Canon R1 - Not Being Produced until 2024

[tvstaff]

I went to B&H Photo and was told that Canon will not be producing the R1 for release until 2024. Perhaps others have the same news?

 

[Cristi CC]

What are you missing from the present lineup?

R1 must be a revolutionary camera. Not just an evolution.

 

[evertdoorn]

I would not take a B&H sales rep as the most reliable of sources...or any sales person for that matter.

The latest R1 news on CR says (and this is also coming from one of their sources so take it with a grain of salt):

We have been told that the Canon EOS R1 is scheduled for the 2nd half of 2023 for an announcement and that we could see teasers beginning in the spring.

Either way, it will not be until '23 until we hear the first concrete things about it from Canon. Fine with me, gives me some time to save up

 

[Steve Balcombe]

I would not take a B&H sales rep as the most reliable of sources...or any sales person for that matter.

I agree. The translation of "no R1 until 2024" is "buy an R3 from me today!"

 

[JohnSil]

I went to B&H Photo and was told that Canon will not be producing the R1 for release until 2024. Perhaps others have the same news?

Probably be on the streets by mid 24. WHY? Because you can bet your bottom dollar it will be ready by the Paris Olympics. MANY of the 1 models are introduced to coincide with the Olympics!

John

 

[Summerjoy]

I would not take a B&H sales rep as the most reliable of sources...or any sales person for that matter.

I agree. The translation of "no R1 until 2024" is "buy an R3 from me today!"

Agree. Nothing to add

 

[dmanthree]

I went to B&H Photo and was told that Canon will not be producing the R1 for release until 2024. Perhaps others have the same news?

Maybe their sale staff is saying that so you buy something now and now wait for the R1?

 

[EJ Fudd]

[No message]

 

[John Crowe]

The R1 has not even been announced!

 

[Neil Schofield]

1DX3 + four years would be consistent with Canons track record

 

[EmotionBlur]

I went to B&H Photo and was told that Canon will not be producing the R1 for release until 2024. Perhaps others have the same news?

Probably be on the streets by mid 24. WHY? Because you can bet your bottom dollar it will be ready by the Paris Olympics. MANY of the 1 models are introduced to coincide with the Olympics!

John

Good guess, I guess (sry) the B&H salesman thought the same; but I wonder why not 2023 Q3/4? Like they're desperately trying to fit the development with a supposedly very tight milestone, that is the Olympics.

 

[EmotionBlur]

The R1 has not even been announced!

In fact we're talking Olympic Games 2024, not 2022.

 

[Tazz93]

Its definitely possible, but I'm not sold on that idea. IMO, using the Olympics to market a camera is smart, but not for this body. The photogs at the Olympics will likely not be the target audience of the camera (at least considering how Canon has marketing the R3). Canon has sold the R3 as their Olympic body for sports and PJs. So leveraging the Olympics in a completely new direction and capability set just seems odd. The only way it makes sense is if they plan to make it the R3's equal in sports. That, in its own right, seems unlikely. If they did, what's the use of bringing back the 3 series line? The R3 just gets even more niche, not to mention the amount of bad will they would be creating with the people who bought in to the R3 if the Nikon and Sony way is the right way (higher res flagships that do everything).

Again, its is still possible that Canon will do it, and it wouldn't be the first time the Canon has created an odd proposition in their line. Either way, I'm not terribly vested. I'm in the camp that the body will be prohibitably expensive. I'm thinking $7,500 - $8,500 is the highest likelihood, but there is a scenario where they do something odd and create a similar body to the R3 at $6,500. But IMO, that body would not be as stacked as the rumors suggest. The hardware that supports the rumors will be a significant cost adder.

Should be interesting to see how they spin it.

 

[JohnSil]

IMO, using the Olympics to market a camera is smart, but not for this body.

So leveraging the Olympics in a completely new direction and capability set just seems odd.

I'm in the camp that the body will be prohibitably expensive. I'm thinking $7,500 - $8,500 is the highest likelihood,

Should be interesting to see how they spin it.

Tazz, we of course have no idea how Canon will spin it. BUT if Canon does not push the R! as the ultimate sports camera, or Olympic Camera, it will actually be the FIRST time it has NOT done so. The 1 bodies have always been the action camera. I hope it IS high mp, it would be the first time the 1 model would double as a sports camera and an equally competent wildlife camera. And lets not forget the video aspect. The 1Dxlll was the most video heavy Canon made until the R series. A high mp 1 body would be an amazing camera, especially since the R3 is not high mp. It could be the ultimate sports, wildlife and video camera which a flagship should be. The 1 bodies have always been marketed around the Olympic Games! As to cost, I just hope you're wrong but you may not be!!

John

 

[David Hull]

I would not take a B&H sales rep as the most reliable of sources...or any sales person for that matter.

I agree. The translation of "no R1 until 2024" is "buy an R3 from me today!"

Yep. Salesmen (and stores) make money by selling what they have. And..., if they don't have any R3's they'' try to make you a fine deal on that R5 that's right there on the shelf.

That said: Things like the R1, often get launched with some fanfair in conjunction with an Olympics or something - that sort of points to 2024 as well. The Summer Olympics starts in July of 2024.

 

[tvstaff]

There are technology enhancements that improve DR, Focus, Color Rendition, Resolution, and Tracking. I am will to pay for these things to facilitate my ART

Composition, Subject Matter, Creative Lighting, Creative Exposure, Post Production are human elements that are ART not SCIENCE

I can only speak for For those of us who shoot professional sports and fashion

I would be more than willing to Pay $8,000 per copy for the R1 if it is able to meet my needs by enhancing what I do.

My very best to you!!!

Every one of the pictures below would have benefited from enhanced DR, Focus, Color Rendition, Resolution, and Tracking. If the R1 is "Real" and indeed is able to bridge the gap between FF and MF, for sports and Fashion I welcome the tool.









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Fashion, Sports, Portraits & Street are my interests. Shoot Canon, Nikon & Fuji.

 

[Tazz93]

IMO, using the Olympics to market a camera is smart, but not for this body.

So leveraging the Olympics in a completely new direction and capability set just seems odd.

I'm in the camp that the body will be prohibitably expensive. I'm thinking $7,500 - $8,500 is the highest likelihood,

Should be interesting to see how they spin it.

Tazz, we of course have no idea how Canon will spin it. BUT if Canon does not push the R! as the ultimate sports camera, or Olympic Camera, it will actually be the FIRST time it has NOT done so. The 1 bodies have always been the action camera. I hope it IS high mp, it would be the first time the 1 model would double as a sports camera and an equally competent wildlife camera. And lets not forget the video aspect. The 1Dxlll was the most video heavy Canon made until the R series. A high mp 1 body would be an amazing camera, especially since the R3 is not high mp. It could be the ultimate sports, wildlife and video camera which a flagship should be. The 1 bodies have always been marketed around the Olympic Games! As to cost, I just hope you're wrong but you may not be!!

John

I'd argue the most similar 1Series body to the rumored R1, was not the most capable sports body (1Ds, II, III). At no point during the 1Ds Series was it considered the optimal sports body. And all of them had the most obscene prices of Canon's history meaning.... some prices, to this day, haven't been matched.

What is also interesting, I believe all of the 1Ds Series bodies were NOT announced in conjunction with an Olympic games (although at least one was announced just after an Olympics).

You bring up an interesting point around the video rumors. If the resolution rumors are correct, the video specs should be quite lack luster, but the rumors suggest otherwise. Generally speaking, high res cameras have a handicap when it comes to video. The very thing that makes them special, high res, requires very intensive image processing or severely dampened image quality through line skipping or binning. 8k is a sweet point right now, its high enough to offer a near straight read off the sensor, but low enough for the CPU to process any small oversampling. However a 60+ MP resolution will start to create oversampling problems. And the rumors of a near 12k photo resolution sensor (80-90MP) just seem out of touch with the times and processing. We'll see though... lots of interesting tech being forecast in that body.

 

[BirdShooter7]

IMO, using the Olympics to market a camera is smart, but not for this body.

So leveraging the Olympics in a completely new direction and capability set just seems odd.

I'm in the camp that the body will be prohibitably expensive. I'm thinking $7,500 - $8,500 is the highest likelihood,

Should be interesting to see how they spin it.

Tazz, we of course have no idea how Canon will spin it. BUT if Canon does not push the R! as the ultimate sports camera, or Olympic Camera, it will actually be the FIRST time it has NOT done so. The 1 bodies have always been the action camera. I hope it IS high mp, it would be the first time the 1 model would double as a sports camera and an equally competent wildlife camera. And lets not forget the video aspect. The 1Dxlll was the most video heavy Canon made until the R series. A high mp 1 body would be an amazing camera, especially since the R3 is not high mp. It could be the ultimate sports, wildlife and video camera which a flagship should be. The 1 bodies have always been marketed around the Olympic Games! As to cost, I just hope you're wrong but you may not be!!

John

Yes it seems to me that the R1 will be high speed and high MP and like the EOS 3 the R3 will be one and done. Sony and Nikon already have done it so I can’t imagine Canon won’t as well.

 

[tvstaff]

IMO, using the Olympics to market a camera is smart, but not for this body.

So leveraging the Olympics in a completely new direction and capability set just seems odd.

I'm in the camp that the body will be prohibitably expensive. I'm thinking $7,500 - $8,500 is the highest likelihood,

Should be interesting to see how they spin it.

Tazz, we of course have no idea how Canon will spin it. BUT if Canon does not push the R! as the ultimate sports camera, or Olympic Camera, it will actually be the FIRST time it has NOT done so. The 1 bodies have always been the action camera. I hope it IS high mp, it would be the first time the 1 model would double as a sports camera and an equally competent wildlife camera. And lets not forget the video aspect. The 1Dxlll was the most video heavy Canon made until the R series. A high mp 1 body would be an amazing camera, especially since the R3 is not high mp. It could be the ultimate sports, wildlife and video camera which a flagship should be. The 1 bodies have always been marketed around the Olympic Games! As to cost, I just hope you're wrong but you may not be!!

John

I'd argue the most similar 1Series body to the rumored R1, was not the most capable sports body (1Ds, II, III). At no point during the 1Ds Series was it considered the optimal sports body. And all of them had the most obscene prices of Canon's history meaning.... some prices, to this day, haven't been matched.

I think with tax I paid $7,500 for my first 1DX in April of 2012, I recently used it for BTS at Miami Swim Week. It's still a good camera, even with bad lighting at a high ISO. With good lighting, if you fill the frame with good glass, still very good. Well worth the $7,500.

What is also interesting, I believe all of the 1Ds Series bodies were NOT announced in conjunction with an Olympic games (although at least one was announced just after an Olympics).

You bring up an interesting point around the video rumors. If the resolution rumors are correct, the video specs should be quite lack luster, but the rumors suggest otherwise. Generally speaking, high res cameras have a handicap when it comes to video.

Here is where, "I don't get it"

If I want a video camera I'll buy a dedicated video camera, the C300, MAVO Edge, Red Digital, or... even a Z CAM E2 F8 which is really outstanding.

The R1 IMHO should bridge the divide between FF and MF for Canon. I'm not worried about oversampling issues when I buy a GFX 100s or a Hasselblad HD6-100c.

The winning combination for thecR1 is that I can't shoot sports with the Fuji or Hasselblad, nor can I shoot a wedding and get the fps I need as Dad sneezes into his son-in-laws hair Nor can I do BIF or shoot Fashion Runway.

The Canon R1 with the same DR as the Fuji and Hasselblad with hopefully the same color rendition and at least 15fps at 85MP WILL/SHALL/CAN shoot sports, BIF, weddings, portraits, landscapes, street, runway and studio fashion.

The people waiting for the R1 don't want a Z CAM E2 F8

They want the Holy Grail of still cameras that just happens to take "decent video"

The R1 is Canon's chance to build what could be "The Best" still camera ever made for professional photographers. Sports or not! A cross-genre camera like the R1, could end up being the most successful and profitable "professional camera" ever produced.

The very thing that makes them special, high res, requires very intensive image processing or severely dampened image quality through line skipping or binning. 8k is a sweet point right now, its high enough to offer a near straight read off the sensor, but low enough for the CPU to process any small oversampling. However a 60+ MP resolution will start to create oversampling problems. And the rumors of a near 12k photo resolution sensor (80-90MP) just seem out of touch with the times and processing. We'll see though... lots of interesting tech being forecast in that body.

--
Fashion, Sports, Portraits & Street are my interests. Shoot Canon, Nikon & Fuji.

 

[JohnSil]

IMO, using the Olympics to market a camera is smart, but not for this body.

So leveraging the Olympics in a completely new direction and capability set just seems odd.

I'm in the camp that the body will be prohibitably expensive. I'm thinking $7,500 - $8,500 is the highest likelihood,

Should be interesting to see how they spin it.

Tazz, we of course have no idea how Canon will spin it. BUT if Canon does not push the R! as the ultimate sports camera, or Olympic Camera, it will actually be the FIRST time it has NOT done so. The 1 bodies have always been the action camera. I hope it IS high mp, it would be the first time the 1 model would double as a sports camera and an equally competent wildlife camera. And lets not forget the video aspect. The 1Dxlll was the most video heavy Canon made until the R series. A high mp 1 body would be an amazing camera, especially since the R3 is not high mp. It could be the ultimate sports, wildlife and video camera which a flagship should be. The 1 bodies have always been marketed around the Olympic Games! As to cost, I just hope you're wrong but you may not be!!

John

I'd argue the most similar 1Series body to the rumored R1, was not the most capable sports body (1Ds, II, III). At no point during the 1Ds Series was it considered the optimal sports body. And all of them had the most obscene prices of Canon's history meaning.... some prices, to this day, haven't been matched.

What is also interesting, I believe all of the 1Ds Series bodies were NOT announced in conjunction with an Olympic games (although at least one was announced just after an Olympics).

You bring up an interesting point around the video rumors. If the resolution rumors are correct, the video specs should be quite lack luster, but the rumors suggest otherwise. Generally speaking, high res cameras have a handicap when it comes to video. The very thing that makes them special, high res, requires very intensive image processing or severely dampened image quality through line skipping or binning. 8k is a sweet point right now, its high enough to offer a near straight read off the sensor, but low enough for the CPU to process any small oversampling. However a 60+ MP resolution will start to create oversampling problems. And the rumors of a near 12k photo resolution sensor (80-90MP) just seem out of touch with the times and processing. We'll see though... lots of interesting tech being forecast in that body.

Tazz, you are right, I was not referring to the higher mp s models, I was specifically referring to the H crop 1D's and then the 1Dx's after the 1D's were morphed into one line. Never having used the 1Ds cameras I tend to forget they existed and after the 1dx's the higher mp 1D's went away all together. Thanks for bringing up the s cameras!

John