Sale on Canon Pro-4100S 44"

[Kumsa]

Griffin Dales is offering a deep discount. sale price on Canon 44" printers, until the end of March. I would love to get one, if I could figure out where to have it placed in the house. My true fear is that they'll run something similar on a Canon 24" unit.

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www.dales-gs.com

Send me a note if you're interested, and I'll pass over what was sent to me.

 

[NAwlins Contrarian]

Griffin Dales is offering a deep discount. sale price on Canon 44" printers, until the end of March. I would love to get one, if I could figure out where to have it placed in the house. My true fear is that they'll run something similar on a Canon 24" unit.

https://www.dales-gs.com/product-p/canon-pro-4100s.htm

Send me a note if you're interested, and I'll pass over what was sent to me.

A couple of notes:

(1) Can you post that sale price? That webpage does not list it. FWIW, at B&H the current prices are $4502 for the Pro-4100S and $5091 for the Pro-4100. I think that Pro-4100 price jumped more that $1000 from just a day or two ago.

(2) For those who are not familiar, contrary to e.g. the Pro-100S versus the Pro-100 and the Pro-10S versus the Pro-10, the Pro-4100S has fewer ink colors compared to the regular Pro-4100. The colors lost are light gray, red, and blue, plus chroma optimizer. It's the Canon counterpart to the Epson P8000 being a fewer-colors version of the Epson P9000.

 

[nickbatz]

(1) Can you post that sale price? That webpage does not list it.

Yeah, I mean how much is it!

FWIW, at B&H the current prices are $4502 for the Pro-4100S and $5091 for the Pro-4100. I think that Pro-4100 price jumped more that $1000 from just a day or two ago.

(2) For those who are not familiar, contrary to e.g. the Pro-100S versus the Pro-100 and the Pro-10S versus the Pro-10, the Pro-4100S has fewer ink colors compared to the regular Pro-4100. The colors lost are light gray, red, and blue, plus chroma optimizer. It's the Canon counterpart to the Epson P8000 being a fewer-colors version of the Epson P9000.

The Pro-4100 (no S) is $4000 shipped from the Canon Store on Amazon.

Also, I wonder who buys the S version. People making store signs rather than fine art and photo prints?

 

[pcrc11]

Griffin Dales is offering a deep discount. sale price on Canon 44" printers, until the end of March. I would love to get one, if I could figure out where to have it placed in the house. My true fear is that they'll run something similar on a Canon 24" unit.

https://www.dales-gs.com/product-p/canon-pro-4100s.htm

Send me a note if you're interested, and I'll pass over what was sent to me.

A couple of notes:

(1) Can you post that sale price? That webpage does not list it. FWIW, at B&H the current prices are $4502 for the Pro-4100S and $5091 for the Pro-4100. I think that Pro-4100 price jumped more that $1000 from just a day or two ago.

(2) For those who are not familiar, contrary to e.g. the Pro-100S versus the Pro-100 and the Pro-10S versus the Pro-10, the Pro-4100S has fewer ink colors compared to the regular Pro-4100. The colors lost are light gray, red, and blue, plus chroma optimizer. It's the Canon counterpart to the Epson P8000 being a fewer-colors version of the Epson P9000.

Not sure which BH you are talking about but the BH I am familiar with has the 4100 at $4016.

 

[nickbatz]

Not sure which BH you are talking about but the BH I am familiar with has the 4100 at $4016.

There's only one, and you're right. It's the S version that's $500 more.

 

[Kumsa]

Here's the info as I received it:

We are offering an extremely low price of $3395 on the Canon Pro-4100S 44" wide format printer thru the end of March. The Canon Pro-4100S is a versatile printer for posters, banners, vinyl, fine art, and giclee printing and produces extraordinary colors on a variety of media.

The purchase must be made by March 31st for the discounted price.



- The price of $3395 includes freight. (A lift gate delivery will be an extra $50)

- The printer comes with 8 330ML ink cartridges (MSRP of $187 each for a total value of $1496.)

- The printer comes with a 1 Year parts and labor warranty.

Limited availability.

 

[nickbatz]

Here's the info as I received it:

We are offering an extremely low price of $3395 on the Canon Pro-4100S 44" wide format printer thru the end of March. The Canon Pro-4100S is a versatile printer for posters, banners, vinyl, fine art, and giclee printing and produces extraordinary colors on a variety of media.

The purchase must be made by March 31st for the discounted price.

- The price of $3395 includes freight. (A lift gate delivery will be an extra $50)

- The printer comes with 8 330ML ink cartridges (MSRP of $187 each for a total value of $1496.)

- The printer comes with a 1 Year parts and labor warranty.

Limited availability.

Thanks.

If they had the non-S version for that price I'd be very conflicted.

Today I paid $150 to have a big print made, last month $260 for another (larger) one. I love the Pro-1000 to pieces, but my ideas are consistently larger than 17" these days...

 

[NAwlins Contrarian]

FWIW, at B&H the current prices are $4502 for the Pro-4100S and $5091 for the Pro-4100. I think that Pro-4100 price jumped more that $1000 from just a day or two ago.

Not sure which BH you are talking about but the BH I am familiar with has the 4100 at $4016.

I agree that B&H had listed the Pro-4100 for $4016 (as I recently stated at https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66901226), and lists it at that price now. However, when I double-checked yesterday evening just before I posted the $5091 price--and commented that it had jumped more that $1000 from just a day or two before--I'm 84% positive that it was in fact at $5091. The likely reason is the nature of the deals that Canon has often offered. These deals have a 'limited time, expires X date' claim (often around the end of a month, like yesterday), that date comes and the deal goes away, and then anywhere from a few hours to a few days later, a new, often identical deal appears.

 

[nickbatz]

B&H had listed the Pro-4100 for

Definitely not your fault. I think I know what happened.

They had a thing saying it was a time-limited price that expires... probably in the last couple of days. (I saw it when I checked the price a few days ago.)

Most likely the price is programmed to return to the same price hours (?) after the expiration. So you happened to check during the short time it had reverted.

(As if anyone is going to rush into a $4000 printer the size of a horse because of that silly thing!)

 

[Rico Tudor]

If they had the non-S version for that price I'd be very conflicted.

The S model is designed to print signage, so any claimed equivalency to a real photo printer is suspect. In particular, it is missing 4 of the 12 carts used by the non-S: three pigment colors and the chroma optimizer. Since the initial ink load is 50% of the total cost, that means the "S" should be correspondingly cheaper and, again, may provide satisfaction to signage clientele only.

 

[nickbatz]

If they had the non-S version for that price I'd be very conflicted.

The S model is designed to print signage, so any claimed equivalency to a real photo printer is suspect. In particular, it is missing 4 of the 12 carts used by the non-S: three pigment colors and the chroma optimizer. Since the initial ink load is 50% of the total cost, that means the "S" should be correspondingly cheaper and, again, may provide satisfaction to signage clientele only.

Signage clientele! I like that. It sounds like high society.

Canon obviously saw a viable market for that version or they wouldn't have made it. But I'm guessing the market is smaller, which is why Canon set the price higher and this outfit set it lower (i.e. they can't move it).

 

[Gesture]

Funny. When I think of all the cameras and printers I have, I usually think at least I'm not collecting yachts. But a 44" inch printer is getting up in Leica territory when you consider ongoing costs ...

 

[Teila Day]

Funny. When I think of all the cameras and printers I have, I usually think at least I'm not collecting yachts. But a 44" inch printer is getting up in Leica territory when you consider ongoing costs ...

I think unless one prints a lot of prints for personal enjoyment, I don't see much in the way of mentionable "ongoing" cost. Even if you just printed one (1) print monthly, sold for $50 USD, that alone more than covers keeping nozzles clear and ink costs. The only way I see these printers as expensive, is when they're used to print regularly or sporadically primarily for one's personal happiness and hardly ever for income.

 

[nickbatz]

True.

Well, plus the cost of the machine itself.

For me the only question is when to upgrade. At my current rate I'm spending too much having big prints made.

 

[Teila Day]

(...) For me the only question is when to upgrade. At my current rate I'm spending too much having big prints made.

For example, if I knew I was going to print multiple times out of the year, and pay $250 or more for each of those prints for the next 3 years or so, then I'd buy my own printer without a 2nd thought.

$250 x 3 = $750 each year minimum paid for prints = x

3x = $2250.... and that's about the price of a new Canon 24in., 4100 series printer with full carts of ink. (presently that printer is selling for $2800 at Bh Photo.. even in this economy)

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You just have to do the math and see whether or not it's justifiable as a smart purchase decision based on your particulars

 

[nickbatz]

(...) For me the only question is when to upgrade. At my current rate I'm spending too much having big prints made.

For example, if I knew I was going to print multiple times out of the year, and pay $250 or more for each of those prints for the next 3 years or so, then I'd buy my own printer without a 2nd thought.

$250 x 3 = $750 each year minimum paid for prints = x

3x = $2250.... and that's about the price of a new Canon 24in., 4100 series printer with full carts of ink. (presently that printer is selling for $2800 at Bh Photo.. even in this economy)

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1514519-REG/canon_3867c002aa_pro_2100_printer.html

You just have to do the math and see whether or not it's justifiable as a smart purchase decision based on your particulars

Yeah.

The other factor is having the printer here rather than having to go out, talk the print shop through it (including supplying them with a proof print from my Pro-1000), spend the money...

Viewed another way, I'll end up printing more pictures that are 85% of my best work rather than just the very best ones. (That's a good thing.)

Also, I'd only buy a 24" printer if the price were extremely low. Too many of my pictures want to be larger.

...which raises a question: can you use 24" paper rolls in a 44" printer? Please?

By the way, the US economy is actually very good! It seems purely political for so many news reports to claim it's bad - when the unemployment rate is at a 2-generation low, consumer spending is high, inflation is slowing down (although no one knows whether it's over).

But one digresses...

 

[Teila Day]

(...) For me the only question is when to upgrade. At my current rate I'm spending too much having big prints made.

For example, if I knew I was going to print multiple times out of the year, and pay $250 or more for each of those prints for the next 3 years or so, then I'd buy my own printer without a 2nd thought.

$250 x 3 = $750 each year minimum paid for prints = x

3x = $2250.... and that's about the price of a new Canon 24in., 4100 series printer with full carts of ink. (presently that printer is selling for $2800 at Bh Photo.. even in this economy)

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1514519-REG/canon_3867c002aa_pro_2100_printer.html

You just have to do the math and see whether or not it's justifiable as a smart purchase decision based on your particulars

Yeah.

The other factor is having the printer here rather than having to go out, talk the print shop through it (including supplying them with a proof print from my Pro-1000), spend the money...

Viewed another way, I'll end up printing more pictures that are 85% of my best work rather than just the very best ones. (That's a good thing.)

Also, I'd only buy a 24" printer if the price were extremely low. Too many of my pictures want to be larger.

I'd highly recommend the 44" if you have the room for it. Remember, you have to think about it's width and the depth of the printer / how far it'll stick out from a wall for example.

...which raises a question: can you use 24" paper rolls in a 44" printer? Please?

Oh definitely! You can run 8x10 sheets through as well. The photos that I previously posted in this thread show a 17" wide roll and a 24" wide roll. For my own use, I seldom print smaller than 20x30'ish ... or poster size.

By the way, the US economy is actually very good! It seems purely political for so many news reports to claim it's bad - when the unemployment rate is at a 2-generation low, consumer spending is high, inflation is slowing down (although no one knows whether it's over).

But one digresses...

Hmmm.... You really have to look even larger than that, the truth is that it's even more complex / dynamic than that I'd say. Technically things may be humming along, but in reality you have jobs being effectively phased out or over saturated. If you spend $125k on an mechanical engineering degree today, your job prospects with little experience, may not be favorable. Same with many other jobs - but job stats don't often tell the real story. Pharm D? J.D.? Architect? Engineering in general, Commercial Pilot training with hopes of flying for a Major carrier.... accounting... physics.. there's a lot of job/career soul searching going on across the U.S. right now because for a lot of "non-fluff" college degrees, the ROI and upward mobility has become awful.

Starting pay of $55k in the '80's was peachy in most locales for a new graduate. It's dismal today in many locales if you don't want to live in or close to the higher crime areas.

The undergraduate degree today for most majors of study = the new high school diploma.

Grad school = the new bachelors degree

PhD or Professional degree is the new grad school.

Ok, back on track - I'd recommend 44" if you can swing it.

 

[nickbatz]

I'd highly recommend the 44" if you have the room for it. Remember, you have to think about it's width and the depth of the printer / how far it'll stick out from a wall for example.

Yes. 24" just isn't big enough for many of my pictures. And I've learned that galleries tend to want mostly "painting-sized" art, i.e. bigger than posters. They can sell them for more, never mind anything else.

But one digresses...

Hmmm.... You really have to look even larger than that, the truth is that it's even more complex / dynamic than that I'd say.

Oh, I totally agree with all of that, and if this were a different forum I'd have plenty more to say - and, shrieking liberal that I am, I'd go much farther and take it in several directions! Yes, there's way too much suffering.

But those are long-term "structural" issues. I'm just talking about the incessant propaganda lies about the economy, which are intended to make the incumbents look bad in the minds of voters.

Ok, back on track - I'd recommend 44" if you can swing it.

Thanks. Yes.