Nikon 24-200 vs. 24-120 S

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I have had the 24-200 for two years or so and have generally been happy with the output, but after reading several reviews about how the 24-120 S was a higher-grade, superior-quality lens ("S-line, yo!"), I decided to give it a try during one of the recent rebates. So, I thought I would share some initial impressions. This is not meant to be a comprehensive review, but I thought that some observations might be useful if some of you are considering the same addition or up/side-grade.

What I found using my copies of these lenses (!) is that the 24-120 has very high centre sharpness wide open, a bit better than the 24-200. So if this is something you value, this lens will fit the bill. In agreement with e.g. the Photographylife review, centre sharpness decreases when stopping down, i.e. it is at its peak wide open at f/4 and f/8 is noticeably less sharp. Contrast of the 24-120 is also a little bit better, but not drastically so.

At the wide end (24 mm), the corners of the 24-120 are a bit better than those of the 24-200 (the centre is totally fine for both lenses). At the long end (120 mm), the centre of the 24-120 is a bit better, but the edges are mostly similar to the 24-200 (again, on my copies - I am sure they are not all exactly the same). Notably, the 24-120 appears to have some field curvature at this setting, so focusing half way between the centre and edge to improve the edges when shooting flat scenes helps even out the sharpness (though you do pay with slight softening in the centre).

If all of that sounds a little lukewarm, you might be right. The difference is not as pronounced as I hoped, but at the same time, there is nothing wrong with the 24-120. Will I keep it? Probably yes, because I like some other attributes that set it apart from the 24-200 (e.g. sunstars). Would I buy it again if I could time travel back two months? That, I am not sure about. I shoot mostly landscapes, which often involves stopping down, which in turn reduces the centre advantage of the 24-120 and produces rather decent output on the 24-200 anyhow.

I think part of the problem is that I have been spoiled by some of the other Z glass (14-24, 50, 85) and expected e.g. the corners of the 24-120 S to be a bit better than they are, which might have been an unrealistic expectation for a 5x zoom. Generally, I would say that the Photographylife review is quite accurate, and e.g. their MTF tests clearly show that centre sharpness is a strength while the corners are not the sharpest on this lens.

Hope this will be useful for some. Happy shooting.
 
No samples?!

As great as the 24-200VR is, it wasn't a versus for me. I wouldn't want to own both because I don't like wishing I had the other lens, ever! LOL There's a bit more to the 24-120F4S "THAT meets the eye:"
  • has much nicer separation at 120mm F4.
  • significantly sharper on the long end
  • significantly faster at and above 70mm
  • has some of the nicest sun-stars (Hudson confirmed this)
  • covers everything in it's range well
    • IMO, better than carrying two S primes
    • We don't have a 120-135 YET, but that could be a game changer paired with the 26f2.8. At least for my needs.
  • has closer minimum focus by 6"
  • has dual stepper motor focusing, I've used it for side-line daytime sports
  • "S" handles flare/glare/ghosting better
I could justify the 24-200VR as a one-stop shop with VR.

I could justify the 24-70F4S as a compact/used/bargain, and it is great on DX bodies too. I'm still mixed/torn on the storage mode as a travel lens. I feel that if it also turned the camera on and off I'd like it more.

I could justify the 28-75f2.8 (on sale) but it REALLY should have been the G2 version.

The 24-120F4S isn't really a compromise, and that is why I chose it.

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I have had the 24-200 for two years or so and have generally been happy with the output, but after reading several reviews about how the 24-120 S was a higher-grade, superior-quality lens ("S-line, yo!"), I decided to give it a try during one of the recent rebates. So, I thought I would share some initial impressions. This is not meant to be a comprehensive review, but I thought that some observations might be useful if some of you are considering the same addition or up/side-grade.

What I found using my copies of these lenses (!) is that the 24-120 has very high centre sharpness wide open, a bit better than the 24-200. So if this is something you value, this lens will fit the bill. In agreement with e.g. the Photographylife review, centre sharpness decreases when stopping down, i.e. it is at its peak wide open at f/4 and f/8 is noticeably less sharp. Contrast of the 24-120 is also a little bit better, but not drastically so.

At the wide end (24 mm), the corners of the 24-120 are a bit better than those of the 24-200 (the centre is totally fine for both lenses). At the long end (120 mm), the centre of the 24-120 is a bit better, but the edges are mostly similar to the 24-200 (again, on my copies - I am sure they are not all exactly the same). Notably, the 24-120 appears to have some field curvature at this setting, so focusing half way between the centre and edge to improve the edges when shooting flat scenes helps even out the sharpness (though you do pay with slight softening in the centre).

If all of that sounds a little lukewarm, you might be right. The difference is not as pronounced as I hoped, but at the same time, there is nothing wrong with the 24-120. Will I keep it? Probably yes, because I like some other attributes that set it apart from the 24-200 (e.g. sunstars). Would I buy it again if I could time travel back two months? That, I am not sure about. I shoot mostly landscapes, which often involves stopping down, which in turn reduces the centre advantage of the 24-120 and produces rather decent output on the 24-200 anyhow.

I think part of the problem is that I have been spoiled by some of the other Z glass (14-24, 50, 85) and expected e.g. the corners of the 24-120 S to be a bit better than they are, which might have been an unrealistic expectation for a 5x zoom. Generally, I would say that the Photographylife review is quite accurate, and e.g. their MTF tests clearly show that centre sharpness is a strength while the corners are not the sharpest on this lens.

Hope this will be useful for some. Happy shooting.
Thanks for the detailed report. I really appreciate it.

I have a question - do you find that the 24-120 produces better (I mean sharper, more defined pin-point) sunstars than the 14-24, 24-200, 50, 85 or other higher-grade Z lenses you have used? Sunstars seems to be a great attractive point of the 24-120.
 
Thanks for the detailed report. I really appreciate it.

I have a question - do you find that the 24-120 produces better (I mean sharper, more defined pin-point) sunstars than the 14-24, 24-200, 50, 85 or other higher-grade Z lenses you have used? Sunstars seems to be a great attractive point of the 24-120.


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I have had the 24-200 for two years or so and have generally been happy with the output, but after reading several reviews about how the 24-120 S was a higher-grade, superior-quality lens ("S-line, yo!"), I decided to give it a try during one of the recent rebates. So, I thought I would share some initial impressions. This is not meant to be a comprehensive review, but I thought that some observations might be useful if some of you are considering the same addition or up/side-grade.

What I found using my copies of these lenses (!) is that the 24-120 has very high centre sharpness wide open, a bit better than the 24-200. So if this is something you value, this lens will fit the bill. In agreement with e.g. the Photographylife review, centre sharpness decreases when stopping down, i.e. it is at its peak wide open at f/4 and f/8 is noticeably less sharp. Contrast of the 24-120 is also a little bit better, but not drastically so.

At the wide end (24 mm), the corners of the 24-120 are a bit better than those of the 24-200 (the centre is totally fine for both lenses). At the long end (120 mm), the centre of the 24-120 is a bit better, but the edges are mostly similar to the 24-200 (again, on my copies - I am sure they are not all exactly the same). Notably, the 24-120 appears to have some field curvature at this setting, so focusing half way between the centre and edge to improve the edges when shooting flat scenes helps even out the sharpness (though you do pay with slight softening in the centre).

If all of that sounds a little lukewarm, you might be right. The difference is not as pronounced as I hoped, but at the same time, there is nothing wrong with the 24-120. Will I keep it? Probably yes, because I like some other attributes that set it apart from the 24-200 (e.g. sunstars). Would I buy it again if I could time travel back two months? That, I am not sure about. I shoot mostly landscapes, which often involves stopping down, which in turn reduces the centre advantage of the 24-120 and produces rather decent output on the 24-200 anyhow.

I think part of the problem is that I have been spoiled by some of the other Z glass (14-24, 50, 85) and expected e.g. the corners of the 24-120 S to be a bit better than they are, which might have been an unrealistic expectation for a 5x zoom. Generally, I would say that the Photographylife review is quite accurate, and e.g. their MTF tests clearly show that centre sharpness is a strength while the corners are not the sharpest on this lens.

Hope this will be useful for some. Happy shooting.
Through the shared zoom range, both are about the same, except that the 24-200 does lose light by the time you hit 85mm I believe (6.3 vs 4). IDK I have both and am still going to get rid of the 24-200 at some point (maybe sell it with one of the cameras as a kit). There are trade-offs though, as the 24-200 is technically sharper on paper at 24mm than the 24-120 but I think this is a small price to pay for the 24-120 and probably isn't going to be really noticeable in practice. The biggest advantage of the 24-200 is it's VR and being able to go to 200mm, but the advantage of the 24-120 is the fixed f/4 despite not having any type of IS. So I guess it does come down to preference, on one hand, while the 24-200 isn't the sharpest beyond 135 (and that's where I've noticed sharpness does fall off mid-frame and especailly in the corners) it does mean you can walk away with a shot, versus the 24-120 where you wouldn't have a shot or you'd have to crop in so much to get to 200mm it might be a wash, but you will have a faster aperture at 120mm on the 24-120.

(That being said, I may still send my 24-200 off to be checked by Nikon as it's still under the 5 year warranty and its only 3 years old at the moment.... not sure but just to check in case I have a bad copy or something -- never compared to another 24-200. The interesting thing though is that the most you'd be out if they didn't find anything wrong would be shipping, so it's sort of worth doing for people who have the lenses that may have higher than normal copy variation like the 14-30 and 24-200).
 
Thanks for the detailed report. I really appreciate it.

I have a question - do you find that the 24-120 produces better (I mean sharper, more defined pin-point) sunstars than the 14-24, 24-200, 50, 85 or other higher-grade Z lenses you have used? Sunstars seems to be a great attractive point of the 24-120.
I haven't really shot many sunstar-ey situations with the 50 or the 85. With the 14-24, I have achieved some nice starbursts in night cityscapes, so it is certainly capable if stopped down enough. The 24-200 is not particularly great at it, so the 24-120 beats it handily.
 
So I guess it does come down to preference, on one hand, while the 24-200 isn't the sharpest beyond 135 (and that's where I've noticed sharpness does fall off mid-frame and especailly in the corners) it does mean you can walk away with a shot, versus the 24-120 where you wouldn't have a shot or you'd have to crop in so much to get to 200mm it might be a wash...
I did that calculation based on some MTF results at some point. IIRC, they draw even at around 160 mm (meaning that below that, cropping the 120 mm of the 24-120 is better or as good, and above, the optical zoom of the 24-200 wins even though it does lose some sharpness; what of course helps the croppability argument is the 24-120's strong centre performance).
 
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So I guess it does come down to preference, on one hand, while the 24-200 isn't the sharpest beyond 135 (and that's where I've noticed sharpness does fall off mid-frame and especailly in the corners) it does mean you can walk away with a shot, versus the 24-120 where you wouldn't have a shot or you'd have to crop in so much to get to 200mm it might be a wash...
I did that calculation based on some MTF results at some point. IIRC, they draw even at around 160 mm (meaning that below that, cropping the 120 mm of the 24-120 is better or as good, and above, the optical zoom of the 24-200 wins even though it does lose some sharpness; what of course helps the croppability argument is the 24-120's strong centre performance).
Yes and they're really two different classes of lenses though as well (I think some people forget that). The 24-200 is a do-all travel lens that replaced the F 28-300 basically. The 24-120 is just an updated version of the standard-plus zoom lens (and basically in the Z line, is an extension of the very good 24-70 f/4 with a few minor compromises but for the most part, is an extension of the budget-but-good-quality line, whereas the 24-200 is more budget lens with OK performance at the longer end). Again it's compromises, what's most important to people? fixed aperture and lower ISOs or zoom? You are pobably right that the center sharpness of the 24-120 when cropped in still wins against the 24-200 but you will be throwing away pixels at that point....

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To Op:

When you do not mention the aperture value of the 2 lenses, are you comparing them both wide open or are they set at same aperture?
 
I had both lenses and found the 24-120mm was better for me. The sharpness is good on both lenses and I must say that the 24-200 mm is quite sharp. However the differences are:

1. 24-120mm has faster focus

2. 24-120 mm is F4 throughout giving you the the ability to isolate subjects and blur backgrounds. The 24-200mm goes to 6.3 quickly (~70mm).

3. the 24-200mm gives you 120-200mm.



You have to assess, with your shooting style and needs whether 1 and 2 outweigh 3. For me, I needed the subject isolation of 2. I sold the 24-200mm and have not missed it.

SJP
 
To Op:

When you do not mention the aperture value of the 2 lenses, are you comparing them both wide open or are they set at same aperture?
At the wide end, they are both f/4, so I directly compared at that aperture. At 120 mm, I systematically tested the 24-120 at f/4 and f/8, the 24-200 at f/6.3. But I obviously shot both at different apertures too, so I think I have a decent idea of how they perform.
 
So I guess it does come down to preference, on one hand, while the 24-200 isn't the sharpest beyond 135 (and that's where I've noticed sharpness does fall off mid-frame and especailly in the corners) it does mean you can walk away with a shot, versus the 24-120 where you wouldn't have a shot or you'd have to crop in so much to get to 200mm it might be a wash...
I did that calculation based on some MTF results at some point. IIRC, they draw even at around 160 mm (meaning that below that, cropping the 120 mm of the 24-120 is better or as good, and above, the optical zoom of the 24-200 wins even though it does lose some sharpness; what of course helps the croppability argument is the 24-120's strong centre performance).
Yes and they're really two different classes of lenses though as well (I think some people forget that). The 24-200 is a do-all travel lens that replaced the F 28-300 basically. The 24-120 is just an updated version of the standard-plus zoom lens (and basically in the Z line, is an extension of the very good 24-70 f/4 with a few minor compromises but for the most part, is an extension of the budget-but-good-quality line, whereas the 24-200 is more budget lens with OK performance at the longer end).
I tend to think in lens kits rather than single lenses. The 24-200 allows me to have a rather light single (24-200 only) or two-lens kit (combined with the 14-24, which is my most important lens). The 24-120 will typically require a three-lens kit (adding the 14-24 and 100-400). So, they are different in a way, as you point out, but they also overlap a lot, and the question for me is whether the 14-24 + 24-120 kit is viable or if I would miss the 120-200 mm range for my use. Now that I have both, I can figure that out.
Again it's compromises, what's most important to people? fixed aperture and lower ISOs or zoom? You are pobably right that the center sharpness of the 24-120 when cropped in still wins against the 24-200 but you will be throwing away pixels at that point....
IMO, pixels are secondary - what matters is how much information (detail) is captured. If I capture more detail in a smaller file with the 24-120, it does not matter that it is smaller (it can always be upscaled if "pixels" are needed as long as the detail is there). No?
 
No samples?!

As great as the 24-200VR is, it wasn't a versus for me. I wouldn't want to own both because I don't like wishing I had the other lens, ever! LOL There's a bit more to the 24-120F4S "THAT meets the eye:"
  • has much nicer separation at 120mm F4.
  • significantly sharper on the long end
  • significantly faster at and above 70mm
  • has some of the nicest sun-stars (Hudson confirmed this)
  • covers everything in it's range well
    • IMO, better than carrying two S primes
    • We don't have a 120-135 YET, but that could be a game changer paired with the 26f2.8. At least for my needs.
  • has closer minimum focus by 6"
  • has dual stepper motor focusing, I've used it for side-line daytime sports
  • "S" handles flare/glare/ghosting better
I could justify the 24-200VR as a one-stop shop with VR.

I could justify the 24-70F4S as a compact/used/bargain, and it is great on DX bodies too. I'm still mixed/torn on the storage mode as a travel lens. I feel that if it also turned the camera on and off I'd like it more.

I could justify the 28-75f2.8 (on sale) but it REALLY should have been the G2 version.

The 24-120F4S isn't really a compromise, and that is why I chose it.
The additional control ring on and function button on the lens also contributed to my choice of the 24-120.
 
Oh, that button is great for playback! It makes me miss it using the FTZ and other lenses! It would make so much sense to have an AF selection button on LFn 2. I don't like how Nikon limits what features can be set though; when I had the 100-400S.
 
The 85's ;)
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Thank you both. The 24120 is indeed very good in terms of sunstars.
 
Oh, that button is great for playback! It makes me miss it using the FTZ and other lenses! It would make so much sense to have an AF selection button on LFn 2. I don't like how Nikon limits what features can be set though; when I had the 100-400S.
I think all the cameras all the way through the lineup top to bottom should have AF-On + AF Area like the top models. But I would settle (barely) for allowing AF area to be set to the LFn button. I can hit that button easier than the two Fn buttons on the front of the body.
 
I originally had the 24-200, but sold it after getting the 24-120. The 24-120 is far superior in image quality, but of course less focal length. Still holding out for a Sigma or Tamron 100-400 or similar as I can’t justify the z price for their 100-400. A Nikon z mount 50-400 would be swell 😀
 

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