RF 35 1.2 delayed until 2023!

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Seems Canon is really slow to flesh out their RF line-up of quality fast primes, I would have thought 35 1.2/1.4 was a priority but presumably people will continue with their legacy options and Canon are in no rush to fill this gap.

Does this mean Canon are instead refocusing on RF-S lenses and that R7/R10 and the vlogging segment is far more of a priority now over high end FF glass? Be interesting to see what's announced in Sept/Oct, hopefully something cool for RF-S line instead!
 
No it means that canon believe their L zooms adequately cover for most people and top line primes are not required until the R1 hits the shelves. So don’t hold your breath!
 
No it means that canon believe their L zooms adequately cover for most people and top line primes are not required until the R1 hits the shelves. So don’t hold your breath!
More like the EF 35mm f/1.4, which was newly released in 2015 (newer optical design than their old top-end 50mm and 85mm) is still plenty good (it is pretty good optically, apparently, and they still manufacture and sell it). The L-series f/2.8 zooms don't replace an f/1.4 prime. Even the f/2 28-70 doesn't really do that if you're making use of wide open on that prime, as good of a zoom as that lens might be.

Of course, then some people will use a zoom. But there are a few EF lenses that remain in Canon's "ultimate lineup": the 35mm f/1.4, the 11-24mm f/4, the 8-15mm f/4 fisheye, etc., plus the 14mm f/2.8 (although this I think is easily bested by the Sigma 14mm f/1.8, available in EF too), 24mm f/1.4 (not replaced by the much cheaper f/1.8), 135mm f/2 (Sigma 135mm f/1.8 is better, though), 300mm f/2.8, the TS lenses, etc... The transition to RF is not complete, although they have many solid offerings.

It's not like there was some sort of clean break between EF and RF. Canon has always been taking it gradually, but the expectation was always that customers would continue to use/buy the EF lenses that haven't been replaced yet (and this has largely been the case).

In the end, of course, the RF transition will eventually be complete, at which point they will expect customers buying new lenses to buy only RF lenses (though EF lenses will obviously still exist especially on the used market and they'll continue to work).
 
No it means that canon believe their L zooms adequately cover for most people and top line primes are not required until the R1 hits the shelves. So don’t hold your breath!
I think the momentum has shifted to capturing lost ground to Sony and Nikon vlog options, Canon have abandoned EF-M and they need to occupy smaller/compact vlog space 👍

My prediction is RF-S 11-22 is imminent possibly the 22mm pancake too both announced with the new R100 or something like that 😀

You could be right 20/35/135 will all come later with a new very high res FF body
 
No it means that canon believe their L zooms adequately cover for most people and top line primes are not required until the R1 hits the shelves. So don’t hold your breath!
I think the momentum has shifted to capturing lost ground to Sony and Nikon vlog options, Canon have abandoned EF-M and they need to occupy smaller/compact vlog space 👍

My prediction is RF-S 11-22 is imminent possibly the 22mm pancake too both announced with the new R100 or something like that 😀

You could be right 20/35/135 will all come later with a new very high res FF body
The RF-S lenses will probably be at least somewhat rehashes of the EF-M lenses. The RF-S 18-150 has the same optical design as its EF-M predecessor... it's a minor change in the cases where the design can be adapted.

There are of course all the existing EF-S lenses, but those aren't quite as compact, and people want compact lenses. Still, the small vlogging lens segment of the market will need to be balanced with those of us who love giant and heavy fast primes. ;)
 
you have to realize that millions of EF "L" lenses are still out there and they work perfectly with canon MLCs - count me as one of them :-)
 
I guess that developing a 35mm f/1.2 AF smaller than the Sigma version is way more difficult. The Laowa 35mm f/0.95 (fullframe) is a miracle by itself with some caveats.
 
Well the EF 35mm f/1.4 II is such a fantastic lens I can understand why it wouldn’t be at the top of the priority list for replacement.
Exactly. RF 35mm prime is the least needed fast prime lens for RF mount.
 
Well the EF 35mm f/1.4 II is such a fantastic lens I can understand why it wouldn’t be at the top of the priority list for replacement.
Exactly. RF 35mm prime is the least needed fast prime lens for RF mount.
Need is one thing but want is another, the demand for a fast 35mm prime on RF seems to be very high despite the existence of the EF 35mm f1.4 L
 
Well the EF 35mm f/1.4 II is such a fantastic lens I can understand why it wouldn’t be at the top of the priority list for replacement.
An RF 35mm f/1.4 might simply not sell that well, especially at a typical Canon price tag.

Most pro's might simply keep the EF 35mm f/1.4 II until it breaks. Pixel peeping amateurs will be happy with the 40mm Art. There's also a Tamron 35mm f/1.4 being a very good lens. The Sigma 28mm f/1.4 Art might a competitor too. If you need f/1.4 on a budget there's the 35mm f/1.4 Art. If you don't mind MF there's the Samyang 35mm f/1.2 with focus assist + eye recognition. Traveling amateurs will prefer the RF 35mm f/1.8 IS stm.

Oh, and 35mm is a too much compromised focal length anyway. (o.k., that's just my opinion.)
 
Well the EF 35mm f/1.4 II is such a fantastic lens I can understand why it wouldn’t be at the top of the priority list for replacement.
Correct.

Given how expensive RF L primes are, I can not see how an RF 35 1.4L can top the EF version II in what pertains to price-to-performance ratio.

The EF version will, in all probability, be the last remaining EF lens in my line-up for a long, long time.

PK
 
Pixel peeping amateurs will be happy with the 40mm Art. There's also a Tamron 35mm f/1.4 being a very good lens. The Sigma 28mm f/1.4 Art might a competitor too. If you need f/1.4 on a budget there's the 35mm f/1.4 Art.
The Sigma 35mm f/1.4 remains a good option, but the Sigma 40mm f/1.4 should really please anyone ... who wants 40 instead of 35. Especially with the recent price drops. Of course, those aren't the same FOV, though 28/40 maybe makes some sense as a pairing to replace 35 depending on one's style.

For actual 35, Canon still seems king of the hill *on EF/RF --- the new Sigmas or Sony may beat them* but they didn't need to rush. The new 35 can't possibly be as big of an upgrade as the RF 50 f/1.2 and 85 f/1.2 were... Because the predecessor is already very good. But there will definitely be the inter-system competition aspect. The RF 85 is good enough to get someone to switch to Canon for it, and the 35s available elsewhere probably prevent the 35 from being the lens that gets someone to switch.

But hey, if they can put together something that exceeds my expectations, hats off!
 
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Well the EF 35mm f/1.4 II is such a fantastic lens I can understand why it wouldn’t be at the top of the priority list for replacement.
Exactly. RF 35mm prime is the least needed fast prime lens for RF mount.
Need is one thing but want is another, the demand for a fast 35mm prime on RF seems to be very high despite the existence of the EF 35mm f1.4 L
As already correctly mentioned above, current 35/1.4 is absolutely superb lens.
Something I just was reminded of makes this make even more sense. The EF 35mm f/1.4 was the first Canon lens to include BR optics (https://m.dpreview.com/articles/953...-f1-4l-ii-usm-blue-spectrum-refractive-optics), which they brought to the 50mm and 85mm with the RF versions. It makes more sense when you think of it as the first BR lens rather than one of the last EF lenses.

Of course, they still came out with an immediate RF successor to the 400mm f/2.8 and 600mm f/4, even though those just straight-up copied the EF lenses. But RF at least brought those lenses better IS coordination. The 35mm is IBIS all the way either way at most, like all the fast primes. And as has often been said, telephotos benefit the least from mirrorless. The next 35mm will obviously not be a rehash of the EF like the 400mm was, so it'll be left to the end of the cycle.

I wonder if they will announce it alongside the 135mm to change the numerically confuzzled!
 
Does this mean Canon are instead refocusing on RF-S lenses and that R7/R10
Just until a few months ago, we were being told that Canon would never bring APSC to RF mount because they are too focused to protect their FF lineup. Seems now the pendulum has swung the other way of speculation
 
Does this mean Canon are instead refocusing on RF-S lenses and that R7/R10
Just until a few months ago, we were being told that Canon would never bring APSC to RF mount because they are too focused to protect their FF lineup. Seems now the pendulum has swung the other way of speculation
:-)

 
Well the EF 35mm f/1.4 II is such a fantastic lens I can understand why it wouldn’t be at the top of the priority list for replacement.
Exactly. RF 35mm prime is the least needed fast prime lens for RF mount.
Need is one thing but want is another, the demand for a fast 35mm prime on RF seems to be very high despite the existence of the EF 35mm f1.4 L
As already correctly mentioned above, current 35/1.4 is absolutely superb lens. Those who desire it most probably already have it. And those who desire it but do not have it, most probably do not have it because it is not quite cheap lens. So for sure they will not buy even more expensive RF version which will not bring much on the top of the already excellent EF.
Well, I *want* a fast 35mm L prime and, even if I do not have one now (I had the mkI of the EF 35mm f/1.4L but sold it once I bought the R5 because I tried it on the R5 and did not like the results), I am not willing to spend money on a EF 35mm f/1.4L mkII since it's not that inexpensive and I know I'd end up selling it at a loss once the RF would be on the market.

I am not sure of how many users like me are out there (I mean users who want a RF fast 35mm L prime and are not willing to buy the non-L RF prime or the EF L mkII prime), but there must be some and so I'd be wary of generalizations.
There are much bigger gaps in RF lineup than duplitating existing great 35mm lens.
Most holes in the current RF lens lineup would be duplicating some existing EF lens, great or not. The priority of filling each different hole is a matter of subjective judgement. I *want* a fast 35mm and a fast 135mm and a couple of ultrawides, ideally TS, L primes. These would me my desired priorities, in that order. I am not assuming that these sentiments are shared by the majority of other RF users.

And don't get me wrong, I agree that the EF 35mm f/1.4L mkII is great. But while it still works perfectly, from my perspective it belongs to an obsolete mount, so, I repeat, at this point I am not interested in spending money on EF lenses.

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Looking at it from you individual perspective only you will never understand what I write about.

Regarding EF mount obsolence: it will become obsolent if one of the following happens:

- EF lenses will stop working on R bodies due to the firmware blocking them. This will not happen in close 10 years, Canon would kill himself by it

- RF lens lineup will comoletely cover the EF lens lineup. This will take looong years to fill all the current gaps

Although there most likely will not be any new EF mount lenses, in general EF mount stays very current and living amongst photographers from many reasons. And this for sure will not change in close 5 years at minimum.
 
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Looking at it from you individual perspective only you will never understand what I write about.

Regarding EF mount obsolence: it will become obsolent if one of the following happens:

- EF lenses will stop working on R bodies due to the firmware blocking them. This will not happen in close 10 years, Canon would kill himself by it

- RF lens lineup will comoletely cover the EF lens lineup. This will take looong years to fill all the current gaps

Although there most likely will not be any new EF mount lenses, in general EF mount stays very current and living amongst photographers from many reasons. And this for sure will not change in close 5 years at minimum.
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...35/1.4 is absolutely superb lens. Those who desire it most probably already have it. And those who desire it but do not have it, most probably do not have it because it is not quite cheap lens. So for sure they will not buy even more expensive RF version...
I was just rebutting that I am in fact someone who desires a fast 35mm L prime but do not have the EF version, even if I can afford that one or the future RF one... and for sure I will buy the future RF 35mm L when it will be available.

The definition of "obsolete" is: "no longer produced or used; out of date". So in a strict sense you are right: it is not correct to call the EF mount obsolete, since it is still used for sure (we don't actually know whether Canon is still manufacturing new EF cameras and lenses, or they are simply selling off the stock they have).

But it is clear to me that Canon is not going to invest anything into EF (and probably into M as well) and that the future for them is RF. So yes, it will take years, but EF will decline and, sooner or later, become obsolete.
 

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