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So, I have a Mac Mini 2018 boosted with 64 GB of RAM. However, the new AI people selection panel in LR is not activated. There is a message that says that there is not enough V-Ram memory available. Intel UHD Graphics 630 with 1536 Mb is fitted inside. Too bad. There is no workaround, is there? It is running OS Monterey. Am I right in thinking that upgrading to the latest would not help for that?
 
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So, I have a Mac Mini 2018 boosted with 64 GB of RAM. However, the new AI people selection panel in LR is not activated. There is a message that says that there is not enough V-Ram memory available. Intel UHD Graphics 630 with 1536 Mb is fitted inside. Too bad. There is no workaround, is there? It is running OS Monterey. Am I right in thinking that upgrading to the latest would not help for that?
The minimum requirements are listed on Adobe's site. You could try asking on their support forum to see if there's a workaround.
 
So, I have a Mac Mini 2018 boosted with 64 GB of RAM. However, the new AI people selection panel in LR is not activated. There is a message that says that there is not enough V-Ram memory available. Intel UHD Graphics 630 with 1536 Mb is fitted inside. Too bad. There is no workaround, is there? It is running OS Monterey. Am I right in thinking that upgrading to the latest would not help for that?
The minimum requirements are listed on Adobe's site. You could try asking on their support forum to see if there's a workaround.
Thank you. Yes I checked their website and it is told that 2000 Mb of V-Ram is needed for this masking. I saw elsewhere that “Metal” support is required. My system says Metal GPUFamily macOS 2, so I suppose that the limited V-Ram is the culprit.
 
So, I have a Mac Mini 2018 boosted with 64 GB of RAM. However, the new AI people selection panel in LR is not activated. There is a message that says that there is not enough V-Ram memory available. Intel UHD Graphics 630 with 1536 Mb is fitted inside. Too bad. There is no workaround, is there? It is running OS Monterey. Am I right in thinking that upgrading to the latest would not help for that?
The Intel data sheets for the 8100B, 8500B, and 8700B say that processor graphics can use up to 64 GB shared from main memory. MacTracker says that the Mac Mini (2018) can use up to 1.5 GB of graphic memory shared from main memory. It seems that the OS is setting the limit.

I don't think there's any good way to force macOS to allocate more of your RAM to the integrated GPU. There might be system configuration files that control the limit – but there's no guide to this, and you'd be risking messing up your system.
 
So, I have a Mac Mini 2018 boosted with 64 GB of RAM. However, the new AI people selection panel in LR is not activated. There is a message that says that there is not enough V-Ram memory available. Intel UHD Graphics 630 with 1536 Mb is fitted inside. Too bad. There is no workaround, is there? It is running OS Monterey. Am I right in thinking that upgrading to the latest would not help for that?
The Intel data sheets for the 8100B, 8500B, and 8700B say that processor graphics can use up to 64 GB shared from main memory. MacTracker says that the Mac Mini (2018) can use up to 1.5 GB of graphic memory shared from main memory. It seems that the OS is setting the limit.

I don't think there's any good way to force macOS to allocate more of your RAM to the integrated GPU. There might be system configuration files that control the limit – but there's no guide to this, and you'd be risking messing up your system.
Thanks Tom. And since there is no physical way to upgrade the graphic processor, this is probably a done issue. Maybe it's time to consider upgrading. Basic configurations are cheap, but as soon as you add RAM and storage, prices blow up!
 
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“And since there is no physical way to upgrade the graphic processor, this is probably a done issue.”

No it isn’t a done issue, you could use an external GPU with more VRAM through Thunderbolt 3.

-Mark-
 
Maybe it's time to consider upgrading. Basic configurations are cheap, but as soon as you add RAM and storage, prices blow up!
Yes, Apple prices memory and storage very high.

You might check out the Apple refurb store for an M1 or M2 Mini. I would recommend 16gb/512gb as the sweet spot. I have been using my M1 Mini 16gb/512gb (with external SSD for more storage) for months and it works very well with Lightroom Classic and the new AI masking. Works well with Topaz programs too.
 
“And since there is no physical way to upgrade the graphic processor, this is probably a done issue.”

No it isn’t a done issue, you could use an external GPU with more VRAM through Thunderbolt 3.

-Mark-
Oh that's very interesting if it proves viable. Have you a practical experience with that solution, which device? Thanks!
 
Maybe it's time to consider upgrading. Basic configurations are cheap, but as soon as you add RAM and storage, prices blow up!
Yes, Apple prices memory and storage very high.

You might check out the Apple refurb store for an M1 or M2 Mini. I would recommend 16gb/512gb as the sweet spot. I have been using my M1 Mini 16gb/512gb (with external SSD for more storage) for months and it works very well with Lightroom Classic and the new AI masking. Works well with Topaz programs too.
That's a good idea to find a fair deal. I would probably need more than 16Gb though for my files are often more than 200 Mpx in size. But I shall have a look. Thanks!
 
Maybe it's time to consider upgrading. Basic configurations are cheap, but as soon as you add RAM and storage, prices blow up!
Yes, Apple prices memory and storage very high.

You might check out the Apple refurb store for an M1 or M2 Mini. I would recommend 16gb/512gb as the sweet spot. I have been using my M1 Mini 16gb/512gb (with external SSD for more storage) for months and it works very well with Lightroom Classic and the new AI masking. Works well with Topaz programs too.
That's a good idea to find a fair deal. I would probably need more than 16Gb though for my files are often more than 200 Mpx in size. But I shall have a look. Thanks!
See this post that make some basic recommendations that might be better suited for you then:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66887098

How much RAM does your current Mini have? How well does it handle your 200mp files with just an Intel 630 1.5gb iGPU (excepting LrC AI masking, of course)? Which Intel CPU do you have?

You sounded like you were short of money so I recommended the M1/M2 Mini at the refurb store. Certainly if money is not an issue then get something much higher spec.
 
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Maybe it's time to consider upgrading. Basic configurations are cheap, but as soon as you add RAM and storage, prices blow up!
Yes, Apple prices memory and storage very high.

You might check out the Apple refurb store for an M1 or M2 Mini. I would recommend 16gb/512gb as the sweet spot. I have been using my M1 Mini 16gb/512gb (with external SSD for more storage) for months and it works very well with Lightroom Classic and the new AI masking. Works well with Topaz programs too.
That's a good idea to find a fair deal. I would probably need more than 16Gb though for my files are often more than 200 Mpx in size. But I shall have a look. Thanks!
See this post that make some basic recommendations that might be better suited for you then:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66887098

How much RAM does your current Mini have? How well does it handle your 200mp files with just an Intel 630 1.5gb iGPU (excepting LrC AI masking, of course)? Which Intel CPU do you have?

You sounded like you were short of money so I recommended the M1/M2 Mini at the refurb store. Certainly if money is not an issue then get something much higher spec.
Well, money is certainly a concern for I have not planned to replace this fine piece of hardware so soon. But otherwise, computers offer so much more for just a fraction of the price that they were 10 to 20 years ago, so it should be manageable if I'm allowed some time.

The Mini 2018 is filled with 64 GB of Ram and a 1 TB SSD. I use external SSDs for Lightroom and as scratch space, and I never have a hiccup even with up to 3 apps running simultaneously with big files. I have otherwise a Macbook Pro from 2013. I purchased the pre-M1 Mini to be able to still use CS6 for some years, but now I am on a subscription model so it's no longer useful. Maybe I should replace both with a recent Macbook Pro.
 
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Maybe it's time to consider upgrading. Basic configurations are cheap, but as soon as you add RAM and storage, prices blow up!
Yes, Apple prices memory and storage very high.

You might check out the Apple refurb store for an M1 or M2 Mini. I would recommend 16gb/512gb as the sweet spot. I have been using my M1 Mini 16gb/512gb (with external SSD for more storage) for months and it works very well with Lightroom Classic and the new AI masking. Works well with Topaz programs too.
That's a good idea to find a fair deal. I would probably need more than 16Gb though for my files are often more than 200 Mpx in size. But I shall have a look. Thanks!
See this post that make some basic recommendations that might be better suited for you then:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66887098

How much RAM does your current Mini have? How well does it handle your 200mp files with just an Intel 630 1.5gb iGPU (excepting LrC AI masking, of course)? Which Intel CPU do you have?

You sounded like you were short of money so I recommended the M1/M2 Mini at the refurb store. Certainly if money is not an issue then get something much higher spec.
Well, money is certainly a concern for I have not planned to replace this fine piece of hardware so soon. But otherwise, computers offer so much more for just a fraction of the price that they were 10 to 20 years ago, so it should be manageable if I'm allowed some time.

The Mini 2018 is filled with 64 GB of Ram and a 1 TB SSD. I use external SSDs for Lightroom and as scratch space, and I never have a hiccup even with up to 3 apps running simultaneously with big files. I have otherwise a Macbook Pro from 2013. I purchased the pre-M1 Mini to be able to still use CS6 for some years, but now I am on a subscription model so it's no longer useful. Maybe I should replace both with a recent Macbook Pro.
Okay, I see. With 64gb RAM on your current Intel Mini it would be very expensive to get that much in a new Apple Silicon Mac. In fact, none of the Apple Silicon Minis go above 32gb. You would have to get an M1 Max Studio or an M1 Max/M2 Max Macbook to get 64gb. Very expensive. Probably 32gb would work well though even for 200mp.

I suggest you read through this thread:

16gb vs. 32gb

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66851250

32gb vs. 64gb

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66873370
 
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Maybe it's time to consider upgrading. Basic configurations are cheap, but as soon as you add RAM and storage, prices blow up!
Yes, Apple prices memory and storage very high.

You might check out the Apple refurb store for an M1 or M2 Mini. I would recommend 16gb/512gb as the sweet spot. I have been using my M1 Mini 16gb/512gb (with external SSD for more storage) for months and it works very well with Lightroom Classic and the new AI masking. Works well with Topaz programs too.
That's a good idea to find a fair deal. I would probably need more than 16Gb though for my files are often more than 200 Mpx in size. But I shall have a look. Thanks!
See this post that make some basic recommendations that might be better suited for you then:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66887098

How much RAM does your current Mini have? How well does it handle your 200mp files with just an Intel 630 1.5gb iGPU (excepting LrC AI masking, of course)? Which Intel CPU do you have?

You sounded like you were short of money so I recommended the M1/M2 Mini at the refurb store. Certainly if money is not an issue then get something much higher spec.
Well, money is certainly a concern for I have not planned to replace this fine piece of hardware so soon. But otherwise, computers offer so much more for just a fraction of the price that they were 10 to 20 years ago, so it should be manageable if I'm allowed some time.

The Mini 2018 is filled with 64 GB of Ram and a 1 TB SSD. I use external SSDs for Lightroom and as scratch space, and I never have a hiccup even with up to 3 apps running simultaneously with big files. I have otherwise a Macbook Pro from 2013. I purchased the pre-M1 Mini to be able to still use CS6 for some years, but now I am on a subscription model so it's no longer useful. Maybe I should replace both with a recent Macbook Pro.
Okay, I see. With 64gb RAM on your current Intel Mini it would be very expensive to get that much in a new Apple Silicon Mac. In fact, none of the Apple Silicon Minis go above 32gb. You would have to get an M1 Max Studio or an M1 Max/M2 Max Macbook to get 64gb. Very expensive. Probably 32gb would work well though even for 200mp.

I suggest you read through this thread:

Read this thread:

16gb vs. 32gb

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66851250

32gb vs. 64gb

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66873370
Yes given the other specs, 32 Gb of Ram would perhaps suffice. I will study the matter, thank you for your suggestions and links!

After watching the video you linked, I would guess that a 14" MBP M2 with 1TB and 32 GB would be my choice. I use the MBP in clamshell mode with a large monitor. The price for this setup seems reasonable. Would you see any reason not to go for that configuration? I do not do much video editing.
 
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Okay, I see. With 64gb RAM on your current Intel Mini it would be very expensive to get that much in a new Apple Silicon Mac. In fact, none of the Apple Silicon Minis go above 32gb. You would have to get an M1 Max Studio or an M1 Max/M2 Max Macbook to get 64gb. Very expensive. Probably 32gb would work well though even for 200mp.

I suggest you read through this thread:

Read this thread:

16gb vs. 32gb

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66851250

32gb vs. 64gb

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66873370
Yes given the other specs, 32 Gb of Ram would perhaps suffice. I will study the matter, thank you for your suggestions and links!

After watching the video you linked, I would guess that a 14" MBP M2 with 1TB and 32 GB would be my choice. I use the MBP in clamshell mode with a large monitor. The price for this setup seems reasonable. Would you see any reason not to go for that configuration? I do not do much video editing.
The other videos in that thread are also good and instructive. Worth reading through the thread.

I assume you mean the 14" M2 Pro MBP and not the 14" M2 Max MBP? I think that the 14" M2 Pro MBP 32gb/1tb would likely work well for you, but the only way to truly know is to try it. Apple has a 14-day no questions asked return policy in order to spur sales to people who are on the fence. Rightly assuming that most will like it so much that they will keep it -- barring the ones who may get a defective unit, of course.

I use my recently bought 16" M2 Pro MBP 12/19 32gb/1tb connected to 2 external displays, but I do not use it in clamshell mode. I keep it open and use the 16.2" MBP display as a third display for the extended desktop. No reason to let the nice display go to waste. :-) You can optionally attach a separate keyboard and mouse, but you do not have to. I did the same with my 2019 15.6" ultrabook PC laptop. The 16" MBP is almost exactly the same size in all dimensions and weight as my older 15.6" ultrabook PC laptop. I have an external SSD for more storage.

See this thread about the Macbook power level:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66905834

I still have my wonderful M1 Mini 16gb/512gb, but I may try to sell it soon since I am not using it now. I decided I wanted to return to a laptop that I could unplug and take with me sometimes and use it in hotels when I am away from home for a few weeks.

Good luck with whatever you decide and please come back to let us know.
 
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It all depends how much you want to spend. Most folks here would not spend a dime on an Intel based Mac anymore. But getting 32 Gb of RAM with Apple silicon will have its price.

I kind of like what Sonnet is offering here: https://www.sonnettech.com/product/egpu-breakaway-puck/overview.html.

I got a RX 560 Breakaway Puck new for $200 recently, which is considered as an entry level eGPU. But the most powerful option with 8 GB VRAM will set you back $ 699, though originally it was priced at $ 899 which was too expensive in my opinion. Unfortunately it seems to be out-of-stock. To get an idea the RX 560 is still 300% mor powerful than the Intel UHD 630 and it has 4 GB of VRAM.

Lately people seem to sell off their Blackmagic Radeon Pro 580 with 8 GB VRAM. There are good opportunities out there, I think.

Just an option to consider.

-Mark-
 
Okay, I see. With 64gb RAM on your current Intel Mini it would be very expensive to get that much in a new Apple Silicon Mac. In fact, none of the Apple Silicon Minis go above 32gb. You would have to get an M1 Max Studio or an M1 Max/M2 Max Macbook to get 64gb. Very expensive.
RAM options by processor type:
  • M1 – 8/16 GB
  • M2 – 8/16/24 GB
  • M1 Pro – 16/32 GB
  • M2 Pro – 16/32 GB
  • M1 Max – 32/64 GB
  • M2 Max – 32/64/96 GB
  • M1 Ultra – 128 GB
One could make an educated guess that Apple could offer a 48 GB RAM version of the M2, but so far, has not chosen to do so.
 
Okay, I see. With 64gb RAM on your current Intel Mini it would be very expensive to get that much in a new Apple Silicon Mac. In fact, none of the Apple Silicon Minis go above 32gb. You would have to get an M1 Max Studio or an M1 Max/M2 Max Macbook to get 64gb. Very expensive. Probably 32gb would work well though even for 200mp.

I suggest you read through this thread:

Read this thread:

16gb vs. 32gb

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66851250

32gb vs. 64gb

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66873370
Yes given the other specs, 32 Gb of Ram would perhaps suffice. I will study the matter, thank you for your suggestions and links!

After watching the video you linked, I would guess that a 14" MBP M2 with 1TB and 32 GB would be my choice. I use the MBP in clamshell mode with a large monitor. The price for this setup seems reasonable. Would you see any reason not to go for that configuration? I do not do much video editing.
The other videos in that thread are also good and instructive. Worth reading through the thread.

I assume you mean the 14" M2 Pro MBP and not the 14" M2 Max MBP? I think that the 14" M2 Pro MBP 32gb/1tb would likely work well for you, but the only way to truly know is to try it. Apple has a 14-day no questions asked return policy in order to spur sales to people who are on the fence. Rightly assuming that most will like it so much that they will keep it -- barring the ones who may get a defective unit, of course.

I use my recently bought 16" M2 Pro MBP 12/19 32gb/1tb connected to 2 external displays, but I do not use it in clamshell mode. I keep it open and use the 16.2" MBP display as a third display for the extended desktop. No reason to let the nice display go to waste. :-) You can optionally attach a separate keyboard and mouse, but you do not have to. I did the same with my 2019 15.6" ultrabook PC laptop. The 16" MBP is almost exactly the same size in all dimensions and weight as my older 15.6" ultrabook PC laptop. I have an external SSD for more storage.

See this thread about the Macbook power level:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66905834

I still have my wonderful M1 Mini 16gb/512gb, but I may try to sell it soon since I am not using it now. I decided I wanted to return to a laptop that I could unplug and take with me sometimes and use it in hotels when I am away from home for a few weeks.

Good luck with whatever you decide and please come back to let us know.
Here is one more thing I will mention. I am sure you know it, but it easy to not think about. It has to do with multi-tasking with multiple high memory usage programs running at the same time.

The 32gb memory would likely work very well even working on 200mp photos, but you would probably find it would do much better if when you are working on one you get out of any other programs that that use a lot of memory (such as a browser with a bunch of open tabs).

For people who do not mind spending a very large amount of money for the maximum memory, SSD size, etc. then, of course, this is not an issue for them, but for most of us we are trying to decide what to get while balancing cost, what will be adequate, and what we desire -- which often is much more than what would be adequate. :-)

Running only the main program (Lightroom Classic or whatever) when working on a huge 200mp file would probably mean you could get excellent performance without going to 64gb or 128gb memory. Sometimes we have to make compromises. Probably you are not working on 200mp photos throughout the day, every day so most of the time having multiple programs running would not be a problem with 32gb (or 16gb for that matter), I think.
 
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It all depends how much you want to spend. Most folks here would not spend a dime on an Intel based Mac anymore. But getting 32 Gb of RAM with Apple silicon will have its price.

I kind of like what Sonnet is offering here: https://www.sonnettech.com/product/egpu-breakaway-puck/overview.html.

I got a RX 560 Breakaway Puck new for $200 recently, which is considered as an entry level eGPU. But the most powerful option with 8 GB VRAM will set you back $ 699, though originally it was priced at $ 899 which was too expensive in my opinion. Unfortunately it seems to be out-of-stock. To get an idea the RX 560 is still 300% mor powerful than the Intel UHD 630 and it has 4 GB of VRAM.

Lately people seem to sell off their Blackmagic Radeon Pro 580 with 8 GB VRAM. There are good opportunities out there, I think.

Just an option to consider.

-Mark-
Marc, thank you for this experience. Considering the price of a fully loaded MPB with enough space and RAM to see things coming, I'm very tempted by this option as an immediate solution. Unfortunately, it seems that you were very lucky finding one, and at that price. Thanks!

By the way, in case I can get hold of one, is the additional V-memory provided recognised by LightRoom, as to display the restrained features ?

And do you know if all 5500, 5700, 560, do the job and have the compatibility with Mac?
 
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“Marc, thank you for this experience. Considering the price of a fully loaded MPB with enough space and RAM to see things coming, I'm very tempted by this option as an immediate solution.”

That’s why I wanted to mention it. CPU wise you will be left behind compared to an Apple silicon Mac, but GPU wise you can be very strong as well with your Mac Mini 2018.

I think that the company I bought my unit from still has one or two units available. But then it has to be shipped from the US to Switzerland which add a significant cost, I guess. And therefore it is also interesting to look after a used Blackmagic Radeon Pro 580 from Europe.

At the moment I am testing things out for myself too. I still use Apple’s Aperture and with macOS High Sierra it works just fine, but I’m not sure yet how much of a gain it is (it should be). Under macOS Mojave Aperture does not work with an eGPU; as soon as I click on a slider the image goes black. And as soon as I release it, the image comes back. But in both cases the operating system recognizes the eGPU with its 4 GB of VRAM.

“And do you know if all 5500, 5700, 560, do the job and have the compatibility with Mac?”

Most of the AMD graphic cards are compatible with macOS, but it depends on the OS version which one you can use. For example the RX 5700 needs macOS Catalina or beyond.

For more details about the RX 560 Breakaway Puck you can reach out to me by a private message.

-Mark-
 
Good luck with whatever you decide and please come back to let us know.
Here is one more thing I will mention. I am sure you know it, but it easy to not think about. It has to do with multi-tasking with multiple high memory usage programs running at the same time.

The 32gb memory would likely work very well even working on 200mp photos, but you would probably find it would do much better if when you are working on one you get out of any other programs that that use a lot of memory (such as a browser with a bunch of open tabs).

For people who do not mind spending a very large amount of money for the maximum memory, SSD size, etc. then, of course, this is not an issue for them, but for most of us we are trying to decide what to get while balancing cost, what will be adequate, and what we desire -- which often is much more than what would be adequate. :-)

Running only the main program (Lightroom Classic or whatever) when working on a huge 200mp file would probably mean you could get excellent performance without going to 64gb or 128gb memory. Sometimes we have to make compromises. Probably you are not working on 200mp photos throughout the day, every day so most of the time having multiple programs running would not be a problem with 32gb (or 16gb for that matter), I think.
Thanks for all the reminders. Having had another thought on this upgrade, I think I need the 2TB SSD and probably the 64GB of Ram, just to be comfortable for a few years. This rises the cost by 30%, but I'll probably be glad I did pay for the extra in years to come. My 2013 MBP is still running. Thank you for the hints.

Paul
 

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