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s23 ultra main cam
s23 ultra 3x zoom
Panasonic G100 + Panasonic Lumix G 42.5mm
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s23 ultra main cam
s23 ultra 3x zoom
Panasonic G100 + Panasonic Lumix G 42.5mm
The G100 could have looked a bit better if it was to be developed from RAW in latest Lightroom, but not by much. For example the color noise would have been eliminated, which one may see or not see depending on the display.
At least for me RAW is the way to go with "camera", at least I never relied on JPGs from such tools, but I know most people don't go RAW.
At least for me RAW is the way to go with "camera", at least I never relied on JPGs from such tools, but I know most people don't go RAW.
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The G100 is definitely much better if you pixel peep. Just looking at it as is, they look the same, once you magnify, that's where you see the difference.
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I only shoot JPEG. Don't have time for RAW.
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All shots with phone and camera are handheld
guess thats the main point here, if you use modern mirrorless cameras stabilization to its full potential all the smartphone software shenanigans arent able to make up for the inferior sensor.
youll find comparisons promoting phone night mode vs fullframe camera, but they use 1/60 on camera and iso 6400 when theres no apparent reason not to get a good shot from a burst with 1/15s and ISO 1600 with much better results, or even longer exposure (longer with shorter lens)..
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i know that long ago. phone getting crazy expensive promiseing photo breakthrough. But this is just BS.
My way is to use small camera with RAW. Even 1/2.3 TG-6 can get good IQ if one know how to use it. (also small MFT with 12-32mm) important to me is u will get a more natural look. Many phone (both Apple and Samsung) have an HDR look that i don't like.
the phone I choose pixel 7 get the contrast right (not too HDR) but still suffer from oversharpening. I have to de-sharp the jpegin batch mode using DXO.
As a phone, one probably can't get better one than pixel and is also relatively cheap. Apple and Samsung telling you to buy increasingly expensive phone for photography is a scam
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A lot said in this tread. Undoubtedly, the laws of physics cannot be bent and bigger the sensor the better the image. By saying that, if only cameras have the processing power of the phones. For something with us all the time, most current flagship phones are more than good enough. Most use trickery taking multiple exposures, stacking them on the fly, removing the motion blur and producing handheld results I could not even dream off just years ago. I have an old Nikon D7100 and a bunch of lenses, yet mostly take it out with 16-300: far from the great lens but gives me the reach on casual hike. Visiting botanical gardens on the nice day, the photos from it and Mi Note 10 are indistinguishable. I actually dare to say, Note 10 photos are better as require less processing for what I need them for.
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Now, with the plastic lens and tiny sensor, taking the photo in Notes' full-res (so called 108MP), sort of disables night mode, multishot, binning....yet it is capable of capturing the moment - and above all looks rather decent as the picture. Yes, NR is over the top and wish I could disable it, the highlights may be blown, DR is low and overall not for pixelpeeping. But it came from the device which was not primarily designed as an image capturing tool. And that is fair to say. It's now 4 years old phone, was never a flagship device...
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And I am looking to replace it with Mi 13Ultra or something like that. D7100 does not get an upgrade - kids grown up, me getting older and the life is getting on the slow side...
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But get this (again desktop background)
Now, with the plastic lens and tiny sensor, taking the photo in Notes' full-res (so called 108MP), sort of disables night mode, multishot, binning....yet it is capable of capturing the moment - and above all looks rather decent as the picture. Yes, NR is over the top and wish I could disable it, the highlights may be blown, DR is low and overall not for pixelpeeping. But it came from the device which was not primarily designed as an image capturing tool. And that is fair to say. It's now 4 years old phone, was never a flagship device...
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And I am looking to replace it with Mi 13Ultra or something like that. D7100 does not get an upgrade - kids grown up, me getting older and the life is getting on the slow side...
While GCAM does much better job, the only thing it cannot do is to take the 'full res' photos. I saw your other thread about 200MP S23U and your photos speak for themselves (thumb up). I had been a supporter of 'more MP' for a long time, often take 108MP (max on my Note 10 and Mi 11) and then resize to 48MP or less if I had to crop/straighten. To me, 12MP default resolution isn't enough - and also don't know which photo may be printed, which I still do.
So, yes I do use GCAM (several versions for different occasions) but the sample I posted was randomly chosen (full res one). This below one is 'indoor' shot and while it appears as well lit scene, the only light source is the TV and 4 small 1.5W LED downlights. The reported exposure is 3s while the shutter speed was 1/[email protected] at ISO500. And that, for the phone very impressive - what we discuss here: the ability to take an OK photo without dedicated camera.
While pixel binning, multiple exposures and other things phones exploit to capture image, the full res (108MP or more) also prove the tiny pixels can still produce OK-ish results even in low light.
So, yes I do use GCAM (several versions for different occasions) but the sample I posted was randomly chosen (full res one). This below one is 'indoor' shot and while it appears as well lit scene, the only light source is the TV and 4 small 1.5W LED downlights. The reported exposure is 3s while the shutter speed was 1/[email protected] at ISO500. And that, for the phone very impressive - what we discuss here: the ability to take an OK photo without dedicated camera.
While pixel binning, multiple exposures and other things phones exploit to capture image, the full res (108MP or more) also prove the tiny pixels can still produce OK-ish results even in low light.
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Lovely pictures, been meaning to try myself. The GCAM threads is something I follow. I just have too many devices, hard to keep track of things sometimes.One thing i don't understand - why do You use stock camera, which is trash in night, when You can use GCAM and photos are 2x better
Yes, i don't like 12 megapixels too
In most situations it's ok, but for landscape anbd low light photography i want full res. It's too soon now, but there is a guy who proably unlocked 50 mpix in Samsung, but still waiting for results 
I'm hope it will be done, then i will be able to use one phone instead two Looks greatSo, yes I do use GCAM (several versions for different occasions) but the sample I posted was randomly chosen (full res one). This below one is 'indoor' shot and while it appears as well lit scene, the only light source is the TV and 4 small 1.5W LED downlights. The reported exposure is 3s while the shutter speed was 1/[email protected] at ISO500. And that, for the phone very impressive - what we discuss here: the ability to take an OK photo without dedicated camera.
