R6 refurbished $1300 vs new R8 $1500

[SafariBob]

My quick thoughts on this:

• I don’t think IBIS is a big deal; most RF mount lenses have 5 stops if IS anyway, and the Canon IBIS has historically not been very good
• I’m not sure what folks are referring to when it comes to a “better built body”; it is lighter yes, but beyond that I don’t notice any build quality differences.

The real differentiators are the two card slots and battery. Everything else is a wash.

Metal parts & weather sealing? Grip quality?

 

[sportyaccordy]

My quick thoughts on this:

• I don’t think IBIS is a big deal; most RF mount lenses have 5 stops if IS anyway, and the Canon IBIS has historically not been very good
• I’m not sure what folks are referring to when it comes to a “better built body”; it is lighter yes, but beyond that I don’t notice any build quality differences.

The real differentiators are the two card slots and battery. Everything else is a wash.

Have you ever shot a camera with IBIS? Particularly video. It's a big difference, especially for all the RF lenses that aren't stabilized.

 

[teastained]

My quick thoughts on this:

• I don’t think IBIS is a big deal; most RF mount lenses have 5 stops if IS anyway, and the Canon IBIS has historically not been very good
• I’m not sure what folks are referring to when it comes to a “better built body”; it is lighter yes, but beyond that I don’t notice any build quality differences.

The real differentiators are the two card slots and battery. Everything else is a wash.

Metal parts & weather sealing? Grip quality?

 

[teastained]

My quick thoughts on this:

• I don’t think IBIS is a big deal; most RF mount lenses have 5 stops if IS anyway, and the Canon IBIS has historically not been very good
• I’m not sure what folks are referring to when it comes to a “better built body”; it is lighter yes, but beyond that I don’t notice any build quality differences.

The real differentiators are the two card slots and battery. Everything else is a wash.

Have you ever shot a camera with IBIS? Particularly video. It's a big difference, especially for all the RF lenses that aren't stabilized.

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Sometimes I take pictures with my gear- https://www.flickr.com/photos/41601371@N00/

The difference between 5 stops and 8 stops is not going to make the difference between shaky video or not. Technique will help as will proper stabilisation such as gimbal etc.

Further as mentioned, Canon IBIS does create warbling as well.

Also which RF lenses aren’t stabilised? Most of them are.

 

[SafariBob]

My quick thoughts on this:

• I don’t think IBIS is a big deal; most RF mount lenses have 5 stops if IS anyway, and the Canon IBIS has historically not been very good
• I’m not sure what folks are referring to when it comes to a “better built body”; it is lighter yes, but beyond that I don’t notice any build quality differences.

The real differentiators are the two card slots and battery. Everything else is a wash.

Metal parts & weather sealing? Grip quality?

Which metal parts and where does it say the weather sealing is different?

As far as I know Canon does not provide clear documentation on this so it’s speculation.

here is the data for the r6: https://www.canon-europe.com/cameras/eos-r6/handling-and-connectivity/

not sure they have published the equivalent for the r8, it gets fuzzy when they don't have the features.

 

[MAC]

I doubt relevant people have it this black and white. Either they decide only based on size&weight or they don't care about it at all.

It is kind of a dumb way how to choose a camera.

Not for everyone or every context. I still have my original M and nothing beats the M+22mm in terms of being a camera you can grab and keep with you without really thinking about the fact you're carrying a camera. Casual shooting scenario.

Size/weight also become an issue for extended hikes. If I was trying to hike the PCT I would get a M6 II and 11-22 IS specifically for that hike and that would likely be it.

But for a primary camera I would choose the R6 over the R8 just for IS and mechanical shutter speed. And I'll still grab the 5Ds for stills every time unless I specifically need something the R6 has (IBIS; ultra high ISO; 12/20 fps).

I guess that supports your statement that size/weight are either everything or nothing. But I can't agree they're "dumb" criteria. When they're everything...they are everything.

Agree fully that the M-system rocks!

my 32.5 mpxl M6II + m32 F1.4 combo does indeed rock - Bryan at the Digital Picture says

"...EF-M 32mm f/1.4 lens performing similarly to a lens (200 mm F2 L) costing over 12 times more."

The context here under which I wrote that statement is FF R6 vs FF R8.

my M6II + m32 f1.4 combo weighs just 361g + 230 g = 591 g

my R8 + 28 f2.8 pancake will weigh 461 g + 120 g = 581 g

Two cameras and two lenses that weigh only 1172 g which is 85% less than 1 sigma 40 mm lens with adaptor ALONE that weighs 1260 g + 110 g = a whopping 1370 g

Apples and oranges. Hopeless attempt to "prove" something by comparing plastic lens made to be small and ligh with 2 stops faster and optically clearly superior lens made to be overally top Q. It only shows the endless desperation and startling lack of knowledge you present here in last days.

But yes, however the relevancy of Sigma 40/1.4 in this thread is zero (your usual level, again), it is truth that it is not lens suitable for weak and lazy.

let's see

- zinger after zinger -- hopeless, desperate, lacking knowledge, weak, lazy, on level zero - how many slings and arrows can you throw out in one post?

Yes, that is content of what you write. Sad, isn't it.

big gear doesn't guarantee better shots as your thread showed big gear struggled

sad - is you not getting this

enjoy your 1.4 KG 40 mm -- I'm sure it goes everywhere with you - LOL

This is a place for "R6 refurbished $1300 vs new R8 $1500" discussion. Not inferiority complex manifesting place.

and my posts are about the small size of gear like the R8 can make the difference in getting the shots - but you think superiority is big gear - that is the complex

weight might not matter to you, but low weight matters to some of us, whether it is FF or not

 

[JPAlbert]

I'm holding out for Canon to release the refurbished R6mkII bodies.
I wonder how much longer it will take ?

 

[sportyaccordy]

My quick thoughts on this:

• I don’t think IBIS is a big deal; most RF mount lenses have 5 stops if IS anyway, and the Canon IBIS has historically not been very good
• I’m not sure what folks are referring to when it comes to a “better built body”; it is lighter yes, but beyond that I don’t notice any build quality differences.

The real differentiators are the two card slots and battery. Everything else is a wash.

Have you ever shot a camera with IBIS? Particularly video. It's a big difference, especially for all the RF lenses that aren't stabilized.

The difference between 5 stops and 8 stops is not going to make the difference between shaky video or not. Technique will help as will proper stabilisation such as gimbal etc.

It's not just the number of stops, it's what's being stabilized. Lens stabilization can't correct sensor based vibration for example.

Further as mentioned, Canon IBIS does create warbling as well.

Also which RF lenses aren’t stabilised? Most of them are.

A bunch of RF primes, and EF glass

 

[Photoclever]

The difference between 5 stops and 8 stops is not going to make the difference between shaky video or not. Technique will help as will proper stabilisation such as gimbal etc.

One of the first things I tested when my R6 arrived was how well IBIS worked for video. My tests confirmed what reviewers have been saying: Canon's IBIS is one of the few in existence which can give gimbal like results hand held. It won't retire your gimbal, but it will let you shoot without it and sometimes leave it at home. I consider that a big deal for video. It also works really well with lenses that don't have IS (5-6 stops tested with an adapted FD prime).

I'll grant that for stills it's not as important vs. a camera with an IS lens but no IBIS. But IMHO it's a huge selling point not just against the R8, but against competing cameras. Canon did IBIS right.

Further as mentioned, Canon IBIS does create warbling as well.

Only at ultra wide angles. It would be nice if they fixed this but it doesn't detract from how amazing it is at all other focal lengths.

 

[TwoMetreBill]

I've had too many memory card failures to every consider a camera without dual slots, these from the best rated and most expensive brands.

 

[SafariBob]

I've had too many memory card failures to every consider a camera without dual slots, these from the best rated and most expensive brands.

 

[Wingsfan]

I always have a backup card in the second slot for any of my cameras. Ironically in the past 4 years the only two sd cards that ever failed me were a Samsung and a sony. This was about 6 and 3 years ago respectively, I'm guessing.

But I still use Samsung cards, because they are very inexpensive, and even the v30 XC1s that I have still write rather quickly, although I use adata V60s and v90s in the main slot of my em1s and R6, and the Samsungs as a backup in that case.

 

[MAC]

I've had too many memory card failures to every consider a camera without dual slots, these from the best rated and most expensive brands.

in > million shots, no card failures, but a camera failure - 5d mirror fell out - I was carrying two other cameras so I survived the event

 

[memo90061]

I want a refurbished R6!! It's sold out now.

 

[Kokopelli_Rocks]

Been wanting to get an R6 for quite a while and now that I saw a few for 1300 refurbished on the Canon website. Figured what a great opportunity. I kind of think it's a better camera overall than the R8. Just wanted to see what the community thinks?

I read lots of R6 versus R8 posts and discussions, but I didn't really see any that referenced pricing very much. And I think at this pricing the R6 is kind of the no-brainer. Personally, will be coming from a G9 and formerly shot. Nikon APSC/ 7200 so form factor will be similar, just lenses slightly heavier. Planning on keeping my m43 rangefinder and some small primes for walk around and the R6 will take care of the things were full frame shines as well as more keepers when doing wildlife/sports.

i HAVE debated the R6II and R8 discussion over and over in my head. I think the original R6 is a bargin right now. the R8 has an updated sensor and R6II AF. Like many I wish it had IBIS and used the same battery as the R5 and R7, I don't want to invest in more batteries that can only be used one camera.

 

[charisgratia]

I want a refurbished R6!! It's sold out now.

It's been out of stock a few times in the last couple of weeks. I'm not sure how long this current sale will last, but you should check back often if you want one.

 

[charisgratia]

Been wanting to get an R6 for quite a while and now that I saw a few for 1300 refurbished on the Canon website. Figured what a great opportunity. I kind of think it's a better camera overall than the R8. Just wanted to see what the community thinks?

I read lots of R6 versus R8 posts and discussions, but I didn't really see any that referenced pricing very much. And I think at this pricing the R6 is kind of the no-brainer. Personally, will be coming from a G9 and formerly shot. Nikon APSC/ 7200 so form factor will be similar, just lenses slightly heavier. Planning on keeping my m43 rangefinder and some small primes for walk around and the R6 will take care of the things were full frame shines as well as more keepers when doing wildlife/sports.

i HAVE debated the R6II and R8 discussion over and over in my head. I think the original R6 is a bargin right now. the R8 has an updated sensor and R6II AF. Like many I wish it had IBIS and used the same battery as the R5 and R7, I don't want to invest in more batteries that can only be used one camera.

I tried out the R8, but ended up with a refurbished R6. It bothered me to pay more for the R8 over the $1299 R6, when the latter has IBIS, dual card slots, same battery and viewfinder as my R, and more button/dial customization options. The improved sensor and AF as well as better video specs of the R8 are impressive, but weren't enough for me. The only things that annoy me about the R6 are no custom banks for video settings and chunkier grip than I'm used to.

 

[Wingsfan]

I saw a post somewhere, either here or on another board that the sale was through July 4. Whether or not they get any new stock in to sell refurbished, hard to tell.

 

[BirdShooter7]

I managed to break my R6 a while back and was going to replace it with another one but ended up getting the R8 which I really like (no regrets). I do appreciate the faster sensor readout and the AF improvements but I do find the limited controls and customization of the R8 is a little bit of a pain vs the R6. At $1300 the R6 is an absolute steal in my opinion.

 

[BirdShooter7]

I love a good bargain, and I think the refurb R6 is exactly that. I love my R6 and I believe that the ibis makes it score higher for me than the R8. The R6 may be a little better at high ISO also. I think the R8 is a fine camera but I really enjoy ibis, especially for hand held video operations. Slower shutter speeds (with ibis) with low light obviously allows lower ISO capture also.

I've purchased several refurb cameras, (including a Panasonic G85) and have enjoyed good results. I would not hesitate.

Interestingly for me lack of IBIS was a benefit as one of my most used lenses is a EF 500mm f/4L IS USM and I have found that sometimes the lens IS fights with the iBIS resulting in less than ideal results. Unfortunately the stabilization is all or nothing so I can’t just use lens IS on the R6. So if you’re in a situation like me, the R8 might be attractive.