Need a D7500 successor. Z70?

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I love using my Z50. I have earned its purchase price many times over from happy clients.
2019 was a long time ago in camera tech and the Z50 was originally marketed as a creator's camera. I'd like a DX that's aimed at the same target audience as the D7500, advanced enthusiast. There are plenty of FX options in Nikon's own stable that provide extreme performance for those that demand it, but I'd like to keep the excellent DX glass that I have.
My "Z70" is Z50 size with ZF performance features. I could even skip IBIS (I have VR lenses, a tripod, a steady hand AND a gimble) If I could have the new video specs (H.265 10bit), UHS-II SD + micro-SD card slots, an improved sensor with more resolution and less color noise in low-light video, flippy screen with focus point nav in viewfinder, 1/8000 - 900sec shutter speeds for stills, focus stacking, Bluetooth audio monitoring and of course, USB-C.
 
IMy "Z70" is Z50 size with ZF performance features. I could even skip IBIS (I have VR lenses, a tripod, a steady hand AND a gimble) If I could have the new video specs (H.265 10bit), UHS-II SD + micro-SD card slots, an improved sensor with more resolution and less color noise in low-light video, flippy screen with focus point nav in viewfinder, 1/8000 - 900sec shutter speeds for stills, focus stacking, Bluetooth audio monitoring and of course, USB-C.
If Nikon has a strategy for the future of Z-mount DX products, it's a deep dark secret. My own guess is that a D500 successor would make more sense than a D7500, but Nikon's repeatedly demonstrated a fear of "cannibalization," and I fear that would prevent them from introducing a serious competitor to Canon's R7 or Fuji's X-T5. Nikon would also have to introduce a higher-end DX mid-range zoom.
 
I really hope that Nikon keeps the DX users in their list of customer base that they want to keep, but just not sure at this point. I'm old enough to get along with what they have in Z bodies and used DSLR availability, but would hate to see future prospective customers not have Nikon as a choice for their crop sensor needs.
 
I'd like a DX that's aimed at the same target audience as the D7500, advanced enthusiast.
I know a lot of people ask for this, but the D7500 had a decent array of lenses (including 3rd party) available for it. What are people looking for a mirrorless D7500 (or D500 for that matter) looking to put on it for lenses ?
Personally, I threw in the towel and moved* from a D7500 to a Z5. The lens selection for FX is just too good. But then, I was always more interested in midrange SLRs and DSLRs for the pentaprism VF and controls than for performance features. The Z5 on sale for $1000 was a no brainer for me. (* I haven't fully migrated away from my D7500 as I haven't bought a long tele for Z mount yet).
 
My "Z70" is Z50 size with ZF performance features. I could even skip IBIS (I have VR lenses, a tripod, a steady hand AND a gimble) If I could have the new video specs (H.265 10bit), UHS-II SD + micro-SD card slots, an improved sensor with more resolution and less color noise in low-light video, flippy screen with focus point nav in viewfinder, 1/8000 - 900sec shutter speeds for stills, focus stacking, Bluetooth audio monitoring and of course, USB-C.
The main pain points for me with the Z50 for video, and it's a long list, lack of tally light, useless flip down screen, 30 min record limit, no power over USB and poor batteries (which took nearly two years to come into stock - had to fix with dummy battery and PSU). I don't find the eye autofocus that good (which took a while to come via firmware updates) though I use manual focus 99% of the time.

Better video specs would be nice but I do like the 4K output from the Z50, it's very underrated as a video tool. There's a danger if we go for this magical higher resolution sensor we'll actually make low light performance worse.

Lack of decent wide angle DX lenses hurt too - it's taken years, literally, for the 12mm power zoom to finally come out, there's a 16mm Sigma now and some third party offerings, but we need something like a 10mm, 12mm etc wide prime for DX.

Agreed on focus stacking, H265, longer shutter speed options etc.
 
I'd like a DX that's aimed at the same target audience as the D7500, advanced enthusiast.
I know a lot of people ask for this, but the D7500 had a decent array of lenses (including 3rd party) available for it. What are people looking for a mirrorless D7500 (or D500 for that matter) looking to put on it for lenses ?

Personally, I threw in the towel and moved* from a D7500 to a Z5. The lens selection for FX is just too good. But then, I was always more interested in midrange SLRs and DSLRs for the pentaprism VF and controls than for performance features. The Z5 on sale for $1000 was a no brainer for me. (* I haven't fully migrated away from my D7500 as I haven't bought a long tele for Z mount yet).
I ditched the idea of buying a D7500 in January,
and bought a Z30 as a starting point for my return with a camera.

I'm still waiting finally the semi-pro features in a DX body like Z30:

Z4 - DX 36Mp - 5" monitor wireless - weight 400-490gr - price 2.7-3K

a gripped small body ... and no EVF is fine with me.
To see what I'm doing, I don't need to look in an as hole,
and doing so, limiting the position of the camera.

I'm now sure I will never buy an FX.
At some time I even considered buying a Z8 for features, until I handled it.
Near 1kg with an L bracket, no reasons to manage that weight. I don't get paid.

( probably the ZF is a test camera as the ZFc was - let's hope for the next one )

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I'd like a DX that's aimed at the same target audience as the D7500, advanced enthusiast.
I know a lot of people ask for this, but the D7500 had a decent array of lenses (including 3rd party) available for it. What are people looking for a mirrorless D7500 (or D500 for that matter) looking to put on it for lenses ?

Personally, I threw in the towel and moved* from a D7500 to a Z5. The lens selection for FX is just too good. But then, I was always more interested in midrange SLRs and DSLRs for the pentaprism VF and controls than for performance features. The Z5 on sale for $1000 was a no brainer for me. (* I haven't fully migrated away from my D7500 as I haven't bought a long tele for Z mount yet).
I similarly moved from D7500 to Z5, and the long lens is my big gap, too. I was initially disappointed with using AF-S DX lenses on the Z5 because the were only 10MP, but I went back after a year and revisited the question. I used the 18-300 DX and the 55-200 DX to take the same photos on the D7500 and the Z5 and compared them side-by-side and the only difference I could see (even at 100% on the 10MP) was that the Z5 had better color and edges were a little crisper. Obviously I could crop further on the D7500 images, but otherwise I concluded that for my rare long-lens needs I could live with either of these lenses on the Z5.

Someday I'll bite the bullet and get a longer Z lens, but there are a few shorter primes in line ahead of it knowing I can use the legacy longer lens I already have when necessary.
 
I know a lot of people ask for this, but the D7500 had a decent array of lenses (including 3rd party) available for it. What are people looking for a mirrorless D7500 (or D500 for that matter) looking to put on it for lenses ?
There are more Z mount DX lenses available than I would have anticipated two years ago. Viltrox and Sigma both make Z mount DX prime lenses. As with the F-mount, you can use full frame glass for long focal lengths, because at 100mm+ it doesn't add much to the weight of the lens to support FX instead of just DX. The main omission I can see at this point is a fast midrange zoom (e.g. 18-55mm f/2.8).
 
I love using my Z50. I have earned its purchase price many times over from happy clients.
2019 was a long time ago in camera tech and the Z50 was originally marketed as a creator's camera. I'd like a DX that's aimed at the same target audience as the D7500, advanced enthusiast. There are plenty of FX options in Nikon's own stable that provide extreme performance for those that demand it, but I'd like to keep the excellent DX glass that I have.
My "Z70" is Z50 size with ZF performance features. I could even skip IBIS (I have VR lenses, a tripod, a steady hand AND a gimble) If I could have the new video specs (H.265 10bit), UHS-II SD + micro-SD card slots, an improved sensor with more resolution and less color noise in low-light video, flippy screen with focus point nav in viewfinder, 1/8000 - 900sec shutter speeds for stills, focus stacking, Bluetooth audio monitoring and of course, USB-C.
A Z50 style camera that has Zf like performance would probably just be a Z50 II although I think IBIS should come to that platform.

We’ll see in due time but I think all EXPEED 7 gen cameras will perform at similar levels to a Zf or better.
 
There are so many requests for successors to various Nikon DSLR lines and I really think most (not all) of these people are setting themselves up for disappointment or at least are missing what Nikon has chosen to offer for these market segments.

I think we might see some kind of D500 successor, though I am at least a little skeptical. As for all the other ones, I think the "successors" are already on the market.

The Z30/50 are the cameras Nikon has aimed at the D3000 type buyers

The Z5 is the camera that Nikon has aimed at the D5000 series buyers.

The Z6/7 are what are aimed at the D7000 series buyers.

The Z8 is probably targeted towards people who would have bought a D800 series, and of course the Z9 towards the flagship buyers.

One might object that these models aren't directly equivalent to the DSLR lines, and I'd agree they're not but I don't think Nikon was ever aiming for direct equivalency. It's a new class of camera (mirrorless) with new standards for technology.

I also think that we're in a bit of weird place in the product cycle because while with the DSLRs there was usually a camera in each line series was roughly of the same generation of technology and shared tech, right now the Z line is split between the Z8/9 (and maybe we can put the Zf in there) which are share similar featuresets and performance levels (presuming that the Zf is as improved as it is hoped in terms of AF), the Z50/5/6ii/7ii are clearly a generation behind and the performance gap shows, so it's understandable if a D7500 user won't find the Z6ii to be a worthy replacement.

One might also object that the D7000/5000 series were DX cameras while the Z5/6/7 lines are FX, but I think this is another case where Nikon has decided to handle the mirrorless product series differently. They don't seem to think that a (physically) smaller sensor is a necessity or appropriate for these mid-level product lines anymore. One wonder if maybe they have a theory that with rise of cell-phones as competent cameras with very small sensors that a camera body past a certain price point need to have a full frame sensor to compete in the market.

Maybe that isn't the idea, but regardless I really don't think Nikon is going to put out a bunch of mid-tier DX cameras any longer. Back in the DSLR days they didn't have a bunch of different FX models along with their DX models. They had the flagship, the D800 series, and the D700s. Then they had all the enthusiast/entry level lines in DX. With the camera market smaller, - not larger - than it was before, I don't think it makes sense to expect them to have 5 or 6 different full frame series along with 4 or 5 DX series. I think they've shifted all but the entry level lines to full frame for whatever reason it is that they think that makes sense, and so the D7500 buyer should really be looking to whatever replaces the Z6ii as that is likely the closest thing to the D7500 we're going to see.
 
I love using my Z50. I have earned its purchase price many times over from happy clients.
2019 was a long time ago in camera tech and the Z50 was originally marketed as a creator's camera. I'd like a DX that's aimed at the same target audience as the D7500, advanced enthusiast. There are plenty of FX options in Nikon's own stable that provide extreme performance for those that demand it, but I'd like to keep the excellent DX glass that I have.
My "Z70" is Z50 size with ZF performance features. I could even skip IBIS (I have VR lenses, a tripod, a steady hand AND a gimble) If I could have the new video specs (H.265 10bit), UHS-II SD + micro-SD card slots, an improved sensor with more resolution and less color noise in low-light video, flippy screen with focus point nav in viewfinder, 1/8000 - 900sec shutter speeds for stills, focus stacking, Bluetooth audio monitoring and of course, USB-C.
The closest camera to the D7500 that I found is the Canon R7. When you consider its focusing system, it's much better than the D7500. I liked my D7500, but made the decision to sell all my Nikon gear and moved to Canon. There are things I miss about Nikon, however Canon really seems to be on top of their game. My keeper rate has gone up exponentially with Canon's autofocus and the image quality is excellent.

I switched systems because I'm too old to wait for something that Nikon may come out with, while Canon already had these products in the marketplace.

Every now and then I still visit this Nikon forum to see what's going on. My best to all!

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My own guess is that a D500 successor would make more sense than a D7500,
A Z70 would probably sell a magnitude in quantity over a Z90, and given the apparent boost in autofocus performance the Xpeed 7 gives the Zf over the Z6II I think it would satisfy all but the most demanding of photographers.
 
There are so many requests for successors to various Nikon DSLR lines and I really think most (not all) of these people are setting themselves up for disappointment or at least are missing what Nikon has chosen to offer for these market segments.

I think we might see some kind of D500 successor, though I am at least a little skeptical. As for all the other ones, I think the "successors" are already on the market.

The Z30/50 are the cameras Nikon has aimed at the D3000 type buyers

The Z5 is the camera that Nikon has aimed at the D5000 series buyers.

The Z6/7 are what are aimed at the D7000 series buyers.

The Z8 is probably targeted towards people who would have bought a D800 series, and of course the Z9 towards the flagship buyers.

One might object that these models aren't directly equivalent to the DSLR lines, and I'd agree they're not but I don't think Nikon was ever aiming for direct equivalency. It's a new class of camera (mirrorless) with new standards for technology.

I also think that we're in a bit of weird place in the product cycle because while with the DSLRs there was usually a camera in each line series was roughly of the same generation of technology and shared tech, right now the Z line is split between the Z8/9 (and maybe we can put the Zf in there) which are share similar featuresets and performance levels (presuming that the Zf is as improved as it is hoped in terms of AF), the Z50/5/6ii/7ii are clearly a generation behind and the performance gap shows, so it's understandable if a D7500 user won't find the Z6ii to be a worthy replacement.

One might also object that the D7000/5000 series were DX cameras while the Z5/6/7 lines are FX, but I think this is another case where Nikon has decided to handle the mirrorless product series differently. They don't seem to think that a (physically) smaller sensor is a necessity or appropriate for these mid-level product lines anymore. One wonder if maybe they have a theory that with rise of cell-phones as competent cameras with very small sensors that a camera body past a certain price point need to have a full frame sensor to compete in the market.

Maybe that isn't the idea, but regardless I really don't think Nikon is going to put out a bunch of mid-tier DX cameras any longer. Back in the DSLR days they didn't have a bunch of different FX models along with their DX models. They had the flagship, the D800 series, and the D700s. Then they had all the enthusiast/entry level lines in DX. With the camera market smaller, - not larger - than it was before, I don't think it makes sense to expect them to have 5 or 6 different full frame series along with 4 or 5 DX series. I think they've shifted all but the entry level lines to full frame for whatever reason it is that they think that makes sense, and so the D7500 buyer should really be looking to whatever replaces the Z6ii as that is likely the closest thing to the D7500 we're going to see.
But, then my favorite lens would just form a low-rez circle.
 
Canon, Sony and Fuji have crop sensors in the ~$1500 range with two card slots, fast shutter speed and IBIS. This would be the Z70. The next tier down are in the $1000 range and are one card slot, a bit slower and no IBIS. A z50II would be in the later spot. I predict Nikon will compete in these price brackets, but the Z70 will come first and will be Nikons next camera and coming in late winter or Spring. I don’t think there will be a larger body, stacked sensor Z500 body. They may surprise us with one, but I don’t think it comes soon.

I’m waiting on either Z70, Z50ii or Z6iii, but I think I’d prefer to stay dx.
 
Canon, Sony and Fuji have crop sensors in the ~$1500 range with two card slots, fast shutter speed and IBIS. This would be the Z70. The next tier down are in the $1000 range and are one card slot, a bit slower and no IBIS. A z50II would be in the later spot. I predict Nikon will compete in these price brackets, but the Z70 will come first and will be Nikons next camera and coming in late winter or Spring. I don’t think there will be a larger body, stacked sensor Z500 body. They may surprise us with one, but I don’t think it comes soon.

I’m waiting on either Z70, Z50ii or Z6iii, but I think I’d prefer to stay dx.
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There are so many requests for successors to various Nikon DSLR lines and I really think most (not all) of these people are setting themselves up for disappointment or at least are missing what Nikon has chosen to offer for these market segments.

I think we might see some kind of D500 successor, though I am at least a little skeptical. As for all the other ones, I think the "successors" are already on the market.

The Z30/50 are the cameras Nikon has aimed at the D3000 type buyers

The Z5 is the camera that Nikon has aimed at the D5000 series buyers.

The Z6/7 are what are aimed at the D7000 series buyers.

The Z8 is probably targeted towards people who would have bought a D800 series, and of course the Z9 towards the flagship buyers.

One might object that these models aren't directly equivalent to the DSLR lines, and I'd agree they're not but I don't think Nikon was ever aiming for direct equivalency. It's a new class of camera (mirrorless) with new standards for technology.

I also think that we're in a bit of weird place in the product cycle because while with the DSLRs there was usually a camera in each line series was roughly of the same generation of technology and shared tech, right now the Z line is split between the Z8/9 (and maybe we can put the Zf in there) which are share similar featuresets and performance levels (presuming that the Zf is as improved as it is hoped in terms of AF), the Z50/5/6ii/7ii are clearly a generation behind and the performance gap shows, so it's understandable if a D7500 user won't find the Z6ii to be a worthy replacement.

One might also object that the D7000/5000 series were DX cameras while the Z5/6/7 lines are FX, but I think this is another case where Nikon has decided to handle the mirrorless product series differently. They don't seem to think that a (physically) smaller sensor is a necessity or appropriate for these mid-level product lines anymore. One wonder if maybe they have a theory that with rise of cell-phones as competent cameras with very small sensors that a camera body past a certain price point need to have a full frame sensor to compete in the market.

Maybe that isn't the idea, but regardless I really don't think Nikon is going to put out a bunch of mid-tier DX cameras any longer. Back in the DSLR days they didn't have a bunch of different FX models along with their DX models. They had the flagship, the D800 series, and the D700s. Then they had all the enthusiast/entry level lines in DX. With the camera market smaller, - not larger - than it was before, I don't think it makes sense to expect them to have 5 or 6 different full frame series along with 4 or 5 DX series. I think they've shifted all but the entry level lines to full frame for whatever reason it is that they think that makes sense, and so the D7500 buyer should really be looking to whatever replaces the Z6ii as that is likely the closest thing to the D7500 we're going to see.
But, then my favorite lens would just form a low-rez circle.
I understand your concern. In fact, when I got my first Z body I chose a Z7ii instead of the less expensive Z6ii specifically because most of the lenses I owned were DX lenses, meaning that I really needed the extra pixels on the Z7ii sensor to get photos which were of a similar resolution to what you'd get on a DX camera body.

Again this is me reading in between the lines a bit, but I have to wonder if this was part of the reason they originally produced the Z6 and the Z7. Having two cameras like this which are essentially the same other than the sensor size isn't really something I can recall Nikon doing before - or if they did it mustn't have been very often. They didn't really ever treat megapixel count as a kind of "option" that you could choose between but as something sort of integral to their overall body designs - so having these two choices was a bit different. Yet initially, the Z6/7 were the only two options to launch the system, along with what was originally a very limited supply of native lenses, so it would make sense if these were originally intended to provide the kind of flexibility people would need if they wanted to move into the system while carrying over most of their F mount lenses.

I do think, though, that in the long run they don't intend to build the Z system in a way where the use of F-mount lenses is going to influence anything about how they design ongoing releases. I certainly think they want to maintain backwards compatibility with F mount as an overall option within the system, but I doubt that they're thinking of it in terms of keeping future designs in a perfect one-to-one relationship between product tiers across generations.

In other words, I think want to continue to support people being able to use their favorite F-mount lenses moving forward by selling their FTZ adapters, but I also don't think they're designing their "$1000 enthusiast line" or their "$2000 prosumer line" or their "$3000 pro line" around which 20 year old lenses you can use.

And frankly, I don't think they ever really took the DX line all that seriously in terms of lenses. I say that as someone who for a long time only owned DX bodies and DX lenses. There are some DX lenses which are pretty popular and beloved, but at the same time I was always frustrated by how limited the DX lens lineup was. There are a lot of things that were never made specifically for DX bodies. For instance, they never made a super-telephoto lens for a DX body - not one! - and this in spite of the fact that DX bodies were very popular for use in the kinds of photography that use these focal lengths. Wildlife and sports shooters often used DX bodies, but were always adopting FX glass because they never made any of these focal lengths in DX. They also made only a very limited range of fast DX lenses. People loved the 35mm/f1.8G, and the 16-80/f2.8-4, and there were a few others that at least got to a wider aperture at the short end, but I don't think they made any fixed aperture fast zooms for DX, and most of the "bread and butter" lenses for DX were only available in significantly slower aperture ranges than for full frame. For instance, you couldn't get something equivalent to a 70-200f/2.8. Instead, you could get something like a variable aperture 18-135 which only got as wide as 3.5 and quickly got darker as you zoomed. With the crop factor, that 3.5 was really more like an f5 or 5.6, too.

So as someone who for a long time used DX and was always looking for the best DX stuff, I really have to say I don't think they ever treated the DX lineup all that seriously in terms of the lenses they provided. How much less of an emphasis are they going, then, to put on making those adapted lenses work in a one-to-one way with the next generation bodies they put out for these market segments?
 
I love using my Z50. I have earned its purchase price many times over from happy clients.
2019 was a long time ago in camera tech and the Z50 was originally marketed as a creator's camera. I'd like a DX that's aimed at the same target audience as the D7500, advanced enthusiast. There are plenty of FX options in Nikon's own stable that provide extreme performance for those that demand it, but I'd like to keep the excellent DX glass that I have.
My "Z70" is Z50 size with ZF performance features. I could even skip IBIS (I have VR lenses, a tripod, a steady hand AND a gimble) If I could have the new video specs (H.265 10bit), UHS-II SD + micro-SD card slots, an improved sensor with more resolution and less color noise in low-light video, flippy screen with focus point nav in viewfinder, 1/8000 - 900sec shutter speeds for stills, focus stacking, Bluetooth audio monitoring and of course, USB-C.
The closest camera to the D7500 that I found is the Canon R7. When you consider its focusing system, it's much better than the D7500. I liked my D7500, but made the decision to sell all my Nikon gear and moved to Canon. There are things I miss about Nikon, however Canon really seems to be on top of their game. My keeper rate has gone up exponentially with Canon's autofocus and the image quality is excellent.

I switched systems because I'm too old to wait for something that Nikon may come out with, while Canon already had these products in the marketplace.

Every now and then I still visit this Nikon forum to see what's going on. My best to all!
I understand your point. My hair has gotten much thinner since I started looking for my D80 replacement. It wasn't the D7500. Decided I was too old to spend the time and energy to learn a new system with the Canon R7. Still waiting for Nikon. Guess I'll be in Assisted Living by the time the Z70/90/500 is announced. Now that's a depressing thought. I've got to have a heart to heart talk with my inner self now and continuing searching for the answer to "What is the meaning of life?" Some people have the gift of capturing the answer in their photographs.
 
I have a D7500 and really like it. I started looking into astrophography and thought I would be better suited with a full frame.



I was looking into options, considering a used 850, and between talking to a store salesperson and a friend that is a photographer (paid), I looked into mirrorless.



Biggest reason being that most of the resources at Nikon is being spent on mirrorless.



the Z5 was really appealing, but I like the extra screen on top…decisions decisions.



If I were buying today, I would buy the refurb z5 with lens on Nikon’s site for $1k.



That said, I bought a used Z7ii with a fairly high actuation count, two F mount lenses, a battery grip, for a price I couldn’t turn away from.



I am loving this new setup.
 

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