M5II with IBIS, NOT -But A6700, DID

[MAC]

I wanted an M5II with IBIS and digit X and the siggy f1.4 primes and the siggy bright zoom - 18-50 f2.8 and for Canon to develop a 70-350 f4.5 - 6.3 for birding

instead, Sony delivered the small A6700 with a good FF grip and improved ergonomics - Sony is listening - Canon is discontinuing…

 

[Sittatunga]

I wanted an M5II with IBIS and digit X and the siggy f1.4 primes and the siggy bright zoom - 18-50 f2.8 and for Canon to develop a 70-350 f4.5 - 6.3 for birding

instead, Sony delivered the small A6700 with a good FF grip and improved ergonomics - Sony is listening - Canon is discontinuing…

So buy the Sony and be happy. I'm not sure how useful IBIS is with the shutter speeds and focal lengths you need for birding though.

 

[Maxmolly7]

I wanted an M5II with IBIS and digit X and the siggy f1.4 primes and the siggy bright zoom - 18-50 f2.8 and for Canon to develop a 70-350 f4.5 - 6.3 for birding

instead, Sony delivered the small A6700 with a good FF grip and improved ergonomics - Sony is listening - Canon is discontinuing…

If it helps your photography, go buy the Sony!

Whining will not bring us another M body.

Unfortunately, I am not fond of articulated screens and it is not the fancy one from the new A7, otherwise I might be interested in the A6700. The price is kinda steep, too.

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[m100]

I wanted an M5II with IBIS and digit X and the siggy f1.4 primes and the siggy bright zoom - 18-50 f2.8 and for Canon to develop a 70-350 f4.5 - 6.3 for birding

instead, Sony delivered the small A6700 with a good FF grip and improved ergonomics - Sony is listening - Canon is discontinuing…

DPR review says they are trying to get a handle on the A6700 auto focus. No doubt.

What helped me a lot with my R50 was practicing taking photos of my big TV hooked to youtube.

I did animal, human, cars and motorcycle tracking.

I found that animal detect focus will many times pick up human eyes faster than the human detect focus if no animals are in the scene.

Point spot AF with servo and vehicle detect selected and set to switch to whole frame tracking at the motorcycle in the group you want to track and press the shutter half way and it will then switch to whole frame tracking and stay on that motorcycle in the group.

Same for people's eyes in a group but select animals or humans to detect.

Pick which eye on which person I want to use. It does this fast.

Still doing focus and recompose.

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[justmeMN]

instead, Sony delivered the small A6700 with a good FF grip and improved ergonomics - Sony is listening - Canon is discontinuing…

The rear screen resolution of the a6700 is the same as the R100, and worse than the R50. That's inappropriate for a camera priced at (body only) $1399. They must have been listening to their accountants about cost cutting.

 

[MAC]

instead, Sony delivered the small A6700 with a good FF grip and improved ergonomics - Sony is listening - Canon is discontinuing…

The rear screen resolution of the a6700 is the same as the R100, and worse than the R50. That's inappropriate for a camera priced at (body only) $1399.

They must have been listening to their accountants about cost cutting.

good one

 

[silver to silicon]

To me, the unwelcome economy of R7 or A6700 is continued use of 2MP EVF. All of the M aps bodies are close to 0.6x and the RF and E and Z aps bodies are a little more magnified at 0.7x or so. Not a big reason to move on from M bodies for my preference

 

[RLight]

I wanted an M5II with IBIS and digit X and the siggy f1.4 primes and the siggy bright zoom - 18-50 f2.8 and for Canon to develop a 70-350 f4.5 - 6.3 for birding

instead, Sony delivered the small A6700 with a good FF grip and improved ergonomics - Sony is listening - Canon is discontinuing…

When you say improved Ergonomics, you’re just talking about the dial? I ask because the a6700 is actually pretty underwhelming, all that it really does is address the shortfalls of the a6600, namely, slow, read out sensor with older sensor, poor menus, and improves their color response.
What would’ve been more exciting is to see the a6700 exceed the M6 II in terms of resolution, handling, or maybe even go with a stacked sensor. Maybe some updated crop glas to go with it, namely the poor stock lens as we’re talking top end performance in small form factor here.

rumor has it Nikon is working on such a beast which will have a stacked 40 megapixel sensor in crop format, by contrast.

As it stands right now Sony doesn’t exactly have stellar stock lenses, never mind, Ultra Wide lenses. Now by contrast Nikon does, and now has support for those sigmas, too throwing a monkey wrench in what would be Sonys game to loose here.

The a6700 just fixes what was wrong with a6600, and re-uses older components to keep cost down so that Sony can squeeze in a tidy profit before Nikon releases such mega beast aka z70 apparently.

I wouldn’t get too excited just yet.

The one thing that is yet to be seen is going to be the auto focus performance of said Nikon z70 versus the Sony a6700. Sony has those G master crop zooms, but Nikon has quality crop native lenses.
The kicker becomes if you’re comparing the former? Then what about the R8 and its recent glass? The R8 with a 24-50 mm is smaller than the 16-55 mm F2.8 G, and is FF.

this is where I have to say you might want to wait a bit before getting too excited.

 

[MAC]

I wanted an M5II with IBIS and digit X and the siggy f1.4 primes and the siggy bright zoom - 18-50 f2.8 and for Canon to develop a 70-350 f4.5 - 6.3 for birding

instead, Sony delivered the small A6700 with a good FF grip and improved ergonomics - Sony is listening - Canon is discontinuing…

When you say improved Ergonomics, you’re just talking about the dial?

they listened, dial, grip, menu

I want a good grip on a camera, that is a big reason I like my R8 grip better than my m6II grip

I ask because the a6700 is actually pretty underwhelming, all that it really does is address the shortfalls of the a6600, namely, slow, read out sensor with older sensor, poor menus, and improves their color response.

more than that, watch Tony Northrup review - AF, hit rates

What would’ve been more exciting is to see the a6700 exceed the M6 II in terms of resolution, handling, or maybe even go with a stacked sensor.

you'd be hard pressed to see a difference in resolution

Maybe some updated crop glas to go with it, namely the poor stock lens as we’re talking top end performance in small form factor here.

you are missing the siggy bright normal zoom

rumor has it Nikon is working on such a beast which will have a stacked 40 megapixel sensor in crop format, by contrast.

Nikon rolled over and made a deal for the siggy primes

As it stands right now Sony doesn’t exactly have stellar stock lenses, never mind, Ultra Wide lenses. Now by contrast Nikon does, and now has support for those sigmas, too throwing a monkey wrench in what would be Sonys game to loose here.

sony has the 70-350

also you get 5 stop IBIS for a great siggy 16 f1.4

The a6700 just fixes what was wrong with a6600, and re-uses older components to keep cost down so that Sony can squeeze in a tidy profit before Nikon releases such mega beast aka z70 apparently.

a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush

I wouldn’t get too excited just yet.

Tony Northrup throws a monkey wrench in the A6700 review by saying at the end - consider the R8 instead

The one thing that is yet to be seen is going to be the auto focus performance of said Nikon z70 versus the Sony a6700. Sony has those G master crop zooms, but Nikon has quality crop native lenses.
The kicker becomes if you’re comparing the former? Then what about the R8 and its recent glass? The R8 with a 24-50 mm is smaller than the 16-55 mm F2.8 G, and is FF.

this is where I have to say you might want to wait a bit before getting too excited.

where did I say I was excited today vs years ago when m5II should have been released

read the comments on dpr's review, the time to get excited was 4 years ago, the ship has sailed years ago

 

[Maxmolly7]

Just judging from reading, I think the AF of the Sony has a good chance to smoke the competition.

The AF of my Sony RX100VII is aready much better than my M6II.

I agree on the lack of comparable Sony lenses.

 

[m100]

Just judging from reading, I think the AF of the Sony has a good chance to smoke the competition.

The AF of my Sony RX100VII is aready much better than my M6II.

I agree on the lack of comparable Sony lenses.

If one can figure out how it works and use it.

I can not find a user manual for the A6700.

Would not buy a new camera without reading the user manual.

 

[m100]

I wanted an M5II with IBIS and digit X and the siggy f1.4 primes and the siggy bright zoom - 18-50 f2.8 and for Canon to develop a 70-350 f4.5 - 6.3 for birding

instead, Sony delivered the small A6700 with a good FF grip and improved ergonomics - Sony is listening - Canon is discontinuing…

When you say improved Ergonomics, you’re just talking about the dial? I ask because the a6700 is actually pretty underwhelming, all that it really does is address the shortfalls of the a6600, namely, slow, read out sensor with older sensor, poor menus, and improves their color response.
What would’ve been more exciting is to see the a6700 exceed the M6 II in terms of resolution, handling, or maybe even go with a stacked sensor. Maybe some updated crop glas to go with it, namely the poor stock lens as we’re talking top end performance in small form factor here.

rumor has it Nikon is working on such a beast which will have a stacked 40 megapixel sensor in crop format, by contrast.

As it stands right now Sony doesn’t exactly have stellar stock lenses, never mind, Ultra Wide lenses. Now by contrast Nikon does, and now has support for those sigmas, too throwing a monkey wrench in what would be Sonys game to loose here.

The a6700 just fixes what was wrong with a6600, and re-uses older components to keep cost down so that Sony can squeeze in a tidy profit before Nikon releases such mega beast aka z70 apparently.

I wouldn’t get too excited just yet.

The one thing that is yet to be seen is going to be the auto focus performance of said Nikon z70 versus the Sony a6700. Sony has those G master crop zooms, but Nikon has quality crop native lenses.
The kicker becomes if you’re comparing the former? Then what about the R8 and its recent glass? The R8 with a 24-50 mm is smaller than the 16-55 mm F2.8 G, and is FF.

this is where I have to say you might want to wait a bit before getting too excited.

If you can handle reading Sony's manuals go for it.

This Canon stuff is almost understandable.

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[justmeMN]

Just judging from reading, I think the AF of the Sony has a good chance to smoke the competition.

The AF of my Sony RX100VII is aready much better than my M6II.

It sounds like the humble R50 does well in that area:

"The R50's most compelling feature is probably its autofocus system. It's a relatively simple-to-use but powerful system that combines a series of subject recognition modes with tenacious tracking."

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/7537526501/hands-on-with-the-canon-eos-r50?slide=2

 

[m100]

Just judging from reading, I think the AF of the Sony has a good chance to smoke the competition.

The AF of my Sony RX100VII is aready much better than my M6II.

It sounds like the humble R50 does well in that area:

"The R50's most compelling feature is probably its autofocus system. It's a relatively simple-to-use but powerful system that combines a series of subject recognition modes with tenacious tracking."

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/7537526501/hands-on-with-the-canon-eos-r50?slide=2

The way the R50 can instantly go from spot focus to whole-area subject tracking is one slick trick.

 

[ex human]

This looks like a great APS-C body. Admittedly, the sensor resolution is still underwhelming.

Honestly, if there was an APS-C lens comparable to the 32mm 1.4 for E-mount I would go for it.

Until someone else releases such a lens I’ll stick with cobbled together EF-M bodies so I can keep using this lens.

From my perspective it’s not likely that RF-mount APS-C will ever have any appeal.

I wanted an M5II with IBIS and digit X and the siggy f1.4 primes and the siggy bright zoom - 18-50 f2.8 and for Canon to develop a 70-350 f4.5 - 6.3 for birding

instead, Sony delivered the small A6700 with a good FF grip and improved ergonomics - Sony is listening - Canon is discontinuing…

 

[Icee258]

This looks like a great APS-C body. Admittedly, the sensor resolution is still underwhelming.

Honestly, if there was an APS-C lens comparable to the 32mm 1.4 for E-mount I would go for it.
Until someone else releases such a lens I’ll stick with cobbled together EF-M bodies so I can keep using this lens.

Is the Sigma 30 mm f/1.4 so much worse than the Canon 32 mm? You can get the Sigma primes in E-mount.

 

[justmeMN]

From my perspective it’s not likely that RF-mount APS-C will ever have any appeal.

One of those "youtube photography celebrities" did tests comparing the a6700, a6600, and R7. His conclusion - just get the R8.

 

[nnowak]

This looks like a great APS-C body. Admittedly, the sensor resolution is still underwhelming.

Honestly, if there was an APS-C lens comparable to the 32mm 1.4 for E-mount I would go for it.
Until someone else releases such a lens I’ll stick with cobbled together EF-M bodies so I can keep using this lens.

I just counted 16 different autofocus Sony E mount lenses on B&H that ranged from 30mm to 35mm and apertures of f/1.2 to f/2.0. All of these would have 5 stops of stabilization on the a6700 and 3 of them are even lighter than the EF-M 32mm. Using the same metrics, The Fuji mount has 8 lenses in this range with 4 of them being lighter than the EF-M 32mm.

I am pretty sure one of these would be close enough.

 

[nnowak]

This looks like a great APS-C body. Admittedly, the sensor resolution is still underwhelming.

Honestly, if there was an APS-C lens comparable to the 32mm 1.4 for E-mount I would go for it.
Until someone else releases such a lens I’ll stick with cobbled together EF-M bodies so I can keep using this lens.

Is the Sigma 30 mm f/1.4 so much worse than the Canon 32 mm?

No, it is not. Wide open the Canon is sharper corner to corner, but the Sigma has smoother and cleaner bokeh. Which one is better really depends on what you shoot. For example, landscapes might be better with the Canon, but portraits might be better with the Sigma

You can get the Sigma primes in E-mount.

plus m4/3, Fuji XF, Leica L, and Nikon Z mounts.

 

[MAC]

From my perspective it’s not likely that RF-mount APS-C will ever have any appeal.

One of those "youtube photography celebrities" did tests comparing the a6700, a6600, and R7. His conclusion - just get the R8.

timing is everything, a July 2023 release of the a6700 is 3- 4 years too late for me

I might have bit earlier - but it is too late - R8 is small enough and now my future

apsc has lost its appeal for me

Sony seems to be lagging ... and then reacting to Canon's apsc releases ... and the delays suggest sensitivity to protecting their own FF market, just like Canon ...