Best 85mm f/1.8 or f/2 lens, FF, any system

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The 85mm prime is often thought of strictly as a portrait lens, but it also offers a great field of view for walkaround. I came up with a FF film SLR and a wonderful 85mm f/2, which I used as an all purpose lens for years at a time, indoors and out. Digital photography has given me a lot of things my film years didn't give me (primarily garden macro and the EVF shooting experience) but it has never successfully replaced my 85mm walkaround thing. And the older I get, the more I miss it.

So please recommend me an 85mm that is NOT a super fast dedicated portrait lens, and a FF camera to put it on. Can be any system*, DSLR or mirrorless, camera and lens could be old or new-- I am perfectly willing to buy secondhand . I do have a tentative solution in mind, which I will share later. I wonder if anyone will suggest it? I just want to make sure I haven't missed a good option.

*Be aware that Sony is going to be a very hard sell.
 
The 85mm prime is often thought of strictly as a portrait lens, but it also offers a great field of view for walkaround. I came up with a FF film SLR and a wonderful 85mm f/2, which I used as an all purpose lens for years at a time, indoors and out. Digital photography has given me a lot of things my film years didn't give me (primarily garden macro and the EVF shooting experience) but it has never successfully replaced my 85mm walkaround thing. And the older I get, the more I miss it.

So please recommend me an 85mm that is NOT a super fast dedicated portrait lens, and a FF camera to put it on. Can be any system*, DSLR or mirrorless, camera and lens could be old or new-- I am perfectly willing to buy secondhand . I do have a tentative solution in mind, which I will share later. I wonder if anyone will suggest it? I just want to make sure I haven't missed a good option.

*Be aware that Sony is going to be a very hard sell.
I think you would be happy with any modern full frame mirrorless camera and 85mm lens by the same mfr.
 
The 85mm prime is often thought of strictly as a portrait lens, but it also offers a great field of view for walkaround. I came up with a FF film SLR and a wonderful 85mm f/2, which I used as an all purpose lens for years at a time, indoors and out. Digital photography has given me a lot of things my film years didn't give me (primarily garden macro and the EVF shooting experience) but it has never successfully replaced my 85mm walkaround thing. And the older I get, the more I miss it.

So please recommend me an 85mm that is NOT a super fast dedicated portrait lens, and a FF camera to put it on. Can be any system*, DSLR or mirrorless, camera and lens could be old or new-- I am perfectly willing to buy secondhand . I do have a tentative solution in mind, which I will share later. I wonder if anyone will suggest it? I just want to make sure I haven't missed a good option.

*Be aware that Sony is going to be a very hard sell.
Well, if we're talking slower 85mm lenses, I like my Canon EF 85mm 1.8 just fine. Stick it on any Canon DSLR or mirrorless full frame.

But I like my Pentax FA 85mm f2.8 soft too, so maybe I'm not to be trusted. That on a Pentax K-1ii.

I've also used an Olympus 45mm 1.8 on different M43 bodies, and it's a great bargain of a lens.

From what I understand 85mm primes are often excellent lenses across lots of manufacurers, so you can probably do quite will with most of them.
 
I have the 45mm f/1.8 for my E-M10 ii and it has never been my favorite lens for that camera. It is certainly good, but lacks a kind of "snap" I get with the 25mm f/1.8. Granted mine was secondhand, and it's ver possible I have an indifferent copy. I guess I have never been interested enough to pursue it. The 60mm macro and the 25mm seem to be my dream team for that camera. If I sink any more into MFT at this point, it would probably go to a tele zoom.

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If the 40mm Batis couldn't convince me ...
 
Best? Who can really know...

My suggestion:
  • Canon EF 85 f/1.8
As you say, 85mm is wonderful for more than just portraits.

Here are a few samples with it mounted on my Sony camera (it should work great on any camera):

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Nikon Z 85mm F1.8 with any of the better Z cameras, like Z6 II. Hard to beat. This said, I was even contempt with a GFX 85 and the Panasonic 42,5mm when I was using that system. Maybe the eye AF was not up to par with more recent cameras.
 
The 85mm prime is often thought of strictly as a portrait lens, but it also offers a great field of view for walkaround. I came up with a FF film SLR and a wonderful 85mm f/2, which I used as an all purpose lens for years at a time, indoors and out. Digital photography has given me a lot of things my film years didn't give me (primarily garden macro and the EVF shooting experience) but it has never successfully replaced my 85mm walkaround thing. And the older I get, the more I miss it.

So please recommend me an 85mm that is NOT a super fast dedicated portrait lens, and a FF camera to put it on. Can be any system*, DSLR or mirrorless, camera and lens could be old or new-- I am perfectly willing to buy secondhand . I do have a tentative solution in mind, which I will share later. I wonder if anyone will suggest it? I just want to make sure I haven't missed a good option.

*Be aware that Sony is going to be a very hard sell.
So, you're going to choose a camera system based on the 85/1.8 lens available for the system, because you want the 'best' lens. That seems a bit of an odd way to go about things, but it's your money, so you can do as you wish with it.

The point is that 85mm equivalent is undemanding in terms of lens design. Most manufacturers make them, and they are all very good. If you really want 'the best', then the new mirrorless systems have recently computed lenses which will be better than the 85/1.8's available for DSLRs, perhaps with the exception of the Tamron SP 85mm F/1.8 Di VC USD, which was a bit of an outlier in terms of spec for a new lens. If you want a DSLR, that's probably the lens to go for.

Canon has an excellent f/2 macro for the RF system, Nikon a fantastic f/1.8 for the Z system, Sony a very good f/1.8 with independent options available. You wouldn't go wrong with any of these.

In smaller formats, to do the job of the FF f/1.8 (which I presume is what you want) you'll need a 56/1.2 for APS-C and a 42.5/0.9 for mFT. The latter doesn't exist, so can be ruled out. Fujifilm does have a 56/1.2, which is excellent (and expensive). There is also the Sigma 56/1.4 (equivalent to f/2.1 on full frame), cheaper and extremely good.

As to which of these options is 'the best', who knows? What are your parameters for 'the best'? Even at this level of performance each lens has some aspects that are stronger than others. It depends on what you want.

And a final thought. A high resolution body makes a lens perform better than a low resolution one (particularly if it's a good lens), so you really should be thinking about lens/body combinations, not just the lens. If you're going for 'the best', then it comes down to which vendor has a high resolution body to go with its lens. It looks like the Canon R5 with the 85 f/2 macro or the Nikon Z7 (or Mk II) with the 85/1.8, or one of the Sony A7R versions with the one of the available 85/1.8s (probably the Zeiss Batis). Or if you go DSLR it's a matter of what to pair the Tamron with. You could go with a 5DS if you want Canon, or a D800, 810 or 850 for Nikon.

Overall, I would think that the best value 'best' would be a Nikon Z7 (mk I) with the Nikon 85/1.8. The R5 is pricey, as is the Batis, and the Z7 has been superseded by the Mk II so can be had for a good price.

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There's no arguing with those images. (My tablet has an amber filter that comes on at night and it gives your processing a fractionally warm tone that really works with your compositions-- sort of a vintage Kodak color print film tone.)

This lens was not on my radar particularly, so thank you.
 
I should perhaps have been clearer-- I am looking for a "streetable", lightweight lens with an old fashioned film feel-- lots of character and not overcorrected. Basically the opposite of those big fast smooth 85mm portrait lenses I am seeing everywhere. I was assuming it would be an older lens and not a fancy expensive new one. Kind of a "best cheap lens for student work" feel.

The camera, whatever I choose, will almost certainly be older too, and not necessarily a mirrorless. Shooting experience also factors in, but that's a separate issue. Regardless, this is a "one piece" project, camera and lens chosen to work together for one specific job. No plans to buy any more lenses in the system, though of course you should never say never.

I agree that an 85mm prime, particularly a slow one, is an undemanding design as these things go. It's that basic, "one step closer than a fifty" approach that I am looking for. That wonderful 85mm f/2 that I carried for so many years was a Pentax, but even then I knew I could have gotten a very similar lens from Nikon or Canon or Olympus. I think I just got lucky with my particular copy.

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I should perhaps have been clearer-- I am looking for a "streetable", lightweight lens with an old fashioned film feel-- lots of character and not overcorrected. I was assuming it would be an older lens and not a fancy expensive new one. The camera, whatever I choose, will almost certainly be older, and not necessarily a mirrorless. Shooting experience also factors in, but that's a separate issue. Regardless, this is a "one piece" project, camera and lens chosen to work together for one specific job. No plans to buy any more lenses in the system, though of course you should never say never.

I agree that an 85mm prime, particularly a slow one, is an undemanding design as these things go. It's that basic, "one step closer than a fifty" approach that I am looking for. That wonderful 85mm f/2 that I carried for so many years was a Pentax, but even then I knew I could have gotten a very similar lens from Nikon or Canon or Olympus. I think I just got lucky with my particular copy.
Why not get another copy of that Pentax lens ? You can adapt a Pentax screw or K mount lens to any mirrorless camera.

It's an easy focal length for manual focussing.

My equivalent of your favourite would be the 105mm Nikkor, and this works very well on FF mirrorless cameras.

Don
 
A new copy? Why would I need that? It's right here across the room from me, still on my K1000. I just never have liked manual focusing with any digital camera. The focusing screens are terrible and I find the focusing aids distracting. The flashing lights are bad and the insets are worse. These cameras are made for autofocus and I seem to be happier using them that way, other than a bit of beep-conformation tweaking with macro.
 
I should perhaps have been clearer-- I am looking for a "streetable", lightweight lens with an old fashioned film feel-- lots of character and not overcorrected. Basically the opposite of those big fast smooth 85mm portrait lenses I am seeing everywhere. I was assuming it would be an older lens and not a fancy expensive new one. Kind of a "best cheap lens for student work" feel.
So far as 'streetable' lenses are concerned, don't think that the mirrorless f/1.8 85's are 'big'. They are actually quite compact. They just look longer because there is an extra 20mm or so tacked onto the back, where the mirror isn't.
The camera, whatever I choose, will almost certainly be older too, and not necessarily a mirrorless. Shooting experience also factors in, but that's a separate issue. Regardless, this is a "one piece" project, camera and lens chosen to work together for one specific job. No plans to buy any more lenses in the system, though of course you should never say never.

I agree that an 85mm prime, particularly a slow one, is an undemanding design as these things go. It's that basic, "one step closer than a fifty" approach that I am looking for. That wonderful 85mm f/2 that I carried for so many years was a Pentax, but even then I knew I could have gotten a very similar lens from Nikon or Canon or Olympus. I think I just got lucky with my particular copy.
OK then, it's really a matter of your own taste, and it's impossible for people to advise you on that. If you want to go back to a real old classic manual lens, then I would recommend a mirrorless camera, because they make focussing an MF lens much easier than a DSLR, which by and large doesn't have a focussing screen designed for MF (though you can get after-market screens). Anything from the Nikon, Canon or Sony ranges would do. Maybe one option would be a Leica M mount Voigtlander 75/1.5 which is specially designed for the look you seem to be after. You can even get an AF adaptor which racks the whole lens in and out if you want AF. Personally, I'd go for it. As you get older and eyesight gets worse AF becomes more and more of a boon. Taking that into account, anything with an EF mount can adapt easily to all of the mirrorless mounts. If you go for the Canon 85/1.8, make sure that you get the later ones with an ultrasonic motor. Apart from that, it's a classic Sonnar design, so should do what you want. Or, instead of going for the 'best' modern lens, you could go for the 'worst'. Many of the low cost options will give the characteristics that you want. For instance the Yongnuo 85/1.8 behaves surprisingly like the old Canon, but is much less expensive. The Sony mount Yongnuo is probably not the lens for you, because that's a new mirrorless design, and performs better than you seem to want. The same is true of the Viltrox 85/1.8, which seems to be a pretty good lens, better than a Sony but not quite as good as the Nikon.
 
A new copy? Why would I need that? It's right here across the room from me, still on my K1000. I just never have liked manual focusing with any digital camera. The focusing screens are terrible and I find the focusing aids distracting. The flashing lights are bad and the insets are worse. These cameras are made for autofocus and I seem to be happier using them that way, other than a bit of beep-conformation tweaking with macro.
Go for a Yongnuo 85/1.8 on a Canon 6D. You'll get AF and the full classic lens experience without busting the bank.
 
I had already figured a 6D would be the camera if I went Canon. Will definitely take a look at the lens--I'm still not used to the Chinese lens makers having AF options.
 
The 85mm prime is often thought of strictly as a portrait lens, but it also offers a great field of view for walkaround. I came up with a FF film SLR and a wonderful 85mm f/2, which I used as an all purpose lens for years at a time, indoors and out. Digital photography has given me a lot of things my film years didn't give me (primarily garden macro and the EVF shooting experience) but it has never successfully replaced my 85mm walkaround thing. And the older I get, the more I miss it.

So please recommend me an 85mm that is NOT a super fast dedicated portrait lens, and a FF camera to put it on. Can be any system*, DSLR or mirrorless, camera and lens could be old or new-- I am perfectly willing to buy secondhand . I do have a tentative solution in mind, which I will share later. I wonder if anyone will suggest it? I just want to make sure I haven't missed a good option.

*Be aware that Sony is going to be a very hard sell.
I believe it is hard to find a bad 85 mm lens.

I have a m42 mount auto-Takumar 85/1.8 from early 1960s and it is excellent. It cost me about $50 10+ years ago, but it was before mirrorless cameras when vintage lenses was much cheaper.

I also have a recent design manual focus Viltrox 85/1.8 for Sony E-mount and it is also excellent, and I got it for about $200 new.

I'm sure there are better 85mm lenses, but for me it is not worth the extra cost.
 
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I had already figured a 6D would be the camera if I went Canon. Will definitely take a look at the lens--I'm still not used to the Chinese lens makers having AF options.
Your other camera options for an FF DSLR would be Nikon or Pentax. Pentax could be interesting because they do have some unusual lens choices. The 77/1.8 FA Ltd would be right up your street, I would guess. Nikon has an 85/1.8G which is perfectly decent and would work with a D610 (or Df if you really like the old world kitsch) and there is also a version of the Yongnuo for Nikon. But in the end a Canon body gives you the most options.
 
Pentax would be an obvious choice, since I have a KP and several FF lenses including the FA 43 Limited. But there's no real 85. Yes, there's the 77, which is a great lens, but that wouldn't give me anything much different than I am getting with my Fuji X- T2 and the 50mm f/2, which is smaller and lighter and offers a much more involving shooting experience.

Old world kitsch has its appeal, especially with D lenses with aperture rings.
 

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