I love Olympus but…

[melnais]

Make a Leica M-9 clone. Get the rangefinder from the Voightlander Bessa cameras. Three manual focus lenses, 15mm, 20mm and 42.5mm.

16mp sensor.

$600.00 body only.

Tedolph

Why not a step zoom instead 15,30 52.5 plus As a owner of a M-9 I can vouch for the low light capabilities of the sensor the mft mob here would be beside themselves with glee, as I trail off …..

 

[tomhongkong]

Nice wish list, but OMDS has to turn a profit and you're asking them to reduce their income while increasing their expenditures on developing new products. To my mind that's not realistic for any company that wants to remain in business in the long-term. With camera sales declining overall the future of the smaller camera manufacturers is probably in doubt. I'm an Olympus user for the long haul, but that doesn't mean our grandchildren will use cameras as we know them.

That is a really good post.

I would think that OM Systems, just spun-off from Olympus corporate, has to make sure they are profitable almost right away. They do have some advantages as I am sure they are free of some corporate legacy costs. But each product essentially has to stand on it's own. They are researching and introducing new things (cameras, lenses) but I am sure they are really watching their P's and Q's.

The really good sign is that the OM-1, the likely highly profitable 100-450, and the recent 50-140F4 have all been very well received.

The spin-off company from Olympus corporate is called OMDS (short for OM Digital Solutions). Their brand name is OM system (singular).

Fun technical fact, but immaterial to my post.

Fun as in knowing whom and what you're talking about?

Like knowing when to use 'whom' and 'who'

 

[melnais]

Though it isn’t about nitpicking

 

[Jappie52]

Nice wish list, but OMDS has to turn a profit and you're asking them to reduce their income while increasing their expenditures on developing new products. To my mind that's not realistic for any company that wants to remain in business in the long-term. With camera sales declining overall the future of the smaller camera manufacturers is probably in doubt. I'm an Olympus user for the long haul, but that doesn't mean our grandchildren will use cameras as we know them.

That is a really good post.

I would think that OM Systems, just spun-off from Olympus corporate, has to make sure they are profitable almost right away. They do have some advantages as I am sure they are free of some corporate legacy costs. But each product essentially has to stand on it's own. They are researching and introducing new things (cameras, lenses) but I am sure they are really watching their P's and Q's.

The really good sign is that the OM-1, the likely highly profitable 100-450, and the recent 50-140F4 have all been very well received.

The spin-off company from Olympus corporate is called OMDS (short for OM Digital Solutions). Their brand name is OM system (singular).

Fun technical fact, but immaterial to my post.

Fun as in knowing whom and what you're talking about?

Like knowing when to use 'whom' and 'who'

Exactly. Do you?

 

[tomhongkong]

Nice wish list, but OMDS has to turn a profit and you're asking them to reduce their income while increasing their expenditures on developing new products. To my mind that's not realistic for any company that wants to remain in business in the long-term. With camera sales declining overall the future of the smaller camera manufacturers is probably in doubt. I'm an Olympus user for the long haul, but that doesn't mean our grandchildren will use cameras as we know them.

That is a really good post.

I would think that OM Systems, just spun-off from Olympus corporate, has to make sure they are profitable almost right away. They do have some advantages as I am sure they are free of some corporate legacy costs. But each product essentially has to stand on it's own. They are researching and introducing new things (cameras, lenses) but I am sure they are really watching their P's and Q's.

The really good sign is that the OM-1, the likely highly profitable 100-450, and the recent 50-140F4 have all been very well received.

The spin-off company from Olympus corporate is called OMDS (short for OM Digital Solutions). Their brand name is OM system (singular).

Fun technical fact, but immaterial to my post.

Fun as in knowing whom and what you're talking about?

Like knowing when to use 'whom' and 'who'

Exactly. Do you?

Conventional English is that whom is applied to reference to an object, and who is applied to reference of a subject. In the sentence above whom is applied to a subject (in E. Lang. terminology)

 

[BackToNature1]

Nice wish list, but OMDS has to turn a profit and you're asking them to reduce their income while increasing their expenditures on developing new products. To my mind that's not realistic for any company that wants to remain in business in the long-term. With camera sales declining overall the future of the smaller camera manufacturers is probably in doubt. I'm an Olympus user for the long haul, but that doesn't mean our grandchildren will use cameras as we know them.

So Potential a Slow BLANK due to lack of increasing their expenditures aka R&D which many on this threads actually believe is the way Forward? Well it's no wonder that the original company has issues. If the current crop of owners/buyers have the same mindset, well it curtains for OMD, sooner than later.

 

[Jappie52]

Nice wish list, but OMDS has to turn a profit and you're asking them to reduce their income while increasing their expenditures on developing new products. To my mind that's not realistic for any company that wants to remain in business in the long-term. With camera sales declining overall the future of the smaller camera manufacturers is probably in doubt. I'm an Olympus user for the long haul, but that doesn't mean our grandchildren will use cameras as we know them.

That is a really good post.

I would think that OM Systems, just spun-off from Olympus corporate, has to make sure they are profitable almost right away. They do have some advantages as I am sure they are free of some corporate legacy costs. But each product essentially has to stand on it's own. They are researching and introducing new things (cameras, lenses) but I am sure they are really watching their P's and Q's.

The really good sign is that the OM-1, the likely highly profitable 100-450, and the recent 50-140F4 have all been very well received.

The spin-off company from Olympus corporate is called OMDS (short for OM Digital Solutions). Their brand name is OM system (singular).

Fun technical fact, but immaterial to my post.

Fun as in knowing whom and what you're talking about?

Like knowing when to use 'whom' and 'who'

Exactly. Do you?

Conventional English is that whom is applied to reference to an object, and who is applied to reference of a subject.

Exactly.

In the sentence above whom is applied to a subject (in E. Lang. terminology)

Really? So on this page https://www.grammarly.com/blog/who-vs-whom-its-not-as-complicated-as-you-might-think/ they're wrong considering "Whom do you believe?" to be correct?

(Yes, I know this going way off topic).

 

[Gary from Seattle]

Nice wish list, but OMDS has to turn a profit and you're asking them to reduce their income while increasing their expenditures on developing new products. To my mind that's not realistic for any company that wants to remain in business in the long-term. With camera sales declining overall the future of the smaller camera manufacturers is probably in doubt. I'm an Olympus user for the long haul, but that doesn't mean our grandchildren will use cameras as we know them.

That is a really good post.

I would think that OM Systems, just spun-off from Olympus corporate, has to make sure they are profitable almost right away. They do have some advantages as I am sure they are free of some corporate legacy costs. But each product essentially has to stand on it's own. They are researching and introducing new things (cameras, lenses) but I am sure they are really watching their P's and Q's.

The really good sign is that the OM-1, the likely highly profitable 100-450, and the recent 50-140F4 have all been very well received.

The spin-off company from Olympus corporate is called OMDS (short for OM Digital Solutions). Their brand name is OM system (singular).

Fun technical fact, but immaterial to my post.

Fun as in knowing whom and what you're talking about?

Like knowing when to use 'whom' and 'who'

Exactly. Do you?

Conventional English is that whom is applied to reference to an object, and who is applied to reference of a subject.

Exactly.

In the sentence above whom is applied to a subject (in E. Lang. terminology)

Really? So on this page https://www.grammarly.com/blog/who-vs-whom-its-not-as-complicated-as-you-might-think/ they're wrong considering "Whom do you believe?" to be correct?

you is the subject, whom the object in this sentence.

(Yes, I know this going way off topic).

That might just be your strong suit, such as it is.

 

[NikonBiologist]

IMO if they want to survive they should:

- Reduce the price of their new items (EM1, EM5, 40-150/4.0 Pro,…..)

That would be nice, but at least the new prices always drop within a few months.

- Create a nice new Pen-F

Just updating it to the specs of the OM-5 would be sufficient for many of us.

- Create tele-lenses at a reasonable price and weight (135/2.0, 200/2.8, lighter 300/4.0, 400/4.0…)

Maybe it's just me, but I am fine with the weight of the 300 f4 lens, and that's coming from the PL 200 f2.8, which felt denser and not as well balanced as the 300. Without specialized technologies, like Nikon's PF lenses, you can't make lightweight fast long prime lenses.

- Introduce a new BSI 24 MP sensor. I know, not very important, but good for sales. And they need more sales.

A few more MP would be welcome by many even if it does little for IQ.

- Create an extender 1.4x compatible with many Olympus and Panasonic lenses.

Go one step farther and have Panny and OMDS/Oly cameras play nicer with each other--IBIS, etc.

- In the long term, create 3 well differentiated lines of cameras: Pro/Fast/Video, Still photography ‘SLR’ look, Still photography ‘Leica M’ look.

I think the Pro and fast lines would be identical, so that's redundant. Video would be an uphill battle with the Panasonic cameras.

I know, this is subjective, but hey, may I dream sometimes? (-

My only wish list item is a Pen-F II and a cheaper 150-400 option; something in between the current 100-400 and the 150-400. Maybe a 200-500 f5.6? (wait...that's just like the Nikon lens

 

[EZGritz]

They are doing exactly what they need to do. The system has improved because they are able to charge more money for it. If they have to reduce the prices they will not survive. The lenses and bodies for the OM-1 are already much less expensive than the FF gear they compete with. You can still buy inexpensive gear from OMS. Just don't expect the same quality for less money. The system is not overpriced. It's less expensive by far.

 

[awmaster10]

Nice wish list, but OMDS has to turn a profit and you're asking them to reduce their income while increasing their expenditures on developing new products. To my mind that's not realistic for any company that wants to remain in business in the long-term. With camera sales declining overall the future of the smaller camera manufacturers is probably in doubt. I'm an Olympus user for the long haul, but that doesn't mean our grandchildren will use cameras as we know them.

That is a really good post.

I would think that OM Systems, just spun-off from Olympus corporate, has to make sure they are profitable almost right away. They do have some advantages as I am sure they are free of some corporate legacy costs. But each product essentially has to stand on it's own. They are researching and introducing new things (cameras, lenses) but I am sure they are really watching their P's and Q's.

The really good sign is that the OM-1, the likely highly profitable 100-450, and the recent 50-140F4 have all been very well received.

The spin-off company from Olympus corporate is called OMDS (short for OM Digital Solutions). Their brand name is OM system (singular).

Did you know what he meant? Who gives a damn, we all know what everybody is talking about. Even saying Olympus should be fine, unless you are really that dense that you think somebody is talking about the medical devices company.

 

[Henry Stamm]

You do realize that Olympus is no longer in the consumer camera business, right?

So, who are we if not consumers?

I suspect you meant the "mass market" camera business.

No, I meant consumer camera business--as in Olympus no longer makes or markets consumer-oriented cameras. That is, the two OM bodies that have been released are not made or marketed by Olympus. Of course, Olympus still makes medical imaging equipment, but as a general rule, this market in that niche are not consumers of digital cameras like the two recent releases of OM bodies.

I certainly hope that whatever JIP does as OMDS continues to release product allows the OMDS brand to continue to survive. It would be bad if Panasonic had no further competition in MFT, they might bail completely and only focus on L-mount.

I agree with your hopes about OMDS brand cameras.

 

[Jappie52]

Nice wish list, but OMDS has to turn a profit and you're asking them to reduce their income while increasing their expenditures on developing new products. To my mind that's not realistic for any company that wants to remain in business in the long-term. With camera sales declining overall the future of the smaller camera manufacturers is probably in doubt. I'm an Olympus user for the long haul, but that doesn't mean our grandchildren will use cameras as we know them.

That is a really good post.

I would think that OM Systems, just spun-off from Olympus corporate, has to make sure they are profitable almost right away. They do have some advantages as I am sure they are free of some corporate legacy costs. But each product essentially has to stand on it's own. They are researching and introducing new things (cameras, lenses) but I am sure they are really watching their P's and Q's.

The really good sign is that the OM-1, the likely highly profitable 100-450, and the recent 50-140F4 have all been very well received.

The spin-off company from Olympus corporate is called OMDS (short for OM Digital Solutions). Their brand name is OM system (singular).

Fun technical fact, but immaterial to my post.

Fun as in knowing whom and what you're talking about?

Like knowing when to use 'whom' and 'who'

Exactly. Do you?

Conventional English is that whom is applied to reference to an object, and who is applied to reference of a subject.

Exactly.

In the sentence above whom is applied to a subject (in E. Lang. terminology)

Really? So on this page https://www.grammarly.com/blog/who-vs-whom-its-not-as-complicated-as-you-might-think/ they're wrong considering "Whom do you believe?" to be correct?

you is the subject, whom the object in this sentence.

Thank you, that's what I meant.

(Yes, I know this going way off topic).

That might just be your strong suit, such as it is.

Peace on Earth, Gary.

 

[Henry Stamm]

I need to correct what I said above: JIP/OMDS still markets a few of the Olympus cameras, but it's not clear if they are still manufacturing these bodies, or merely selling off the remaining stock inherited from Olympus is the purchase agreement.

 

[FoPar]

Nice wish list, but OMDS has to turn a profit and you're asking them to reduce their income while increasing their expenditures on developing new products. To my mind that's not realistic for any company that wants to remain in business in the long-term. With camera sales declining overall the future of the smaller camera manufacturers is probably in doubt. I'm an Olympus user for the long haul, but that doesn't mean our grandchildren will use cameras as we know them.

That is a really good post.

I would think that OM Systems, just spun-off from Olympus corporate, has to make sure they are profitable almost right away. They do have some advantages as I am sure they are free of some corporate legacy costs. But each product essentially has to stand on it's own. They are researching and introducing new things (cameras, lenses) but I am sure they are really watching their P's and Q's.

The really good sign is that the OM-1, the likely highly profitable 100-450, and the recent 50-140F4 have all been very well received.

The spin-off company from Olympus corporate is called OMDS (short for OM Digital Solutions). Their brand name is OM system (singular).

Fun technical fact, but immaterial to my post.

Fun as in knowing whom and what you're talking about?

Like knowing when to use 'whom' and 'who'

Exactly. Do you?

Conventional English is that whom is applied to reference to an object, and who is applied to reference of a subject.

Exactly.

In the sentence above whom is applied to a subject (in E. Lang. terminology)

Really? So on this page https://www.grammarly.com/blog/who-vs-whom-its-not-as-complicated-as-you-might-think/ they're wrong considering "Whom do you believe?" to be correct?

you is the subject, whom the object in this sentence.

(Yes, I know this going way off topic).

That might just be your strong suit, such as it is.

Whose whom?

 

[JosephScha]

I have no opinion about Olympus. But I do have an opinion about this wish list: It is not something any photo company will do.

Two lines of cameras, maybe. 3 lines? I highly doubt it. And inexpensive 300mm f/4? Well that would be lovely, but I sincerely doubt that the existing 300mm f/4 is being sold for more than double the actual cost of production, which is reasonable. (If you think that it costs over $1000 to produce an iPhone in China, let me disabuse you: Apple is making a ton of profit on every iPhone. Cost of production is likely less than half the price you pay.)

In the current environment where many expect a recession in the US, and in Europe, and China is not meeting its economic goals, it is not likely that any camera company will launch a major new development to have a 3rd line of cameras, or inexpensive lenses to undercut their existing more expensive (and excellent) lenses.

 

[EZGritz]

Olympus can't make money in the consumer camera business. Neither can any other camera company. Only cell phone companies can. For cameras, consumers think are not as good and certainly not as convenient, camera companies only lose money. They can't reduce prices because they have to reduce the quality for those cameras too.

It's pretty clear that camera companies have to pursue high-quality, high-price camera niches to survive. M43 has forced FF camera makers to reduce size and weight and that's a good thing. They are a lot more expensive and the IQ gap has narrowed to nearly nothing for general photography. OMS has the direction right and OLY needs to stay out of it so they don't lose money again. Collaboration and paid R&D and engineering and innovation with/for OMS is a good strategy for OLYMPUS.

 

[jc11]

Nice wish list, but OMDS has to turn a profit and you're asking them to reduce their income while increasing their expenditures on developing new products. To my mind that's not realistic for any company that wants to remain in business in the long-term. With camera sales declining overall the future of the smaller camera manufacturers is probably in doubt. I'm an Olympus user for the long haul, but that doesn't mean our grandchildren will use cameras as we know them.

I cannot even get my grand kids interested in my Cameras. Their phones are their choice for photography. I have given a couple PS cameras to judge their interest, and no dice.

 

[EZGritz]

So easy with a cell phone. No need to learn anything. The camera does it all for them. For a generation who grew up with them, they will never use dedicated cameras unless they become serious about photography. They live on their cell phones, may never have wirelines, may never learn to write their names in curser. Life has changed a lot since and because of the first iPhone and social networks.

 

[Regor250]

From my point of view :

-renew sensors more often, 24...28 Mp would be nice to have;

Like the GH6 25MPix sensor? Tx, but 'd rather pass. If more MPix = better IQ, sure, but that isn't a foregone conclusion.

-release that 90mm macro lens;

-make longer tele lenses than 400mm;

Really? Comes a point where handling becomes very difficult. 800mm equivalent is pretty hard to handle as it is.

-maybe some people will be happy if the MINI series come back (but they had to check first if a MINI camera will have good sales).

But of course they need to make profit from this and probably they cannot do everything we wish from them.

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