my expectations were too great.

There's been a lot of hype about primes being optically superior to zooms and a lot of whining about how Canon was cheating it's customers by not opening the RF mount to third parties.

IMHO, the Samyang offers a reality check on those claims. It's not expensive, and you get what you pay for, but no free lunch is included.
 
I found this 85MM shootout on youtube.

But it's about Z mount lenses and the Samyang isn't mentioned, so how is this relevant?
 

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