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Top-tier smartphone cameras
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Gal Root
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I don't see how mpix is relevant, maybe sensor size is more relevant. Regarding RAW, I don't know android phones that don't allow raw photos (stock or gcam).
What are we looking for exactly?
high resolution doesn't guarantee top tier
Patrick T. Kelly
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My phone camera doesn't make the cut.
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Patrick T. Kelly
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Dawn at Bahia Santa Cruz
Bahia La Entrega
Baby iquana
Barbed wire and bougainvillea
But, I'll struggle on.
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Patrick T. Kelly
Oaxaca, Mexico
NO. It's super important. Imagine Sony AR9 or similar high end camera with 12 megapixel photos. It's crap and wasted potential. Some of modern smartphones can take high quality 50 or 27 MPIX shots, so it's always better than best 12 megapixels. Taking pictures in forest having only 12 megapixels is sad for me :/ Lot of objects, leaves and details, which can't be captured using on limited resolution.
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2012 and Nokia N95My phone camera doesn't make the cut.
Dawn at Bahia Santa Cruz
Bahia La Entrega
Baby iquana
Barbed wire and bougainvillea
But, I'll struggle on.
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*for evenly lit, still, daylight scenes2012 and Nokia N95
Agree on that one, always will - something I had been saying for a long time. 12MP and only in 4:3 format. Most of us (using phones as an 'always with me' camera) also take photos in 16:9 HDTV format, which in turn further reduces the pixel count. Without the proper zoom and 'zooming with your feet' not always possible, either having more lenses or more pixels significantly reduces these shortcomings. Talking about more lenses, some are sadly tied up to much less capable sensor compared to the 'main' camera, se we often look at the quality of the primary camera as a reference - though this trend seems to be changing in positive direction on top tier models.
Knowing what Samsung 108MP sensor in Mi Note 10 and Mi 11 can do gives me the hopes the new HP2 may bring even more. Lastly, on the sensor size - yes, it does improve the overall image quality the bigger it gets, married to a better quality fast lens. But, IMO, it creates another annoying problem - shallow DOF. May be the old school, in my times 24mm lens was very wide and got used to that perspective (exaggerating front objects, closing it down and getting endless DOF). Nowadays, the 24 EQ is a 'new normal' yet the DOF is so shallow and no way to control it - manufacturers are concentrated how to create additional fake blur - I'd rather like to see the 'real sharpness' as the DOF on these new large sensors is already shallow enough (whether we want it or not). So yeah, bring the large sensors, fast lenses and some aperture control too.
Gal Root
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I never said megapixels aren't important. I said that it's not a relevant feature for filtering since both cheap crappy phone and high end can get high mp count.
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Notice how it's hard to even start this list when several dozen Android devices with "48MP, 64MP and 108MP " cameras have existed for maybe 3+ years now.
Best I can think of out of the box that can do FULL SENSOR unbinned raw shooting are some newer ASUS models , then by having to do some work is Oneplus and Xiaomi models with GCAM porting and maybe root.
Countless bigger brand phones at least major market devices , even lower cost phones have offered phones that shoot full sensor jpegs, but all of them IMO have not so pleasing in-camera jpeg processing. I have heard all of these phones that do can do full sensor jpeg shooting have sensor limitations that don't allow full sensor shooting or " manufacture thinks shooting raw takes too much storage space" LOL. Apple did some leap-frogging over these manufactures with the 14pro. Apple was mainly known to have better video shooting but not anymore LOL.
Hopefully for Samsung's sake the S23 doesn't bin down "200MP" sensor to 12MP max raw again.
Best I can think of out of the box that can do FULL SENSOR unbinned raw shooting are some newer ASUS models , then by having to do some work is Oneplus and Xiaomi models with GCAM porting and maybe root.
Countless bigger brand phones at least major market devices , even lower cost phones have offered phones that shoot full sensor jpegs, but all of them IMO have not so pleasing in-camera jpeg processing. I have heard all of these phones that do can do full sensor jpeg shooting have sensor limitations that don't allow full sensor shooting or " manufacture thinks shooting raw takes too much storage space" LOL. Apple did some leap-frogging over these manufactures with the 14pro. Apple was mainly known to have better video shooting but not anymore LOL.
Hopefully for Samsung's sake the S23 doesn't bin down "200MP" sensor to 12MP max raw again.
if you look at the blue crossing sign and the background under it, you can see artifacts introduced
For a tiny quad bayer sensor it is nothing short of impressive. Yes, there are artifacts in daylight photos as well, but you can clearly see the person on the smartphone in the window
. I don't mid if the photo app just spits the JPEG -for years have been developing NEFs from my Nikons, then gave up for the most (in the end gave up shooting RAW for that matter - the gain was miniscule for what I take the photos for). Now with the phone camera I care even less about pixel peeping and expecting medium format quality. Yet again, with the lack of true zoom, want some ability to crop (or in my case rotate as notoriously having tilted horizon, even with all of aids enabled, just cannot help myself).
Xiaomi 12T pro, 200 MP, f/1.7, (wide), 1/1.22"
50mp straight out of phone stock camera app:
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50mp straight out of phone stock camera app:
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That's not an artifact, the sign has a reflective material that becomes visible in photos
However, definitely there ARE different kinds of artifacts yes – it's not perfect. But 48 megapixels give lots of room for fixing issues and I enjoy the results.
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